13.999 @ 97.2 mph--All motor Maxima in the 13s
10-06-2002, 08:55 AM
#42
Re: 13.999 @ 97.2 mph--All motor Maxima in the 13s
Originally posted by Nealoc187
Well guys (and girls of course) it happened at 5:22pm CST at Byron Dragway in Byron, IL.
I'm making this post short, I'll post tons of details about my runs later of course, like I always do.
My mods are:
JWT POP
Cattman SS Y
WSP Testpipe
MEVI set at 5000
weight reduction
M&H slicks @ 23psi
My best ET run was:
13.999 @ 97.24mph with a 1.996 60' and its on VIDEO.
I also ran a 14.042 @ 97.24mph (again) with a 1.96 60'
I was also very happy about my highest trap speed of the day: a run which ended up 14.206 @ 98.38mph, wow. 60' on that was a 2.05.
My other 2 runs were 14.145 @ 98.03 mph (1.998 60') and 14.136 @ 97.04 (2.062 60').
Unfortunately Brian is a lame-as$ and does not a have a firewire cable so we can't put the video on the net right now. HOPEFULLY that will happen on Monday since he works all day Sunday.
So guys I wasn't BSing in my sig for all these months. I finally made it. I was so stoked when I was handed that timeslip I thought for sure it was a typo, but I backed it up with a 14.04 banging off the rev limiter in 2nd (oops).
More detail tomorrow some time. Video Monday I hope.
Well guys (and girls of course) it happened at 5:22pm CST at Byron Dragway in Byron, IL.
I'm making this post short, I'll post tons of details about my runs later of course, like I always do.
My mods are:
JWT POP
Cattman SS Y
WSP Testpipe
MEVI set at 5000
weight reduction
M&H slicks @ 23psi
My best ET run was:
13.999 @ 97.24mph with a 1.996 60' and its on VIDEO.
I also ran a 14.042 @ 97.24mph (again) with a 1.96 60'
I was also very happy about my highest trap speed of the day: a run which ended up 14.206 @ 98.38mph, wow. 60' on that was a 2.05.
My other 2 runs were 14.145 @ 98.03 mph (1.998 60') and 14.136 @ 97.04 (2.062 60').
Unfortunately Brian is a lame-as$ and does not a have a firewire cable so we can't put the video on the net right now. HOPEFULLY that will happen on Monday since he works all day Sunday.
So guys I wasn't BSing in my sig for all these months. I finally made it. I was so stoked when I was handed that timeslip I thought for sure it was a typo, but I backed it up with a 14.04 banging off the rev limiter in 2nd (oops).
More detail tomorrow some time. Video Monday I hope.
10-06-2002, 08:56 AM
#43
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Wow, several 0-60ft times under 2s.
Great runs. I need to get my head out of the 5th gen forums and pay attention elsewhere sometimes. I thought for sure the first 13s NA max would be a 2k2...
The 5th genners are going to go ape.
Great runs. I need to get my head out of the 5th gen forums and pay attention elsewhere sometimes. I thought for sure the first 13s NA max would be a 2k2...
The 5th genners are going to go ape.
10-06-2002, 10:11 AM
#45
Originally posted by Nealoc187
BTW Sprite I do NOT have that G-Force ECU yet unfortunately... the guy told me he would have it to me by Friday so I could use it this weekend but that didn't pan out. No harm no foul though, I finally got my 13s.
BTW Sprite I do NOT have that G-Force ECU yet unfortunately... the guy told me he would have it to me by Friday so I could use it this weekend but that didn't pan out. No harm no foul though, I finally got my 13s.
10-06-2002, 10:23 AM
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the wheel hop can be eliminated by modifying your engine mounts with some compound or getting PR motor mounts but half of this board complains about them. They get the job done if you ask me. I get barely any wheel hop.
10-06-2002, 12:03 PM
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Originally posted by JAY25
the wheel hop can be eliminated by modifying your engine mounts with some compound or getting PR motor mounts but half of this board complains about them. They get the job done if you ask me. I get barely any wheel hop.
the wheel hop can be eliminated by modifying your engine mounts with some compound or getting PR motor mounts but half of this board complains about them. They get the job done if you ask me. I get barely any wheel hop.
10-06-2002, 12:11 PM
#50
Re: Re: Re: Re: 13.999 @ 97.2 mph--All motor Maxima in the 13s
Originally posted by Nismo87SE
Now your going to have to be a NA test monkey. No telling what a cammed, 11.1cr 4th gen might run
. All I have to say is 2900lbs race weight with driver 
. With about a 8-10whp/4-8wtq gain over 4000rpm cartest shows your car running 13.6s @ 101mph given a 1.9x 60'. [Capt Picard]You must make it so [/Capt Picard]. Good job man.
EDIT: I plugged your race weight into cartest and assumed that your car would be making around 189-192whp/188-195wtq. This is the simulated 1/4 I got http://www.geocities.com/nismo87se/Neal_run.JPG. You'll have to cut and paste or copy to your HD to view. How does this compare with your timeslip? Cartest when given the same weight and dyno is within 1 tenth in ET but 1-3mph high in trap.
Now your going to have to be a NA test monkey. No telling what a cammed, 11.1cr 4th gen might run
. All I have to say is 2900lbs race weight with driver . With about a 8-10whp/4-8wtq gain over 4000rpm cartest shows your car running 13.6s @ 101mph given a 1.9x 60'. [Capt Picard]You must make it so [/Capt Picard]. Good job man.EDIT: I plugged your race weight into cartest and assumed that your car would be making around 189-192whp/188-195wtq. This is the simulated 1/4 I got http://www.geocities.com/nismo87se/Neal_run.JPG. You'll have to cut and paste or copy to your HD to view. How does this compare with your timeslip? Cartest when given the same weight and dyno is within 1 tenth in ET but 1-3mph high in trap.
.491
1.996
5.766
8.933 @ 76.89mph
11.677
13.999 @ 97.24mph
Whereas the simulation numbers are:
---
1.99
5.81
8.99 @ 79.0mph
11.70
13.98 @ 98.48
A couple things I can think of that might contribute to my numbers being quicker but at slower speeds are:
1) your ~190 whp figure might be optimistic. I put 182 to the wheels before the VI (and before the test pipe). From what I've seen the VI doesn't gain much at all in the way of peak HP.
2) My torque is almost certainly not that high (any more). Again going by what few BEFORE and AFTER dynos I've seen of VI cars, both Dave B and speedtrip lost a significant chunk of their low end torque as opposed to the stock intake manifold, somewhere on the order of 10ft-lb off their old peaks. I put 189ft-lb to the ground with my stock manifold, JWT POP and Cattman Y, so my peak tq may be closer to ~180ft-lb now, assuming the tq loss seen by Dave B and speedtrip. Also of note, I have a pretty ugly exhaust leak somewhere, which could be affecting my low end tq a bit too.
3) Does CarTest take into account that I am on bias ply slicks rather than belted radial tires. I'm told that in general slicks will slow your trap speeds down some.
Something else that I think is cool, this weekend may have been the first side by side races of two VI-equipped 4th gens. BriguyMax and I had the opportunity to go at it 3 times on the track, and a few times out of toll booths and on the freeway. The verdict is that our cars are dead frickin even. Only thing giving me the advantage at the track is my slicks.
My other runs were:
.613
1.964
5.790
8.971 @ 76.67mph
11.724
14.042 @ 97.24mph
I hit the rev limiter in 1st on this run and didn't powershift to 2nd, otherwise this run may have be quicker than the other. BTW this run was also against Brian he ran his personal best of 14.43 @ 97.2 with a sweet 2.14 60' on some really crappy tires.
.522
2.062<----spinning the slicks
5.869
9.053 @ 76.47
11.809
14.136 @ 97.04
Nothing significant on this one other than I spun the slicks a bit, they were at like 25psi and perhaps not totally dry?
.468
1.998
5.871
9.051 @77.85 <---my fastest 1/8th trap ever
11.816
14.145 @ 98.03
I bogged a little bit on this run, so all my times after the first 60' suffered, yet my traps were great. Another run against Brian, he was right there with me about 2 car lengths back and keeping pace with me.
.826
2.054 <---spun the slicks at 25psi
5.930
9.114 @ 77.69
11.883
14.206 @ 98.38 <---fastest trap ever for me
I spun the slicks on this run as well.
BTW these runs are NOT the order in which I ran them. I had the slicks at 25psi for my first two runs, and spun them. I dropped them to 21psi and they gripped great.
To address Larry's question about wheelhop: If I hook I don't get any wheelhop because as you know to get wheelhop you have to have them spinning, which they won't be if I hook. On my two runs where I did spin the tires a bit, I got some minor wheelhop but just stayed in it as it was over with pretty quickly.
10-06-2002, 02:37 PM
#51
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 13.999 @ 97.2 mph--All motor Maxima in the 13s
Originally posted by Nealoc187
The timeslip from my 13.999 goes as follows:
.491
1.996
5.766
8.933 @ 76.89mph
11.677
13.999 @ 97.24mph
Whereas the simulation numbers are:
---
1.99
5.81
8.99 @ 79.0mph
11.70
13.98 @ 98.48
A couple things I can think of that might contribute to my numbers being quicker but at slower speeds are:
1) your ~190 whp figure might be optimistic. I put 182 to the wheels before the VI (and before the test pipe). From what I've seen the VI doesn't gain much at all in the way of peak HP.
The timeslip from my 13.999 goes as follows:
.491
1.996
5.766
8.933 @ 76.89mph
11.677
13.999 @ 97.24mph
Whereas the simulation numbers are:
---
1.99
5.81
8.99 @ 79.0mph
11.70
13.98 @ 98.48
A couple things I can think of that might contribute to my numbers being quicker but at slower speeds are:
1) your ~190 whp figure might be optimistic. I put 182 to the wheels before the VI (and before the test pipe). From what I've seen the VI doesn't gain much at all in the way of peak HP.
1.98
5.77
8.96 @ 78.63
11.69
13.99 @ 98.28
2) My torque is almost certainly not that high (any more). Again going by what few BEFORE and AFTER dynos I've seen of VI cars, both Dave B and speedtrip lost a significant chunk of their low end torque as opposed to the stock intake manifold, somewhere on the order of 10ft-lb off their old peaks. I put 189ft-lb to the ground with my stock manifold, JWT POP and Cattman Y, so my peak tq may be closer to ~180ft-lb now, assuming the tq loss seen by Dave B and speedtrip. Also of note, I have a pretty ugly exhaust leak somewhere, which could be affecting my low end tq a bit too.
3) Does CarTest take into account that I am on bias ply slicks rather than belted radial tires. I'm told that in general slicks will slow your trap speeds down some.
10-06-2002, 05:32 PM
#55
Well looks like it's time for me to congratulate you.. As much as I wanted the record you beat me to it. Shortly I may beat your time though and my seats will stay in the car 
But again congrats Neal! 
But again congrats Neal!
10-06-2002, 09:52 PM
#59
Originally posted by deezo
It seems people get good times when they redlight. It happened to me too.
It seems people get good times when they redlight. It happened to me too.
10-06-2002, 11:51 PM
#61
Re: 13.999 @ 97.2 mph--All motor Maxima in the 13s
Originally posted by Nealoc187
Well guys (and girls of course) it happened at 5:22pm CST at Byron Dragway in Byron, IL.
I'm making this post short, I'll post tons of details about my runs later of course, like I always do.
My mods are:
JWT POP
Cattman SS Y
WSP Testpipe
MEVI set at 5000
weight reduction
M&H slicks @ 23psi
My best ET run was:
13.999 @ 97.24mph with a 1.996 60' and its on VIDEO.
I also ran a 14.042 @ 97.24mph (again) with a 1.96 60'
I was also very happy about my highest trap speed of the day: a run which ended up 14.206 @ 98.38mph, wow. 60' on that was a 2.05.
My other 2 runs were 14.145 @ 98.03 mph (1.998 60') and 14.136 @ 97.04 (2.062 60').
Unfortunately Brian is a lame-as$ and does not a have a firewire cable so we can't put the video on the net right now. HOPEFULLY that will happen on Monday since he works all day Sunday.
So guys I wasn't BSing in my sig for all these months. I finally made it. I was so stoked when I was handed that timeslip I thought for sure it was a typo, but I backed it up with a 14.04 banging off the rev limiter in 2nd (oops).
More detail tomorrow some time. Video Monday I hope.
Well guys (and girls of course) it happened at 5:22pm CST at Byron Dragway in Byron, IL.
I'm making this post short, I'll post tons of details about my runs later of course, like I always do.
My mods are:
JWT POP
Cattman SS Y
WSP Testpipe
MEVI set at 5000
weight reduction
M&H slicks @ 23psi
My best ET run was:
13.999 @ 97.24mph with a 1.996 60' and its on VIDEO.
I also ran a 14.042 @ 97.24mph (again) with a 1.96 60'
I was also very happy about my highest trap speed of the day: a run which ended up 14.206 @ 98.38mph, wow. 60' on that was a 2.05.
My other 2 runs were 14.145 @ 98.03 mph (1.998 60') and 14.136 @ 97.04 (2.062 60').
Unfortunately Brian is a lame-as$ and does not a have a firewire cable so we can't put the video on the net right now. HOPEFULLY that will happen on Monday since he works all day Sunday.
So guys I wasn't BSing in my sig for all these months. I finally made it. I was so stoked when I was handed that timeslip I thought for sure it was a typo, but I backed it up with a 14.04 banging off the rev limiter in 2nd (oops).
More detail tomorrow some time. Video Monday I hope.
Congrats! p.s. Are you going to the oct 12 meet?
10-07-2002, 06:53 AM
#65
Originally posted by MardiGrasMax
Very nice! Congrats!
M&H's YUMMY!!!
Very nice! Congrats!
M&H's YUMMY!!!
Matt! When are you going to race again? I hope you can hit 12s real soon. Too bad now I can't be there to witness it first hand.
As soon as the darn raining stops here, I'll try my best to hit 13s...yes, wishful thinking I know.
10-07-2002, 07:19 AM
#66
Originally posted by Cumalot
Matt! When are you going to race again? I hope you can hit 12s real soon. Too bad now I can't be there to witness it first hand.
As soon as the darn raining stops here, I'll try my best to hit 13s...yes, wishful thinking I know.
Matt! When are you going to race again? I hope you can hit 12s real soon. Too bad now I can't be there to witness it first hand.
As soon as the darn raining stops here, I'll try my best to hit 13s...yes, wishful thinking I know.
10-07-2002, 02:19 PM
#68
Originally posted by ru4real
Awesome driving! Congrats on setting a record.
Did the track officials give you crap for a sub-14 E/T without a helmet or were you already wearing one?
Awesome driving! Congrats on setting a record.
Did the track officials give you crap for a sub-14 E/T without a helmet or were you already wearing one?
10-07-2002, 03:20 PM
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truly amazing.... to some people this was just a great run, but to people me this is a whole new chapter in maxima performance. I'm sure that nissan never thought the VQ30DE would power a maxima into the 13s without help and it really goes to show the determination you've put into this paying off.
So what next? Some people say 13.8s.... I say that now you need to repeat it on street tires. The ECU may be the trick to run a 13 in full street trim.
Congrats and Good Luck
So what next? Some people say 13.8s.... I say that now you need to repeat it on street tires. The ECU may be the trick to run a 13 in full street trim.
Congrats and Good Luck
10-08-2002, 12:17 PM
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Originally posted by theblue
truly amazing.... to some people this was just a great run, but to people me this is a whole new chapter in maxima performance. I'm sure that nissan never thought the VQ30DE would power a maxima into the 13s without help and it really goes to show the determination you've put into this paying off.
So what next? Some people say 13.8s.... I say that now you need to repeat it on street tires. The ECU may be the trick to run a 13 in full street trim.
Congrats and Good Luck
truly amazing.... to some people this was just a great run, but to people me this is a whole new chapter in maxima performance. I'm sure that nissan never thought the VQ30DE would power a maxima into the 13s without help and it really goes to show the determination you've put into this paying off.
So what next? Some people say 13.8s.... I say that now you need to repeat it on street tires. The ECU may be the trick to run a 13 in full street trim.
Congrats and Good Luck
that dialed in at 14.8. i let off the gas (i always sandbag lol got me back) a whole lot at the end and still ran a 14.36@91.38mph!!! bad luck, but what a run. double break out for us and i lost by .04. oh well. some dude in a supra won the first round but had to leave. he gave me his number and i got two free runs. this time i dialed in at 14.2 and i ran a 14.24@96.59. the third round i lost to a swapped civic who dialed 14.8. he treed me with a .547 to my .599RT. i ran 14.33@96.70mph. good times for a maxima, but the cold weather prevented my tires from sticking. i will test and tune at atco to see if my street tires have anything more to offer. perhaps i will try to compensate by doing burn outs. my launches varied from 2.1-2.3 so unless i can launch the car like i did on that hot sticky day at atco, i won't be seeing 13's in street trim. overall i'm glad that my car runs consistently quicker now. i have to dial in at 14.2 instead of 14.4 like i used to. that day i was cutting all 500 lights. good learning experience i guess. neal, why did you choose millenia rims for your slicks? are they that lightweight? also, what size are your slicks and where did you buy both?? i would like to join the 13 sec NA maxima club!
10-08-2002, 08:25 PM
#71
Originally posted by VQdriver
i can feel something good about our cars finally! i have the Gforce ECU in my car. i raced it in englishtown battle of the imports. man, i'm kinda impressed. my first run i had no traction (all day), ran 14.2@94. my second run, i missed 2nd gear but ran a 14.5 and trapped out at 98.5! my first round i broke out because my dial in time was 14.4 (like it usually is). i raced against a turbo neon that dialed in at 14.8. i let off the gas (i always sandbag lol got me back) a whole lot at the end and still ran a 14.36@91.38mph!!! bad luck, but what a run. double break out for us and i lost by .04. oh well. some dude in a supra won the first round but had to leave. he gave me his number and i got two free runs. this time i dialed in at 14.2 and i ran a 14.24@96.59. the third round i lost to a swapped civic who dialed 14.8. he treed me with a .547 to my .599RT. i ran 14.33@96.70mph. good times for a maxima, but the cold weather prevented my tires from sticking. i will test and tune at atco to see if my street tires have anything more to offer. perhaps i will try to compensate by doing burn outs. my launches varied from 2.1-2.3 so unless i can launch the car like i did on that hot sticky day at atco, i won't be seeing 13's in street trim. overall i'm glad that my car runs consistently quicker now. i have to dial in at 14.2 instead of 14.4 like i used to. that day i was cutting all 500 lights. good learning experience i guess. neal, why did you choose millenia rims for your slicks? are they that lightweight? also, what size are your slicks and where did you buy both?? i would like to join the 13 sec NA maxima club!
i can feel something good about our cars finally! i have the Gforce ECU in my car. i raced it in englishtown battle of the imports. man, i'm kinda impressed. my first run i had no traction (all day), ran 14.2@94. my second run, i missed 2nd gear but ran a 14.5 and trapped out at 98.5! my first round i broke out because my dial in time was 14.4 (like it usually is). i raced against a turbo neon
that dialed in at 14.8. i let off the gas (i always sandbag lol got me back) a whole lot at the end and still ran a 14.36@91.38mph!!! bad luck, but what a run. double break out for us and i lost by .04. oh well. some dude in a supra won the first round but had to leave. he gave me his number and i got two free runs. this time i dialed in at 14.2 and i ran a 14.24@96.59. the third round i lost to a swapped civic who dialed 14.8. he treed me with a .547 to my .599RT. i ran 14.33@96.70mph. good times for a maxima, but the cold weather prevented my tires from sticking. i will test and tune at atco to see if my street tires have anything more to offer. perhaps i will try to compensate by doing burn outs. my launches varied from 2.1-2.3 so unless i can launch the car like i did on that hot sticky day at atco, i won't be seeing 13's in street trim. overall i'm glad that my car runs consistently quicker now. i have to dial in at 14.2 instead of 14.4 like i used to. that day i was cutting all 500 lights. good learning experience i guess. neal, why did you choose millenia rims for your slicks? are they that lightweight? also, what size are your slicks and where did you buy both?? i would like to join the 13 sec NA maxima club!
Dang nice runs. The Mazda Millenia wheels weigh 11.5lbs. So yes, they are light as heck. I'm running a 6.0/26.0-15 M&H Racemaster slick.
10-09-2002, 08:10 AM
#74
Congrats
Awesome Nealoc...I will hopefully be joining you on the 13's all motor 4th gen car on the 18th of October. Making a trip to Roswell. I'm glad that you were able to get it. I knew it was a matter of the weather cooling before you got it.
-John
I knew it was a matter of the weather cooling before you got it.-John
10-09-2002, 08:16 AM
#75
Re: Congrats
Originally posted by Mr Cranman
Awesome Nealoc...I will hopefully be joining you on the 13's all motor 4th gen car on the 18th of October. Making a trip to Roswell. I'm glad that you were able to get it. I knew it was a matter of the weather cooling before you got it.
-John
Awesome Nealoc...I will hopefully be joining you on the 13's all motor 4th gen car on the 18th of October. Making a trip to Roswell. I'm glad that you were able to get it.
I knew it was a matter of the weather cooling before you got it.-John
are you going to have UFO's help you get you to 13's 
10-09-2002, 08:30 AM
#76
Re: Re: Congrats
Originally posted by SprintMax
Roswell NM? are you going to have UFO's help you get you to 13's
Roswell NM?
are you going to have UFO's help you get you to 13's
-John
that VI must really be impressive
10-09-2002, 09:10 AM
#78
Originally posted by NmexMAX
Hey, you need some company going down Mr. Cranman? I may be able to roll alongside you on your way, or with you, whatever.
Hey, you need some company going down Mr. Cranman? I may be able to roll alongside you on your way, or with you, whatever.
-John
10-09-2002, 09:18 AM
#80
Originally posted by Roadbeef
I knew it we had some fruit cakes on this site. See Mr. Sprint there goes one right there. I bet my 1989 maxima that bill is another fruity a*sss.
I knew it we had some fruit cakes on this site. See Mr. Sprint there goes one right there. I bet my 1989 maxima that bill is another fruity a*sss.