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Old Mar 9, 2006 | 10:36 PM
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I've been ax-ing for about a year and have been using some crash bolts I picked up at NAPA, maxed out I get about 1.5 degrees negative and they do wonders for max-grip cornering. This is illegal in stock class, but since I run on street tires and generally suck pretty bad, nobody cares. My question is this: Does Nissan authorize a camber bolt that would be stock class legal? According to stock class rules, if Nissan authorizes the use of a specific part number for non-competition purposes, it can be used in stock class. I'm looking at taking some more evolution school and trying to get good, and I'm sure if the answer is out there somebody here will know. THANKS
Old Mar 10, 2006 | 12:27 PM
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I doubt there are camber bolts available from Nissan....never heard of them...
Old Mar 10, 2006 | 05:01 PM
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It depends if Nissan list a "crash" or adjustable camber bolt in the Factory service manual to correct camber it is legal in stock class. I have never searched the Maxima FSM, They are listed in Toyotas FSM for the MR2 that's one of the reasons 2nd gen MR2s rock ES at a national level. Be prepared with a FSM if you plan on running them above a local level.
Old Mar 10, 2006 | 05:51 PM
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Z32 drifter, are those the enkei rpf1 9" width or 9.5" width rims? also how well do those 275/40's fit during autoXing? any fender rubbing or suspension rubbing?
Old Mar 10, 2006 | 06:20 PM
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The 5th gen FSM makes no mention of camber or crash bolts.....only mention of camber is to 'replace parts with new ones' if it's out of spec...
Old Mar 10, 2006 | 10:17 PM
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Thanks for the info, how much does the manual cost, of is it available online somewhere?
Old Mar 11, 2006 | 07:26 AM
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I'm not seeing any mention in the A32 stuff I have either. I would think stock springs (roll) and lack of RSB (underst) would be a bigger problem in stock classes than the camber for the Max. That was my original reason for going to Street Touring.
Old Mar 11, 2006 | 08:55 AM
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Z32 drifter, are those the enkei rpf1 9" width or 9.5" width rims? also how well do those 275/40's fit during autoXing? any fender rubbing or suspension rubbing?
I've never autoX'd the 255/275 setup. I'm sure that the understeer would be stupid. 17x8.5 +40 with 255/40 front and 17x9.5 +38 275/40 rear. The setup does not rub ...except 100+mph thru deep dips, the rears hit the fender edge when compressed to the bump stops. My track setup for both the Z and Max is a 17x9 +34 with 255/40 "R" compounds. The rears will hit the inner edge of the fenders just a little (rolling the inner edge would correct) The Z32 is my normal "track" car, I took the Maxima to an event last year just to see how it would do. I was surprised I ended up 2nd in DSP, the car went about 2sec faster than I thought it would...lol.
Old Mar 14, 2006 | 05:20 AM
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Stock springs and no rsb contribute, the idea is that your outside front tire goes into positive camber as roll angles increase, while the rear stays at about zero camber. It's really a fundamental flaw with the chassis, makes for a great handling street car, but sucks in stock class ax. I am among the few on this org who does not believe in the rsb, partly because I can't use one in stock, but mostly because it doesn't seem to do much other than make you look like a vw going 3-legged through the corners. A few months ago I ran an ax with 2 identical sentras, one had an rsb and the ither didn't, I shot picks at the highest grip corner from behind and noticed they both lifted the inside rear, the non rsb car about an inch, the rsb nearly six. If anyone wants to see I'll try and post them. On our cars and most with similar suspension, the rear is doing as much cornering work as it can, the best solution is stiffer springs, I may try putting together a fsb this summer and see if it helps, it will keep the front end from getting so far up its camber curve, and will likely improve the grip. I'll keep updates on the org.
Old Mar 14, 2006 | 08:51 AM
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Originally Posted by 96gxe5spd
I am among the few on this org who does not believe in the rsb, partly because I can't use one in stock, but mostly because it doesn't seem to do much other than make you look like a vw going 3-legged through the corners. A few months ago I ran an ax with 2 identical sentras, one had an rsb and the ither didn't, I shot picks at the highest grip corner from behind and noticed they both lifted the inside rear, the non rsb car about an inch, the rsb nearly six. If anyone wants to see I'll try and post them. On our cars and most with similar suspension, the rear is doing as much cornering work as it can, the best solution is stiffer springs, I may try putting together a fsb this summer and see if it helps, it will keep the front end from getting so far up its camber curve, and will likely improve the grip. I'll keep updates on the org.
There are many people who have noticed this and have uninstalled or not bought a RSB for this reason. The rear beam is meant to be flexible in order to keep both tired on the ground. On stock springs the spring will have enough give to do this, but with an aftermarket setup the beam with just 3 wheel it everywhere.

I have never understood why you would want to modify your car according to someone elses limitations. A stock Maxima is also not going to handle an autocross very well.
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the purpose of me having the rsb is the ability to further/finner tune handling characteristics...not to make the rear handle better...ie. having an adjustable one such as the stillen has allowed me to dial in more oversteer...and I don't get any rear wheel lift with my coilovers...the trick is to have stiff enough spring rates such that the other side isn't allowed to compress enough to allow the other side to come up off the ground...
Old Mar 14, 2006 | 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by mccwebdesign
the purpose of me having the rsb is the ability to further/finner tune handling characteristics...not to make the rear handle better...ie. having an adjustable one such as the stillen has allowed me to dial in more oversteer...and I don't get any rear wheel lift with my coilovers...the trick is to have stiff enough spring rates such that the other side isn't allowed to compress enough to allow the other side to come up off the ground...
Beautifully worded. I get no rear wheel lift either with my coilovers and I'm running the stiffest RSB I've found & no FSB (though it's going back on soon).

Back on topic, a beefier FSB should help in stock class with postive camber gain due to the roll - though at the sacrifice of understeer.
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Originally Posted by BEJAY1
Beautifully worded. I get no rear wheel lift either with my coilovers and I'm running the stiffest RSB I've found & no FSB (though it's going back on soon).

Back on topic, a beefier FSB should help in stock class with postive camber gain due to the roll - though at the sacrifice of understeer.
I've only lifted the rear wheel once that I'm aware of, and it was "just barely"....the RSB only causes lift in the rear wheel if your front end is super-soft/super-"rolly"....with the LTB and illuminas/maxspeeds (not really very stiff) and lower offset wheels, the car really doesn't roll enough to lift a rear wheel
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I have a couple of thoughts ..... are you sure that the car is gaining + camber at stock ride height??? I was only aware of this issue when the car has been lower beyond the proper control arm angles, normally factory design allows - camber increase with roll/suspension travel on stock setups?? As for 3 wheel'n I have taken the Max to 2 events. 1st the car was on stock suspension with sticky street tires on my stock Z32 wheels... the car lifted the inside rear 6"+ on the steady state turns. 2nd car was on S-techs and AGXs it lifted the inside wheel just enough to lock under braking (see picture.. same corner as the big lift when stock)
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