And in fact Accord V6's are SOOO fast that they will burn ALL 3rd GEN MAXIMA'S!!!!

http://www.v6accord.com/forums/showt...threadid=10013

I've been trying for the last couple of days to get some of these guys to see the light. I've been successful, but one guy, hondav6 is about as blind as they come. He believes that because the "mag times" for Accord V6's and Max's are about equal, that there is no way Maxima's are faster.

Umm...okay

Anyways, all resources have been exhausted here, but if any of you guys would like to go over and have some fun then I'm not going to stop you. I'll just sit back and enjoy the show

 

I don't know about the other gen, but a 5spd 4th gen Maxima is clearly faster than the Accord V6. I think the Accord V6 is better competition for an auto 4th gen Maxima. Still, I think even an auto 4th gen Maxima is faster than an Accord V6. And I know this first hand because my sister has a '00 Accord V6.

 

you had me worried there for a second!

 

Oh yay, another cross-board war.

 

I doubt it. In the great Acura vs Maxima debate there is no clear victor. This one is a little simpler.

 

Really. At least both are in similar classes, unlike the delusional 5th gen vs. CL/TLs which isn't a valid comparison.


BTW, I appreciate your help with the writeup, etc. on the tranny cooler install for the V6 Accords. Since the 99TL tranny = Accord V6 tranny = sorryass tranny, I installed the Hayden 676 Cooler on dad's TL. It's amazing what you can learn by not posting and just reading, researching, and listening.

 

My sister has a '95 GXE Automatic Maxima. Her best friend had a '00 red Accord Coupe V6. They used to race all the time..from a stop, around town, on the highway...the Maxima would win EACH time. Not by much, only a couple car lengths at most, but it still pulled and would probubly walk the Accord if they took it up to serious speeds. A 5spd 4th Gen? Please. What a waste of gas that would be for the Max.

Don't get me wrong I love the way the '00+ Accord Coupe V6 sport looks with their dual exhausts and sleek styling...I even like them better then most stock maxima's...but they are still a tick slower then Maxima's.

 

I've run my friends v6accord many times, with my intake and his dual greddy/ cai, he'd hang off the line but I'd slowly walk him to about 3 lengths by 80....

Since then I've bought my own greddy/ y pipe....... lets just say that I can't read his front license plate very well by 80 anymore

 

sorry I just can't pass that one up

 

This is the sad but sorry truth. That really did happen to me in my Accord V6 and I didn't just make it up. I had an intake then too

But I've learned, and it's all good when you can laugh about it later

 

Way to rep the max community, you're doing it very maturely so far too (but I've only read through 2 pages of posts, hehe)

 

someone explain this to me
someoen at v6accord.com kept on saying maxima & accord are not in the same class, but people at acura-cl.com kept on saying maxima & cl or tl are not in the same class, b/c we should be in the same class with accords?
anyways, I guess we all just love our cars a lil bit too much

 

news flash: not competition for the auto 4th gen either

Hey, Deezo...remember that time...?

I also have beaten a few others since that time.

 

My friend got sponsored in part by Greddy in Irvine, Ca. His 00 Accord V6 was fitted with their set of headers to go with his Apex'i WS exhaust and AEM intake. When they dynoed, they pulled 188 HP to the wheels. I was pretty impressed. My 5-speed definitely kills his auto. We are both convinced that an auto Max and auto Accord V6 should be pretty close, but the tranny on the Accord is too slow in the shifting and poor in the ratios.

 

As a former AV6 owner up until a few months and former desciple of AV6.com. I did my best effort to set them straight on the virtues of VQ.

 

I got bored so I attempted to defend the 3rd gens

 

Interesting e-mail that I just received:




For some reason, when it's a pro Cracura post I don't get these......I guess it's my e-mail that's the problem as I'm sure I would consistently receive these complaints from the same member on every ubiquitous Honda vs. Nissan post, regardless of whether it made the Nissan look better or the Honda look better....

 

Those guys were picking on Aaron's 16.7 1/4 mile time. But with just y pipe, pullies, and cheap intake he ran a 15.4 1/4. I have a 92 5 speed, I ran a 16.1 and couldn't even launch the car right (it was my first time, I had wheel spin really bad through a lot of first gear). So are they excited by the fact that Honda is finally up to par with what Nissan was doing 10 years ago?

 

U are a complete **** Bill.

Isn't there a reason to post those for privacy?


KMFA

 

http://forums.maxima.org/showthread.php?threadid=135568

 

 

its funny, i lost to a 4cylinder accord 5spd but i can whip a V6 accord auto

 

Russ,

I don't necessarily disagree with you, but I would take your grievance more seriously if you consistently asked that Nissan vs. Honda posts be removed from here. Since you actively participate in some that make the Cracura look better, I just found the hypocrisy alarming.





I was just making a point. Plus, nothing about it was surprising. I'm sure most here that are on here regularly figured you would complain about it anyway since a Maxima is beating a "precious" Honda.


Calm down. Don't get so worked up over this. It isn't that big of a deal.

 

What I cant understand, is that I dont spend any time on any CrapCura forum.Yet this RUSS freak spends so much time here trying to validate his Hunduh product ...WTF ?? ..

As far as the V6 Accord is concerned, bring them on !

 

I don't think it's really that important. Maximas have alot of flaws, and happy Max owners are the ones that acknowledge them. And you know something, an Accord is a superior car if you're over 50 and ready to trade-in the mini-van because your kids are headed to college or jail. For someone 15-30 years-old I can't see the attraction to an Accord, no matter how fast it can go. Sure, it had this aura that it had a skimpy warranty because the car was so good you didn't need anything beyond 36k. And that you had to pay list if you wanted one. But you know what? A 2k2 Accord got sold near invoice from what I hear because the mighty Honda with it's way outdated styling couldn't move off the lots.

 

i had the same problem with that dude hondav6, i think he's on
Acu-Hond.net with the same name...he was trying to say that the 2k2 6pd max and 2k2 5spd altima is slower to the cls and tls autos
he said something about the mag only got 15.0s 6spd max

 

that's basically what everything is about This dude believes that magazine times are everything! I laid down a challenge for a race though, we will see if anyone picks up on it.

Accord people and Nissan people are both having seperate meets on the 27th in Dallas, maybe their paths will cross. Hmmmmmmmmm

 

Well, the moderator laid the smack down on us after, was it 9 pages? Thanks to Jeff92se for providing the entertainment. Maybe we will meet again.

 

Mr. V6 auto got REAL quiet when a 10 year old car owned his nice new Accord. hehe

 

Man, me to me to!!!!!

 

How much of a distance was that race (ref 'couple of car lengths')? If it was a 1/4 mile, then your sister's GXE is pretty quick because the 6th gen Accord V6 coupe can normally and consistently run about 15.7-15.8.

95emeraldgxe, a modded F23A1/4 6G Accord (4 cylinder LEV/ULEV Accord, to those unfamiliar with Honda engine codenames) 5speed has a sizeable aftermarket. (i.e.: if turbocharged, modded and tuned correctly they can make 300+ HP, potentially; that was my goal until the tranny went bad.) -- I still got some VTEC in my blood.

 

I love this thread!! Thank you Steve for giving me something interesting for me to read!

News flash: I didn't know Accord V6s have poor gear ratios and slow shifts. Thanks for all of the info.

 

Have you actually seen this at the track? And do you mean stock? The whole argument over there was that these times are not really possible stock in spite of mag numbers. None of the guys at AV6 have been able to break into the 15's stock. Hell, even some of the guys with full bolt-on mods (intake, $1300 Comptech Headers, full exhaust, pulleys, etc.) can barely get a 15.7-15.8.

 

Confirmed. I've seen about 2 or 3 different stock Accord V6 Coupes run between 15.7XX and 15.8XX, Etown. (This was back when I had my 626 V6 5sp and raced in the same bracket.) Disclaimer: These were with the 1998-1999 models. I've not seen a 2000+ V6 Accord break into the 15s; as a matter of fact, they run about the same as the 4cylinder 5speed Accord.

 

That is what doesn't make sense. I have seen modded AV6s here run at the track, hitting high 14s, low 15s with full bolt ons.

 

haha...thanks for the assist guys, and thanks for keeping it peaceful and respectful. I see it got lockie lockied some time this morning but oh well, it was fun. The argument STILL wasn't going anywhere anyways. Some people are just blind. Those same people are also the same ones that put the "DUH" in HonDUH.

Guys like those that can at least put together complete sentences and "sound" intelligent but have their information all wrong are really a DIS-service to the Honda community. They believe only what they believe in mags, and if somebody in the real world has anything that says differently it's automatically BS. Unfortunately, you do not get the truth in magazines. You get opinions, and the times that ONE person with ONE car can run. And often times the perceived truth is really a distortion of the truth and often times not even the complete truth.

I've always been a big Maxima fan, but when it came time to buy my first car out of school, I liked the overall package of the Accord V6 better. And because the mag times suggested that the AV6 and Max were equal, I got the AV6 thinking I was getting so much more for my money and drove off of the dealership lot with a HUGE AZZ grin on my face.

That's when I really got involved with the import scene. People were saying you could hit low-15's with bolt-on's in AV6's so I was all pumped to start modding and run with 5spd Maxima's. But then when other people spent THOUSANDS on these mods and were still hardly able to even hit 15.8's consistently I began to scratch my head and start trying to figure things out. I started reading over here and saw that the 00-01 auto guys were hitting mid-15's stock with just manually shifting because the stock shift points sucked. I guess in the mag testing they just let it shift by itself and that was the reason for the poorer times. That's when I realized that the extra 22 HP really did make a difference and that the mag times weren't all they were cracked up to be.

It was a mistake for me to buy an AV6, but I have no regrets. If I hadn't bought the car I wouldn't have spent the entire year of 2001 trying to figure out how to make the car faster and why it wasn't as fast as it "should" be according to the mags. In the process of doing all that, I learned a great deal of things about cars that I didn't understand back then. So if I didn't put myself through all of that, I wouldn't understand all that I do today. So no regrets

But in a nice closer to this thread, at least for me, I'll say the following.

I oWnEd an Accord V6 this morning!!!!

I was cruising up I-270N (for the DC guys) and this 98-00 Accord V6 and a newer Impala SS were FLYING going 100+ it seemed. I followed them both but then we all saw a cop cruising so we all backed off. A couple of exits later the cop got off and went over into the local lanes. The Impala dude took off but the AV6 and I both waited because we both knew that the cop could still come back over into the thru-lanes.

I was keeping my distance so I was back a good 100 yards or so, but I saw the Impala slowly becoming a little spec and the AV6's profile getting smaller very quickly (and I was going 80) so I figured it was safe and I got on it a bit.

By the time I was up to 110 I had caught up to the AV6 and pulling on him HARD because by then he would have maxed out 3rd gear and would have been in the cripple 4th OD gear. I saw the needle getting close to 120 and that's when I was about to catchup with the Impala. And the AV6 guy was still trying to stay in it with his foot flat on the floor in 4th gear!

We all ran into some traffic and had to back down, but the AV6 guy kept on trying to race me, but I kept on closing the door on him. Too much traffic. No way. OWNED!

BTW, I was in 5th gear the whole time. I never downshifted to 4th, and never went WOT!

 

Thanks for the info - I trust yours

This confirms the theory that the 98-99 models with distributor ignition and loser emissions controls are faster than the 00+ models with DIS and LEV emissions. It's probably all emissions controls and stricter ECU's. The fastest people at AV6 as far as track and dyno numbers are all 98-99's. The 00+'s seem slow as *****.

Hmm...I wonder what the conditions were when you saw these times? Do you remember at all? I'm curious.

I guess Honda had to add a bunch of cats and crap to get the LEV emissions rating but had to MURDER the power to get there. In that case, why the hell didn't Honda DERATE the power?

 

There's only one AV6 that we've EVER heard of on the Accord V6 boards that has hit high-14's NA. And that guy is "ALTA PRECISION" who doesn't even have a US-spec car and lives in the Dominican Republic! It has one or two fewer cats than the US-spec cars and he also did a TON of work on it including a CL-S manifold swap.

There are TWO guys at AV6 now that have over 200 fwhp NA and that's with every bolt-on including the kitchen sink and Unichip tuning but they haven't been to the track yet.

Are you really sure they weren't spraying, Russ? Some of the AV6 guys that spray don't even hit 14's. You'll argue on the Honda side of anything these days I guess so I don't trust your info nearly as much as I trust F23A4's.

 

Dude I am dead serious. This is when I had my MAxima I saw these V6 Accords running. They must of had a meet there. They didn't have NOS either.

There was even a older body Accord, 2 generations back, not the current, and not the last body, but the one before that with tons of mods, running NA he was running high 14s! He had drags on the front too. It was a 5spd as well.

Remember half the guys do not have to be on the board either. I know of alot of Max owners that run low times that are not even on the board.

Oh please don't give me that crap on your last paragraph. You did the same **** when you had the Accord and there are posts on this forum to prove it.

 

At least I got to post my 15.65 run against Sonic. That vid is still more proof than anyone will ever need.