Sith

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I would seriously like to race a VG against a VQ.

The VG has alot of pull which will keep it up close i think.
Up High the VG will get killed ya but i wanna see from a stoplight to say 60 or 80?
I think i'm going to go rev at every old lady i see in a 4th gen around here.
HAH

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RosenKen

NO power? Well yeah 160hp with a slushbox isn't a speed demon. But a '92 SE 190hp VE 5spd ran a 0-60 time in 6.7 seconds as tested by Car and Driver. Isn't that the same as a stock 4th gen VQ 5spd?

I don't have any rattles, even at 120mph
I'm about to turn 100K

Nismo87SE

It didn't rattle much to me (maybe I never noticed it). I drove a 3rd gen and 4th gen before. I like my 2nd gen because its a smaller car and feel's "more tossable" than the others. However I have to say that VQ30DE is one bad *** ****, even though I haven't driven a VE powered 3rd gen. That engine has so much torque in the lowend-midrange its amazing. I agree that the best maxima would be a 3rd gen with a VQ hands down. Then again a 3rd gen with a VG30ET would be a very good challenge to a 4th gen VQ.

MaxRX7

That car was one of the best imports at its time. The car even spoke. Sure, it looked like a POS but it drove great. I wish I would have bought it and put in a 300TT engine in it, that would have kicked ***.

AntGVR4

my mistake Rosenken.. i meant 3rd gen VG motors..

And the person who said they wanna race a VG vs. VQ..
I raced chris91se at etown... off the line we were dead even.. (i messed up my launch tho) but in the top end i smoked him .. (sorry chris )

Ant

Chris2477

I have to vote for the 4th gen. The main difference with the 3rd and the 4th gen is the independent suspension in the rear, this eased the strain on the frame during performance runs, but the 3rd gen still lacks the power and aerodynamics. The additional noise created by body strain in the 4th gen is easier to overcome than the lack of power in the 3rd gen's.

Jeff92se

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VE=190hp 190 ftlbs

VQ=190hp 205 ft lbs.

you can up the hp and torque in the VE, you can't change the 4-gen rear telephone pole log beam.

Plus the VE can easily pull right into redline, while the vq power tapers off at about 5000 or 5500 rpm??

Kenneth

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Chris2477

You are right there, but you can turn the suspension to handle better than a 3rd gen, remember wider is better, there is nothing you can do outside of getting a 4th gen to get a wider wheel base, aside to putting wider tires on the 3rd gen. Don't get me wrong it's still a MAX, but not the best. My 4th gen with a upgraded ECU will out rev any 3rd gen.

you can up the hp and torque in the VE, you can't change the 4-gen rear telephone pole log beam.

Plus the VE can easily pull right into redline, while the vq power tapers off at about 5000 or 5500 rpm??

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Jeff92se

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Ah the gloves are coming off now!! LOL. Since you are getting into mods, my ve already revs into redline w/o the ecu. Plus the VE had VTCs on the intake cam that really flattens out the torque curve and allows the engine to breath really well on top. Plus I can get an ecu too. Wider is better but is wider + log = better than 3-gen?? I don't think so. And I can add suspension upgrades too. You guys do have coilovers though. That would help more than anything else. I think for flat surfaces, the different suspensions would not matter, but get into a bumpy surface in a turn and the 4-gen might bunny rabbit into the weeds.

I drove a stock VQ w/ 17s. I was not impressed, we even had a informal race from a roll. He would get a nice jump w/ his 205ftlbs torque but then I would start pullin on him in 3rd gear becuase his power started to tail off in the high revs. I did have stock 15s and the Y though. But that's it I think. I now have the cone intake, Y, RT cat, 2.25" cat-back and Y@K muffler. I also had the stock flywheel shaved 3 lbs just for good measure. See the faq for my write up.

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Chris2477

Alright that's it.....I know that you can modify the 3rd gen with pretty much the same equipment depending upon your taste, but the bottom line is once you go through all the mods possible you'll still get left in the dust....lol, one more thing to keep in mind, I have a Hybrid MAX, 97 body with heart of a 2000, can we say sleeper....:-0



Ah the gloves are coming off now!! LOL. Since you are getting into mods, my ve already revs into redline w/o the ecu. Plus the VE had VTCs on the intake cam that really flattens out the torque curve and allows the engine to breath really well on top. Plus I can get an ecu too. Wider is better but is wider + log = better than 3-gen?? I don't think so. And I can add suspension upgrades too. You guys do have coilovers though. That would help more than anything else. I think for flat surfaces, the different suspensions would not matter, but get into a bumpy surface in a turn and the 4-gen might bunny rabbit into the weeds.

Jeff92se

iTrader: (82)

Hold on!!! I just saw your sig. You got a LOG-Max w/ a 2000 engine!?! Give me the gory details man! Wow nice swap.

Nismo87SE

The VQ will have more lowend, maybe even more midrange. But one thing is for sure the VE will out breathe the 4th gen VQ in the toppend mod for mod. Don't forget the VQ is a lighter car by around 100-150lbs. Since the VE is OBD-I its easier to get power from than VQ's are. It boils down to NVCS/shorter intake manifold runners vs the VQ's longer runners, milder cam profile, non adjustable ignition timing. After all in a VE one could advance timing 10 degrees and spike the tank with 100 octane .

BigHops99se

I have only driven 4th gens and 5th gens and I did ride in a few 3rd gens. I have driven a lot of brand new cars in the 4th and 5th gen and in my opinion I would take the 4th gen. I had a chance to purchase either one and I chose the 4th gen because I like the look a little better, it doesn't feel as heavy or as big as the 5th gen, and the passenger compartment just feels more open to me.

These are just my opnions but I love my max and its a keeper for the long haul!!

-BigHop

DOM

So nobody likes my car. Thanks a lot!

Chris91SE

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its ok...hehe...yeah VG vs VQ...same mod PR CAI...we were even probably the first 120 ft id say...then it was all downhill for me but whaddya expect right?

both of us had horrid launches so the outcome coulda been totally different...meaning me getting smoked from start to finish...hehe

Sith

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My basis is just to say that what the VG lacks in high-end, makes up for in low-end.

I raced a V-6 stang tonight. I won. Was wet so we both got crappy launches but once he caught up he couldn't pull on me. He stayed in the same spot for it seems like forever. His bumper at my side mirror.

But i still wanna racea VQ and VE, just to prove my point that the VG is still a contender and not as slow as alot of VE and VQ people think.

madmax2k

Us 5th gen guys can just sit back smugly knowing weve got the best iteration yet..... No comments needed

Paul6speed

Larry... you got that right! Bet sitting back and being quiet, because I know which one is best.

Washington DC Maxima

but the engine of the 4th gen.. 5th gen is in second place..

Jeff92se

iTrader: (82)

Where's that 2000 engine into the 4-gen information??

Chris2477

I don't have time to give you the details right now, I am at work a little busy, I will post it soon.

Jeff92se

iTrader: (82)

Okay! Be very technical, I can take it!

Keven97SE

What color is your intake manifold?

Chris2477

Chrome, dressed up engine.

Chris2477

Chrome, dressed up engine, stock it was black.

Jeff92se

iTrader: (82)

Hmmm the last time I checked it was pretty hard to chrome PLASTIC!

Chris2477

I have a stillen intake, with custom chrome pipe.

RosenKen

'Chrome' spray paint maybe? Works just as good

Jeff92se

iTrader: (82)

You know, your losing your creditabilty at terminal velocity??

I smell bs here. Post a pic or a detailed description and shut me up NOW!

Chris2477

How do you post a pic

Lordrandall

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Go to http://www.zing.com and upload your picture.
Then post it here......

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Except use [and] instead of {and}

Jeff92se

iTrader: (82)

I'd settle for a detailed description but seems he doesn't know the intake manifold from a maf tube!

Maximamike

Left in the dust? Leave this in the dust log suspension boy Jeff I found some new mods too. Email me if you want the info
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