Anyone have a Schroth harness? I want one for my 97...

 

I've used a Rallye3 for about 2 years now. Easy, simple, and effective. Barry Chafin had the same and gave me similar advice. Our stock seats still don't give good side bolstering and let you really feel the car. But the harness does help.

Oh, and love the quick-release snap. I tuck the rear part of the belt in between the rear seat cushions, and the front piece slides right under the driver seat from the back. Unless you look hard you'd never know the car has a harness in daily driving.

 

thanks, just what I wanted to hear. I saw Barry's car on Courtesy's site, althought it looks like it hasn't been updated in a while.

 

I really love the Corbeau harness I have. I have not used it for auto-xing because I haven't gone to any events yet this season. It is quick realease and even quick enough putting together for daily driving.

 

If you're active in auto X or HPDE, then I highly recommend getting one. I'd also recommend staying away from the 2" wide belts. I've got an AutoPro one now that's 3" wide and it's MUCH more comfortable. the 2" wide corbeau belt dug into my shoulders and I always had bruises on my collarbone from the belts after a day of racing.

 

Where did you mount the belts to the rear seat? At the center lap belt bolts?

 

hey matt, how did you mount the harness with the automatic seat belts

 

do you need a harness bar for these? i hear that if you do a straight bolt down to the rear seatbelt anchors, you can kill yourself. but dont know about schroths. they have that antisubmarine or whatevers. does that prevent the belt from killing the driver if pulled down on?

 

Any seatbelt can kill you. If mounted correctly(90-45 degree angle to horizontal then you have a lesser chance of compresing your spine. An anti-sub strap doesn't not reduce this risk at all. This is only one more strap to hold you in place when stopping abruptly(crash or extreme braking). I don't have mine mounted correctly but I am willing to take that risk. Its all about how carefully you drive. During racing sessions I will definitely take mine off their current positions and attach them to the rear mounting points. I'm not sure of the angle on this but it is probably flirting on the 45 degree line.

 

so where do you mount them for daily driving? or do you use them at all?

 

I have the lap belt mounted to the rail and the shoulder straps bolted into the seat bucket itself. Yes, I know this is not safe because it is fiberglass but I have made a big effort to distibute the forces applied at the bolts using 4" washers and 1/16" sheet metal on the inside of the seat. I bent the metal to the shape of the seat and then bolted through it. So the pressure is distributed over nearly 2 sq. ft of sheet metal. Here's how I have it set up: Bolt, 4" washer, 1/16" sheet metal, 1/2" of fiberglass, 4 4" washers, harness bracket/connector thing, 1" washer, bolt. I used all hardened stainles grade 9 hardware. It will definitely rip out of the fiberglass before the bolt breaks. Yes, this is what I wear every time I drive. I removed the stock unit because the retractor was on its way out and the entire assembly weighs over 6Ibs. The harness can get kinda annoying when the girl is in the road-head mood but during normal driving it gives the engine a good 30 seconds to warm up before I mash the pedal on the far right.

 

Since I hardly ever have passengers in my car, I simply attached mine to the rear seat belt mounts in back. for the lap belt, there were some holes drilled in the seat rails on my Corbeau seats and I used those.

the factory belts are still 100% intact and I use them for daily driving. I only use the harnesses when I'm at auto X or track, and simply clip the factory shoulder belt off at the window and toss it behind me.


a Harness bar isn't needed DEPENDING on the typeyou get. there are some with mounting tabs on the ends so they'll bolt to the floor.. others you'll need a harness bar to attach.

 

so it is okay to mount it directly to the rear seat belt anchors.
i see some of you are using the stock seats. can the effectiveness be felt with the harnesses in these even though it does not have good side bolsterings? is it enough to just get by?

 

For daily driving it will be a PITA to have the harness tight enough to hold you in the stock seat. Racing is a different story. If you take to time to properly strap in before a race it will significantly increase your stability over the stock belt. But if your keeping the stock seat I'm of the opinion that you might as well save the $100 for the harness and use the power belting method. Having a seat and not a harness on the other hand is a different story. My seat is actually a race bucket and therefore has more side support(hip specifically) than even a reclining racing seat. Because it doesn't have to recline a triangle is formed from bottom to back. Fit is also very important. I happen to fit perfectly in the seat I have. I can get in an out easily but it is still a nice snug fit. The fabric helps to grip also. So if I'm riding without the harness on(rarely) I am still very stable in my seat. I can do a hard corner or a 90-0 stop and not move much at all. When I have it on if I had the harness even more firmly tightened I'd be even more stable but as I said for daily driving I have it very loose. Normally I can pull the cam away from my stomach nearly 2 inches. So in this situation I rarely put full body weight on the strapping.