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Oct 7, 2002 | 09:04 AM

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You saw a slip?? Or are you going by the 2nd hand reply to your post in the Acura forum that said, and I quote "he ran side by side to a another car that has ran high 13's" ??? Lets see a factual report of this car running 13's. An auto in the 13's....I would like to believe it. Can you say NAWS......

There was a slip posted a while back on this car, but it was like 9 months ago or so. I actually forgot about this car running 13.9.

Oct 7, 2002 | 09:13 AM

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Among others.....I will call BS on the 13.9 in an auto. Again I will say no CL-S has hit 13's N/A. The record on acura-cl.com is 14.1 with mods. My friends car ran a high 13 and I was neck and neck with him, so automatically my car now runs 13s....haha. Many people on that board honestly dont know their head from their @ss.

lol, I will ask for more into on that run. Because it was posted it has been done. A few cl-s have hit 14.2s-14.4s with mods AUTOS.

A car with 240hp to teh wheels in auto form SHOULD hit low 14s possibly high 13s if your really good.

Every bolt on mod puts that much power out.

So if a 190 hp max with all the bolt on mods can hit 13.9 how come a 260hp auto car with 240 to the wheels not hit high 13s? Please answer me this question because I am listening.

Oct 7, 2002 | 09:29 AM

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So if a 190 hp max with all the bolt on mods can hit 13.9 how come a 260hp auto car with 240 to the wheels not hit high 13s? Please answer me this question because I am listening.

I dunno, but it might have something to do with torque and weight.

Oct 7, 2002 | 09:30 AM

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So if a 190 hp max with all the bolt on mods can hit 13.9 how come a 260hp auto car with 240 to the wheels not hit high 13s? Please answer me this question because I am listening.

its simple doofus..

the same reason a 300 hp car (GS 400) can't get better than 14.3 in the 1/4 mile..

WEIGHT

that and Honda's have no torque

Oct 7, 2002 | 09:31 AM

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<Just finished reading last 3 pages>

Just as I expected!

Oct 7, 2002 | 09:36 AM

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I would say the 6sp CL-S is faster.

Watch out for the ones with headers I've heard they can be quite fast.

Oct 7, 2002 | 09:39 AM

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its simple doofus..

the same reason a 300 hp car (GS 400) can't get better than 14.3 in the 1/4 mile..

WEIGHT

that and Honda's have no torque

lol, well 3440 the car is a bit overweight with all that sound deading ****. But if a guy has ran 13.9 he ran it. It's not impossible and you know that.

Oct 7, 2002 | 09:41 AM

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Quite fast...ok I give up now. How can you argue with reasoning like that!!! The CL-s HAS to be faster, I think Russ proved his point with the comparison to the 4th gen 13.99. Oh well I'm slower.

Oct 7, 2002 | 09:45 AM

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lol, well 3440 the car is a bit overweight with all that sound deading ****. But if a guy has ran 13.9 he ran it. It's not impossible and you know that.

I am not concerned with who ran 13.9 or not.. notice i wasn't in that debate.. i meerly answered your question

Oct 7, 2002 | 09:48 AM

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lol, I will ask for more into on that run. Because it was posted it has been done. A few cl-s have hit 14.2s-14.4s with mods AUTOS.

A car with 240hp to teh wheels in auto form SHOULD hit low 14s possibly high 13s if your really good.

Every bolt on mod puts that much power out.

***** envy perhaps?

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So if a 190 hp max with all the bolt on mods can hit 13.9 how come a 260hp auto car with 240 to the wheels not hit high 13s? Please answer me this question because I am listening.

Uh, SteVTEC has answered it countless times. Did you see the first post in this thread?

Also, a 96 GXE like Neal has is just a dab lighter than a CL-S.

From here, it's physics.......

Oct 7, 2002 | 09:53 AM

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I saw what Steve said, but when it has been done, then something is wrong

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***** envy perhaps?

Uh, SteVTEC has answered it countless times. Did you see the first post in this thread?

Also, a 96 GXE like Neal has is just a dab lighter than a CL-S.

From here, it's physics....... [/B]

Oct 7, 2002 | 10:05 AM

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Uh, SteVTEC has answered it countless times. Did you see the first post in this thread?

Also, a 96 GXE like Neal has is just a dab lighter than a CL-S.

From here, it's physics.......

Torque and weight just *might* have had something to do with me beating that CL-S from 0-80 mph by a car and a half.

Too bad that thread got deleted. I think Darren has it saved on his site, though

Oct 7, 2002 | 10:10 AM

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Torque and weight just *might* have had something to do with me beating that CL-S from 0-80 mph by a car and a half.

Too bad that thread got deleted. I think Darren has it saved on his site, though

go look for yourself

http://64.252.156.63/orgthreads/

Oct 7, 2002 | 10:12 AM

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Then if TQ is so much of a advatage, then tell me why MY CAR, can beat or most of the time stay dead even wtih a GTP till 100 mph off the line or on a roll? Then I start to edge him at 90 or so. Sometimes he got the jump or I got the jump, it was the same results 10 times. A GTP with pullies and intake on it? The GTP had the 3.20 pully which gives it 10psi over 7 psi which is stock. He runs 14.4 at 99 mph at the track.

Next time run a driver who knows how to race the CL-S or knows your racing. I have beaten plenty of 4th gens, haven't tried 5th gens yet. Ants wants to run me again with the VI because I have taken him down a few times. And his 4th gen is fully modded!

Oh yeah, but thats right. Nothing IS BETTER OR CAN BE BETTER OR FASTER THAN THE MAXIMA! Thats right. I forgot.

Oct 7, 2002 | 10:17 AM

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Then if TQ is so much of a advatage, then tell me why MY CAR, can beat or most of the time stay dead even wtih him till 100 mph off the line or on a roll?

are you talking a 4th Gen? if so.. look at a 4th Gen dyno.. they have no power after 5500 rpms

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Sometimes he got the jump or I got the jump, it was the same results 10 times. A GTP with pullies and intake on it? The GTP had the 3.20 pully which gives it 10psi over 7 psi which is stock. He runs 14.4 at 99 mph at the trakc.

look at his traps.. he can't launch his car.. when i was at etown i saw a GTP running 14.4 @ 94 bone stock.. Lisa in NJ runs 13.9 @ 95 mph in her 1 pulley sisze smaller GTP.. ither his car is fcked up.. or he can't stomp the gas and go

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Next time run a driver who knows how to race the CL-S or knows your racing. I have beaten plenty of 4th gens, haven't tried 5th gens yet. Ants wants to run me again with the VI because I have taken him down a few times. And his 4th gen is fully modded!

like i said before.. look athe the 4th Gen dyno.. they are making 130 fwhp @ 6500 rpms.. i bet money that Ants will whoop your **** when he gets his VI workign correctly.. why don't you put it on video

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Oh yeah, but thats right. Nothing IS BETTER OR CAN BE BETTER OR FASTER THAN THE MAXIMA! Thats right. I forgot.

they are your words.. would you like me to search and prove it?

Oct 7, 2002 | 10:23 AM

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http://www.acura-cl.com/forums/showt...threadid=82238

thread with 1/4 times of CL-Ss.....

There are actually 3 cars in the 13s.

Oct 7, 2002 | 10:27 AM

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The GTP runs are on video.

I was talking about the GTP to 100 not Ants. Ants was highway runs a while back before he got the VI.

Also the GTP has stock Goodyear RSAs on it. We both spun a little off the line when we launched but stayed right next to each other. Either he edged a little or I did, depends what part of the powerband we were in. Even on a roll it takes the launch out of the race. His trap 99 mph, that means he should walk from me right? He doesn't. Where do I see a 4th gen trapping that stock?

I know when I had my 98 Max, and 01 5spds, GTPs killed me no matter where I launched and they were stock.

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are you talking a 4th Gen? if so.. look at a 4th Gen dyno.. they have no power after 5500 rpms

look at his traps.. he can't launch his car.. when i was at etown i saw a GTP running 14.4 @ 94 bone stock.. Lisa in NJ runs 13.9 @ 95 mph in her 1 pulley sisze smaller GTP.. ither his car is fcked up.. or he can't stomp the gas and go

like i said before.. look athe the 4th Gen dyno.. they are making 130 fwhp @ 6500 rpms.. i bet money that Ants will whoop your **** when he gets his VI workign correctly.. why don't you put it on video

they are your words.. would you like me to search and prove it?

Oct 7, 2002 | 10:29 AM

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Why would you want to search when you guys are the ones showing it in this thread now. When I started replying I said they were even. You can't give one the better of the doubt. But then someone came in and said I give the MAx the edge. lol

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Oct 7, 2002 | 10:32 AM

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Oct 7, 2002 | 10:33 AM

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The GTP had the 3.20 pully which gives it 10psi over 7 psi which is stock. He runs 14.4 at 99 mph at the track.

So now you can run even with a MODDED 14.4 GTP in your nearly stock 15.3 CL-S?

That would be like me saying I can't beat a stock Gen6 Accord V6. haha

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Next time run a driver who knows how to race the CL-S or knows your racing.

Yeah, he wasn't racing. We were only going 80 in a 40 zone

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Oh yeah, but thats right. Nothing IS BETTER OR CAN BE BETTER OR FASTER THAN THE MAXIMA! Thats right. I forgot.

There are plenty of cars out there faster than mine. I know who they are and give them the respect they deserve by not messing with them.

Oct 7, 2002 | 10:38 AM

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http://www.acura-cl.com/forums/showt...threadid=82238

thread with 1/4 times of CL-Ss.....

There are actually 3 cars in the 13s.

I only see two 13 second cars and ones a 1st gen CL. Neither of them have proof but i know of the 1st gen CL from Honda-tech.

*edit* Actually there is only one and thats the first gen. Someone else says "there's gotta be faster autos then that, there is a guy running out here at fontana turning mid 13's w/ a 75 shot" but they dont say anything else about it.

Oct 7, 2002 | 10:42 AM

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Okay, so your 15.1 car trying to beat a 14.7 car, doubt it.

Per what you say that can't happen.

Yes, 10 times we have proved it in front of many people and its on video. That is why I am saying if I launch the CAR RIGHT, it will do 14s. The 15.3 was the 1st time at the track and it was heatsoaked. I am waiting for the weather to be cold again so I will tehn run again at the track.

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So now you can run even with a MODDED 14.4 GTP in your nearly stock 15.3 CL-S?

That would be like me saying I can't beat a stock Gen6 Accord V6. haha

Yeah, he wasn't racing. We were only going 80 in a 40 zone

There are plenty of cars out there faster than mine. I know who they are and give them the respect they deserve by not messing with them.

Oct 7, 2002 | 10:43 AM

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Read again. Further down the moderator said there are 3 cars in the 13s. And they are 2001+ CL-Ss.

Oct 7, 2002 | 10:44 AM

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Read again. Further down the moderator said there are 3 cars in the 13s. And they are 2001+ CL-Ss.

thats a whole lot of proof.. something i would put the house up for

Oct 7, 2002 | 10:45 AM

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Which is faster?: Maxima 6pd vs CL-S 6spd - Newton Says...

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is that your S4?

Nope, it's my cousins, his username is "TunedS4" on audiworld I believe.

Oct 7, 2002 | 10:45 AM

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Okay, so your 15.1 car trying to beat a 14.7 car, doubt it.

Per what you say that can't happen.

There's a big difference between a few tenths and a FULL SECOND when you're street racing.

Stock times for both the CL-S and a 4th Gen 5spd are the same. High-14's to Low-15's. It could go either way on the streets, but I have the advantage at lower speeds and exploited it.

Oct 7, 2002 | 10:45 AM

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i thought this car was for luxuury.. i thought you were not going to bring it to the track.. i thought you were done racing?

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Okay, so your 15.1 car trying to beat a 14.7 car, doubt it.

Per what you say that can't happen.

Yes, 10 times we have proved it in front of many people and its on video. That is why I am saying if I launch the CAR RIGHT, it will do 14s. The 15.3 was the 1st time at the track and it was heatsoaked. I am waiting for the weather to be cold again so I will tehn run again at the track.

Oct 7, 2002 | 10:46 AM

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thats a whole lot of proof.. something i would put the house up for

Since I had to manually go back and find that post which took a while. The damn search isn't working on that site it keeps erroring out. So I can't get the actual posts from the people who hit 13s like I was recommended to search by other members.

Oct 7, 2002 | 10:56 AM

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i thought this car was for luxuury.. i thought you were not going to bring it to the track.. i thought you were done racing?

Well like yours is for family.

The only way I will stop is if I got a SUV. lol

WWW.G35WORLD.COM 2004 I might have one.

Oct 7, 2002 | 11:01 AM

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Well like yours is for family.

The only way I will stop is if I got a SUV. lol

WWW.G35WORLD.COM 2004 I might have one.

with all the new high powered SUV's coming out.. no you won't

you know you won't

Oct 7, 2002 | 11:04 AM

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WWW.G35WORLD.COM 2004 I might have one.

me too

Oct 7, 2002 | 12:09 PM

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Oct 12, 2002 | 02:49 AM

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my auto cl-s ran a 14.16 @ 99.11 tonight.

n/a, stock wheels.

Oct 12, 2002 | 06:07 AM

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This post is flamebait

Hook line and sinker

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Well like yours is for family.

The only way I will stop is if I got a SUV. lol

WWW.G35WORLD.COM 2004 I might have one.

I know that site