Alright, I've searched for at least half an hour now with no luck. That means new post (don't you wish all the newbies actually tried searching ).

OK, now What the heck is the difference between the VQ30de and the 3rd gen SE's VE30de???

Carpoint lists the same exact cylinder dimensions, same hp and torque at the same rpm and the same compression. Yet Stillin, well everyone, has SOOOO many parts for the 4th gen cars and almost nothing for the ve30de equiped cars.

Are they that different?

 

yes....the VQ is all aluminum and has different bore and stroke numbers than the iron block VE. the VE has a timing belt...not a timing chain like the VQ. The VE has a completely different ignition system than the VQ. Basically they have NOTHING in common aside from the fact that they are both 3.0L 6-cylinder motors.

The reason that you don't see much stuff for the VE is because it was only put in SE maximas for 3 years (maybe 2)

 

VE is iron block, VQ is aluminum.

VE has variable cams and variable intake manifold. VQ doesnt (well, in some other countries the VQ has variable intake manifold, but not in the USA).

VE is rated 190/190 hp/tq. VQ is 190/205 hp/tq.

VE and VQ have different ignition systems.

VE has different bore and stroke than VQ.

 

Actually the VE has a timing chain, the VG is the one with the belt.

 

The VE is the same as the VQ. Both have direct ignition. The VE has a chain. The VQ has 15lb ft more of torque, but the cars little bit of extra weight makes them even. The VE has VTC and Variable Intake, VQ doesnt. VQ=Alluminum Block good for N/A build ups VE=Iron Block good for Boost. Now let the fights begin

 

Last time I checked, 4th gen. is lighter than 3rd gen.

 

I think he might've been talking about the engines...maybe?

 

i believe the 4th gen is heavier than the 3rd gen when the motors are out of the car. the aluminum block allows for the body to be heavier.

hopefully by the time im done with my lil VE project, people will be trading VQ's for VE's not really though. I love my VQ sooo much. it revs so much faster and isnt nearly as sluggish. but dispite all that, i still am 100% VE. I believe in the "with out the VE there would be no VQ" idea. when i first drove a VQ, i felt a time enhanced VE.

now let the arguine begin

 

Here are some results I got after a 2 second search:

http://forums.maxima.org/showthread....=ve30de+vq30de

http://forums.maxima.org/showthread....=ve30de+vq30de

http://forums.maxima.org/showthread....=ve30de+vq30de

 

Next time you get a chance, start looking at the curb weights on the doors. We all did at Stillen and the 3rd gen was about 300lbs lighter.

 

 

Thats Gross Vehicle Weight Rating (GVWR), not the vehicle's actual weight. Did you think our cars weigh as much as 4runners?

 

no, but it still means the car weighs less. You deduct 5 passangers and what they figure for gas. Look at the two cars and tell me which one is lighter haha.

 

how is a supposed VE vs. VQ thread turning into a weight fight? are we really this bored?

 

OK. I'll argue

So, the 3rd gen motor weighs less than the 4th gen motor?? Who cares? Fact is, the 3rd gen (body & motor) weighs 100 lbs more than a 4th gen (body & motor).

Also, fact, the VE, with all the bells and whistles, like varied cams, varied intake etc, is not even quite up to a base bread and butter VQ with no varied intake nor cams. For $600, drop a variable intake on the VQ and it has so left the building that the VE is still in

VQ lover in the house,

DW

 

Sigh. That is not always the case. I've been looking at full size trucks so I'll use a couple of them as an example.

A 3500 4x4 regular cab Chevy Silverado is rated at 11,400 GVWR vs. a SD F350 regular cab 4x4 at 11,200 GVWR. The Silverado's GVWR is 200lb more than the F350 yet the Silverado's vehicle weight is over 400lbs. lighter than the F350.

A quick search on carpoint.msn.com...

Using a Maxima SE auto as an example:

1999 Model: 3072lb
1994 Model: 3199lb

This also disproves your assumption that a higher GVWR = heavier vehicle weight.

And yes the 4th Gen GXEs are lighter than the 3rd gen.

Get a clue.

 

iron lighter than aluminum....haha...that's funny....

so if a 3rd gen is 300lbs lighter than a 4th gen...you 3rd gens are all UNDER 2700 lbs......riiiight...

 

Seems to me that the 3rd gens are a little heavier than the 4th gens. Despite the weight, 3rd gens still have all around independent suspensions which makes them more fun to drive. I feel that the 3rd gens to be more solid.

VQ engines are definitely smoother, cleaner, lighter, and certainly powerful. Their engines even look better. The best thing about the VQ is their dependability/reliability stance. IMO it's the best 6 cylinder in the market today!

VE engines are all raw power, noisy, ticky, ****ed and ready to ROCK! Rev it to the 4k RPM range and you will feel a kick that the VQ doesnt' have. The only problem with VEs are the VTC failures. BUT, when and if they work watch out! This engine is Turbo ready due to it's iron block. I bought my 4th gen for dependability and my 3rd gen for power.

All in all, I've owned two 2nd gens, 3 3rd gens (1 VG and 2 VEs) and 1 4th gen. VEs are still the best Maximas to own and drive. Dont take my word for it, experience it!

 

What isn't boost ready about the VQ???? Pretty much ALL the max's on this board running OVER 10lbs of boost are VQs.....hmmm....

 

Careful, all alluminum.

 

The VE had Variable timing/NDIS/variable intake 11 YEARS ago and it gets no respect today is pretty sad. The VE was born premature but was ahead of it time. Give some respect where it's due...

 

I feel the exact opposite, where you feel the VQ kick in whereas the VE doesnt. I thin k the VE and VQ manuals are similiar but in auto they are a different brreed of cat. The VQ auto pulls so much stronger than the VE auto especially from a start.

 

Do you have a VE auto and a VQ auto?? If so, do you drive the both often in traffic and non traffic areas?? Are your VTCs working or knocking?

 

Careful?!?!?!

There hasn't been a incident YET where someone has blown a VQ becuase of the block or any internals....and we have guys well over 400hp...

take a look at the LS1...it's all aluminum and ligenfelter has a twin turbo kit for it that makes a vette capable of 9 second quater mile passes...

people always talk about how you need to watch out if you have an aluminum block and you're boosted...frankly I really don't think it matters unless we are talking about REALLY high boost (over 20 psi)....and I don't know of ANY maxima yet that has even come close to running that kind of boost.

 

That's why...

I drove one of my parent's friends 4th gen Maxi to pick the owner up from the airport (hour each way). Man that thing was a piece, I would have never guessed it was a Maxi just by driving it. I thought the sloppy steering feel, poor response and slow reving was because it was a GLE. I didn't realize they were different engines.

In that case, I'm damn glad I got the VE, it revs so much quicker - feels sportier & I love that top end. I know it lacks bottom end, but I'd still take it over that 95 GLE no question.

(No offense 4th gen guys - great car, more beautiful & more comfortable, but NOTHING like my 92 SE).

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Boost? Ehh, I was hoping for few simple upgrades to the N/A power. I've got the VR4 for boost, and trust me it gets tiring after a while... SUPER stiff 6-puck clutch & two turbos = very much fun, but certainly not a daily driver. Which is why I couldn't let my dad's Maxi be sold to some random guy... it's just as comfortable, but easy to get into, no turbo warm up, fits 4 buddies, no turbo cool down, no shifting in traffic, no lag, and still damn decent power, did I mention no turbo cool down or shifting in traffic!

The VR4 is enough of a money pit when it comes to serious mods - though I will have two TD04-9b-6cm turbos, twin VR4 intercoolers, a set of 6x 380 cc injectors & a VR4 205 lph fuel pump just sitting around in a few months....

NO no, NO!!!, I must fight, keep away from heavily modifing the Maxima also.

 

I guess neither are particularly suited for a turbo anyway, being fwd and much more importantly running 10:1 cr stock. My VR4's pushing 8.0:1. In fact 8.5:1 is the highest I've ever seen a turbo 6g72 run. Then again, this is a Nissan engine, and I guess you could push low boost!


Hey - which Maxi's have limited slips? My buddy's 91 SE-R has one stock, don't tell me the SE Maxi's never got one!?!

{Are the trannies the same between ve and vq? What about the injectors, what size anyway?)

 

Ever heard of BrianV?????

 

How about this and just think of this. Take alluminum and get it really hot, what will happen? it will crack, correct? Ok do the same thing to iron, it can crack, but will take a whole hell of alot more to make it do so. I am not about to play into this argument. I have raced VQ autos and 5 speeds fully modded. The members are here on the board I am not going to flame, but lets say they now respect the VE that much more. I have yet to rip one up with my VE 5 speed STOCK, but just comparing what the stock VE 5 speed does to my auto, I will say when it meets the VQ it is not going to be pretty. BOTTOM LINE Is and Always will be respect. You can bioch and moan about the VTC's and Variable stuff not working, stuff will go out after time. Any VQ's with 250k+ and still hanging with new cars? The Maximas are like the sentra SE-R(oldschool) vs. the 200sx SE-R it is not as sporty. Nissan built the 4th gen based on a all around car and not a 4DSC they wanted to aim at a wide variety and not just someone looking for some sport. How many old peeps you see in 4th gens?

 

I guess this is the latest episode right....VE vs. THE WORLD Part 347!!!! My God....

 

Doesn't Nissan already make a VQ30DET?

I'm sure that turbo holds up just fine.

And damn, some people here have issues.

 

Well said, it's after lunch so I'm well fed and now this thread is dead.