bryanakaslim

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So i have a 02 max auto
Sri
Nwp bop & spacers
Obx headers
2.5 test pipe
And cattman 3"
Tranzgo hd2 kit
Haltech p&p from surratt
237 hp &235 torque all wheel drive mustang dyno
Tuned there wus only 10 more max hp but in my mid range there wus like 25 hp all & all im happy

ajcool2

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Is their dyno 100 hp off and do you have a before and after graph?

bryanakaslim

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Lol I just noticed that no I'm 100 off lol

ranmas2004

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Thats why I hate mustang dynos. They can be fixed to read so many different ways. Not one is the same. But all dynojets read the same.....even if people say they are high, from one dyno jet to the other should read the same. Anyway who cares about the 10whp peak you made...look at the area under the curve you gained...that is what you will feel.

datdude20

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well atleast its tuned....thats the most important part...now take it to the track

nishfish871

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ics: Graphs?

bryanakaslim

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I did but they flew out the window

SurraTT

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would be nice to see a before and after tuned graph atleast. Obviously the #'s arent comparable to a different dyno.


If there is a dynojet close to you go there just for a few pulls!

7speed

Way to go. I bet it drives like a beast.

Rods03Max619

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Nice numbers, cant wait to get tuned soon, going to do another dyno with a new intake setup and a 3" TP, see what that gains me.....

Unklejoe

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not bad for an auto esp on a mustang dyno.

whats your ignition timing map look like?

bryanakaslim

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So here are my failed attempt at 13's
R/t .176
60' 2.182
330. 5.994
1/8 9.138
Mph. 77.76
1000 11.880
1/4. 14.199
Mph 97.39
Passenger CV axle went bad on the next run

Unklejoe

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Hmm I was expecting a slightly better trap speed.

Do you have any AFR graphs and timing curves?

datdude20

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maybe that 237 whp is correct

Cant_Get_Ryte

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Time to get on with a 3.5 intake setup and a 3 inch test pipe. youll thank me later. Also look at gutting the elbow. with those i picked up 10-15 at 7krpm and 3peak.

bryanakaslim

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Cool thanks

FastnFuriousMax

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Why go with a haltech? A $150 afc would have given you close if not the same results...

036mtmax

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^^^ Yep

SurraTT

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lol, we know something is up with the dyno numbers.



He gained 10 peak hp and 25 mid range from tuning alone. That's tuning more then just fuel like a AFC can somewhat do.

Grand_hustle17

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... seriously.... man this is tragic lol.. my 02 auto with only SRI, OBX unequal length and a 2.5" crush bent catback dynoed 238/231 and tracked about the same MPH .... no tuning device to even tune the car

even more... with his mods.. I got more without a tune and less mods

Rods03Max619

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Did he ever get tge graph again for the Dyno....

036mtmax

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Me too, My old car made 248/247 without headers and a tune on a Mustang Dyno. Dyno #'s vary so much though from dyno to dyno it's crazy. My DE K did 328/305 on one mustang dyno then went to another MD 6 months later for a dyno day and made 289/270 ??? Car was running exactly the same. OP may have just hit a low reading dyno by chance.

ranmas2004

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Yall guys have to remember its not just about that peak number. Its about area under the curve. You guys talking about and AFC would have did that. NO it would not have given him that huge increase in midrange due to the IVT being able to be adjusted AND the ignition timing which is huge. Also we all know every mustang dyno is different from ANOTHER mustang dyno. It may have not even be setup right. Its more than just PEAK numbers....I bet his car drives ALOT better than ANY car with a tuned AFC due to the way the haltech controls the car.

036mtmax

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^^^ Agreed about the dyno's and being able to control IVT's. The area under the curve does matter most but i have been witness to an 02 crack close to 300whp with an L-Spec reflash and A/F tune.

Grand_hustle17

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if ur peak numbers are significantly lower with a tune and you have more mods, what help is area under curve?

SurraTT

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then its obvious something is up with the dyno #'s


thats why his first dyno pull vs his last with tuning shows the gains that came from tuning alone. Gains are gains either on a low or high reading dyno.

Grand_hustle17

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I agree something is up with the dyno #'s.... he needs to find another shop

FastnFuriousMax

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Yes a gain is a gain and he only gained 10whp. Area under the curve is nice and all but HP wins races.

$1600 for a pnp haltech + dyno time + install time...that has got to be almost 2 grand...I am just saying plenty of 3.5s put down significantly more with a cheap AFC and have larger gains than 10whp.

If he is happy with how his money was spent that is all that matters.

036mtmax

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^^^ True.. As much as i want to get the most out of a tune when you compare the jump in price from an AFC to a Haltech IMO it isn't worth it. If it were an 800 hp supra ok i can see that but a Maxima..Really ?? To each there own i guess and im not bashing anyone with a Haltech but let's face it to run a standalone that costs a quarter of the book value if not more of most of our cars is crazy. We need someone to be able to flash our ECU's again like TS use to. A reflash and an AFC works perfect.

FastnFuriousMax

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Haltech is needed if you want to push the engine to the edge as it is the only choice we have really other than a afc.

If you have full bolt ons, head work to rev out to 8k, and cams it is worth it imo. No cams + extedned rev limiter then it doesn't make sense to me.

Looking back on things just throwing a turbo on is the best bang for your buck. NA is silly expensive compared to FI. Never again will I make that mistake.

datdude20

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i doubt it...1/4 mile times match the power he made. he dynoed 237 and ran a 14.3 @ 97mph on his 18s. If he was to switch to some 16s he could get a higher trap and better time but im certain it was nothing wrong with the dyno. Maybe he needs to find a better tuner.

SurraTT

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Thats right, Haltech is for getting the MOST you possibly can out of the motor.

Just throwing a turbo on? That's where a Haltech is even more important imo.






All can complain about the price of a Haltech system. Before me there was no Maxima Haltech system. Not only did I make the system work, I got the price down from $2000 (unit and harness) to $1665. And I actually have a huge announcement coming about pricing soon!

What more can I do for a car community that wants to mod their car, complains about not having support in the parts world, but when parts do come even ad a discount they still complain? I think its safe to say ive done a ton of stuff for the Maxima community.


If I was doing Honda stuff my business would be 100000x more


Sorry for the rant/clutter in op's thread

datdude20

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you are missing the point. all he is simply saying is for the numbers he put down and how simple his "build" was he couldve simply just went with a AFC.

N/a wise i think the newer VQ's (07 and up) will benifit more from the HALTECH. Unless you are boosted

FastnFuriousMax

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No one is attacking you or what you have done for the maxima community. Haltech is great and I was going to buy one before I chose a different platform.

In this case my point is an AFC would have been more appropriate given the relatively light NA mods. I don't hear anyone complaining about the price.

I only mentioned FI as I never will try an make a NA non V8 fast. The cash it costs is just silly. You can tune a turbo with an AFC no?

SurraTT

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For 234 hp stock ecu woudl be fine lol. Its the dyno numbers that arent right. Thats why i said a Haltech wont give you the gains that he had.



The only difference is the newer motors will make a little more power. The older motor still will have good gains when tuned properly. Including Intake cam timing and all!



Yeah i know, i was just saying in general terms how the Maxima community is.


Yeah its not a lot of mods but never know if hes planning to do a 09 swap or something.


Yeah N/A cost a lot more for what you get out of it. But its just that what you want to get out of it. Personally I dont want a boosted 400+ FWD Car. Id rather have 300 n/a




If the op ever gets on a dyno jet maybe we can actually find out whats going on.

ShocknAwe

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Surely those numbers are wrong or your tuner needs to find another job asap. Half of those mods and an AEM FIC and you would yield more HP than that. Perhaps it is just the dyno but a mustang usually is not THAT far off

036mtmax

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bryanakaslim

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Well I have not been on here for a good while but since they're so much discussion on why I went to heltech instead of an air to fuel ratio my motor has 180,000 miles on it with heltech i can go either full blown built motor or 09 HR style when I bought the system because I easily had the money for it ... Now as far as my 14.1 I've dug through here dug through here and have not seen an all motor automatic break into the 13's with a Slip considering how heavy my car is do too Dynamatted doors and full dynamatted truck

Rods03Max619

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180,000 miles any oil burning, Im at 165,000 already looking for a newer one with low mileage but hoping my engine will roll till 185k,I will be Dyno Tuning also by the end of the month on a Mustang Dyno then going back to a Dynojet mid Feb. Or late Feb...

FastnFuriousMax

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Uhhh a 6th gen ran 12s all motor...

blubyu2k2 has hit high-13's all motor on street tires in his 5th gen. On slicks he would have been in the mid 13s.

onesexyleo ran 13.6 with a 2.5'' exhaust.

punjabi hit 13.7 on street tires
http://s225.beta.photobucket.com/use...22pm2.jpg.html

I am sure there are plenty more.



FYI adding weight and staying NA makes 0 sense. NA is way more of an expensive route to go than FI. You should be stripping weight not adding it if you are NA. Adding weight is like tying an anchor to your subframe.

If you want to go fast buy my 6 spd swap. guarantee you will gain HP and be in the 13s.