Street Racing: Maxima (I30) -vs- Crown Vic - Look inside to see who won.
10-21-2002, 08:15 PM
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Street Racing: Maxima (I30) -vs- Crown Vic - Look inside to see who won.
http://www.crownvic.net/ubb/ultimate...c;f=1;t=016440
The answer is: They all lost. 4 Occupants of the Vic, and the Maxima driver, all killed.
The answer is: They all lost. 4 Occupants of the Vic, and the Maxima driver, all killed.
10-21-2002, 08:41 PM
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whatever it was guys head on collision or street racing. Just drive safe and smart don't street race take it to the track. Im sure most of us don't want to read another thread that starts out Another ORG member dies while street racing.
10-21-2002, 09:16 PM
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Originally posted by JerseyMaxima
Truth
1 + 1 = Bomb (Put it together people) In the middle east, with that roof BLOWN off...
Truth
1 + 1 = Bomb (Put it together people) In the middle east, with that roof BLOWN off...
10-21-2002, 09:32 PM
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It was in Saudi Arabia (from reading the license plates).
Having been there, it probably was a collision, just not head on (IMHO). They have some of the worst drivers and absolutely the straightest, most boring roads I've ever seen. And gas, in 1999, was going for the equivalent of 23 cents a gallon. They just point the car and mash the accelerator until they get to wherever it is they're going. And they like to stop in the middle of the road and make u-turns when they miss the gas station/mosque/pop stand that just went by at 125+.
Or their tires separate from driving 125+ M.P.H. in 140+ degrees on blacktop that's probably around 175 degrees at the surface.
Or they hit a camel. (Seen that, too.... messy.)
And I thought Maryland drivers were bad....
Having been there, it probably was a collision, just not head on (IMHO). They have some of the worst drivers and absolutely the straightest, most boring roads I've ever seen. And gas, in 1999, was going for the equivalent of 23 cents a gallon. They just point the car and mash the accelerator until they get to wherever it is they're going. And they like to stop in the middle of the road and make u-turns when they miss the gas station/mosque/pop stand that just went by at 125+.
Or their tires separate from driving 125+ M.P.H. in 140+ degrees on blacktop that's probably around 175 degrees at the surface.
Or they hit a camel. (Seen that, too.... messy.)
And I thought Maryland drivers were bad....
i think ima start driving safer no mo 80 in a 40
10-21-2002, 09:50 PM
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But, um, what?
Those are some truly horrific pics. It's pretty unbelievable seeing a Crown Vic chopped in half like that...
But posting this as "Street Racing" is stupid. We can draw our own lessons from the images without having you try to ramrod a message down our throats.
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But posting this as "Street Racing" is stupid. We can draw our own lessons from the images without having you try to ramrod a message down our throats.
Thanks
the Loon
10-21-2002, 09:51 PM
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Originally posted by Jarhead96SE
And I thought Maryland drivers were bad....
And I thought Maryland drivers were bad....
God forbid it rains...then everything goes to hell!!! thats when I stay as far away from Langley Park roads as possible! 
10-21-2002, 11:46 PM
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Originally posted by Mishmosh
That's a shame. I was hoping it was somewhere in Bahrain...
(sorry if this was in poor taste)
That's a shame. I was hoping it was somewhere in Bahrain...
(sorry if this was in poor taste)
lol...I was going to post something like that, but think I might get flamed for it. Good thing you said it first.
10-22-2002, 04:54 AM
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Two cars at normal freeway speed don't wind up looking like that after a head-on accident... Either or both of them must have been driving well over 100mph. There is debris scattered over a radius of several hundres feet. The crown vic was torn in half (look at the floor pan, it is actuall torn in half.
It most likely wasn't a bomb - the roof is probably up like that because it was cut open using the jaws of life.
I'm wondering if the Maxima was driving the fastest, because the vic seems to have suffered more damage even though it is a larger and heavier vehicle.
I'm also guessing the Maxima was under heavy braking and the vic was not - this may explain why the vic rode up and over the front of the max.
It most likely wasn't a bomb - the roof is probably up like that because it was cut open using the jaws of life.
I'm wondering if the Maxima was driving the fastest, because the vic seems to have suffered more damage even though it is a larger and heavier vehicle.
I'm also guessing the Maxima was under heavy braking and the vic was not - this may explain why the vic rode up and over the front of the max.
10-22-2002, 05:25 AM
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Unless your are a claims examiner i don't think you are determined to make that assesment.. that and the fact you weren't at the scene conducting investigations..
Street Racing is a touchy subject around here.. and alot of us guys and gals tend to partake in it.. yes its wrong.. but some of us like a friendly one of on contest to test our cars potential against other cars.. and some people like reading to know what ability their cars will have.. but classifing critical accidents as street racing is not going to help us try to post the comparrisons..
This is the third thread with a deadly accident i have seen mis-classified as street racing.. This.. Kevin (98 Max - RIP) and Chris Cheezers friend in NJ have all been classified as Street Racing when they were actually not..
More dumbasss people on the road kill people everyday than street racers.. for the amount of times people engauge in friendly contest i would say the percentage of street racing deaths resulting is a very small percentage.. probably 1% maybe even less. Please i am asking you Please.. unless you have some solid proof of Street Racing.. don't class a thread as that. I know lots of people here have had interesting little run's with great cars and are scared to post in fear of it getting locked due to the "Street Racing Death's" that are not due to Street Racing..
Street Racing is a touchy subject around here.. and alot of us guys and gals tend to partake in it.. yes its wrong.. but some of us like a friendly one of on contest to test our cars potential against other cars.. and some people like reading to know what ability their cars will have.. but classifing critical accidents as street racing is not going to help us try to post the comparrisons..
This is the third thread with a deadly accident i have seen mis-classified as street racing.. This.. Kevin (98 Max - RIP) and Chris Cheezers friend in NJ have all been classified as Street Racing when they were actually not..
More dumbasss people on the road kill people everyday than street racers.. for the amount of times people engauge in friendly contest i would say the percentage of street racing deaths resulting is a very small percentage.. probably 1% maybe even less. Please i am asking you Please.. unless you have some solid proof of Street Racing.. don't class a thread as that. I know lots of people here have had interesting little run's with great cars and are scared to post in fear of it getting locked due to the "Street Racing Death's" that are not due to Street Racing..
Originally posted by Scruit
Two cars at normal freeway speed don't wind up looking like that after a head-on accident... Either or both of them must have been driving well over 100mph. There is debris scattered over a radius of several hundres feet. The crown vic was torn in half (look at the floor pan, it is actuall torn in half.
It most likely wasn't a bomb - the roof is probably up like that because it was cut open using the jaws of life.
I'm wondering if the Maxima was driving the fastest, because the vic seems to have suffered more damage even though it is a larger and heavier vehicle.
I'm also guessing the Maxima was under heavy braking and the vic was not - this may explain why the vic rode up and over the front of the max.
Two cars at normal freeway speed don't wind up looking like that after a head-on accident... Either or both of them must have been driving well over 100mph. There is debris scattered over a radius of several hundres feet. The crown vic was torn in half (look at the floor pan, it is actuall torn in half.
It most likely wasn't a bomb - the roof is probably up like that because it was cut open using the jaws of life.
I'm wondering if the Maxima was driving the fastest, because the vic seems to have suffered more damage even though it is a larger and heavier vehicle.
I'm also guessing the Maxima was under heavy braking and the vic was not - this may explain why the vic rode up and over the front of the max.
10-22-2002, 05:27 AM
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Re: Street Racing: Maxima (I30) -vs- Crown Vic - Look inside to see who won.
Originally posted by Scruit
http://www.crownvic.net/ubb/ultimate...c;f=1;t=016440
The answer is: They all lost. 4 Occupants of the Vic, and the Maxima driver, all killed.
http://www.crownvic.net/ubb/ultimate...c;f=1;t=016440
The answer is: They all lost. 4 Occupants of the Vic, and the Maxima driver, all killed.
that does not look like anyone was racing you ROCK! It was more like a head on collision! look at it closely.
10-22-2002, 05:29 AM
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Re: Re: Street Racing: Maxima (I30) -vs- Crown Vic - Look inside to see who won.
Originally posted by JAY25
that does not look like anyone was racing you ROCK! It was more like a head on collision! look at it closely.
that does not look like anyone was racing you ROCK! It was more like a head on collision! look at it closely.
ok so they are both racing.. open desert.. no gaurd rails.. the Crown Vic hits the maxima side by side.. but the are no side damages.. and then i guess the crown vic spins around.. because they were going to same speed.. then the crown vic starts going in the opposite direction.. because they are going the same speed.. and then hits the Maxima in the front.. because .. again.. little side and rear damage.. then the crown vic splits in two.. yeah.. that makes great sense to me
10-22-2002, 05:48 AM
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Re: Re: Re: Street Racing: Maxima (I30) -vs- Crown Vic - Look inside to see who won.
Originally posted by SprintMax
yeah let me try to see it his way and his twisted logic
ok so they are both racing.. open desert.. no gaurd rails.. the Crown Vic hits the maxima side by side.. but the are no side damages.. and then i guess the crown vic spins around.. because they were going to same speed.. then the crown vic starts going in the opposite direction.. because they are going the same speed.. and then hits the Maxima in the front.. because .. again.. little side and rear damage.. then the crown vic splits in two.. yeah.. that makes great sense to me
yeah let me try to see it his way and his twisted logic
ok so they are both racing.. open desert.. no gaurd rails.. the Crown Vic hits the maxima side by side.. but the are no side damages.. and then i guess the crown vic spins around.. because they were going to same speed.. then the crown vic starts going in the opposite direction.. because they are going the same speed.. and then hits the Maxima in the front.. because .. again.. little side and rear damage.. then the crown vic splits in two.. yeah.. that makes great sense to me
to break a car in half you have to get Tboned very hard. If me and you are racing at over 100MPH and your beating me it would be a great idea that you stop cut me off and get in front of me
then I break your car in half. Give these folks some type of respect they are dead why post BShyt that they were racing. People drive crazy in different countries, I traveled enough to know. Not flaming anyone that posted comedy just the title of the thread is fcked up racing.
10-22-2002, 05:49 AM
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Re: Re: Re: Street Racing: Maxima (I30) -vs- Crown Vic - Look inside to see who won.
Originally posted by SprintMax
yeah let me try to see it his way and his twisted logic
ok so they are both racing.. open desert.. no gaurd rails.. the Crown Vic hits the maxima side by side.. but the are no side damages.. and then i guess the crown vic spins around.. because they were going to same speed.. then the crown vic starts going in the opposite direction.. because they are going the same speed.. and then hits the Maxima in the front.. because .. again.. little side and rear damage.. then the crown vic splits in two.. yeah.. that makes great sense to me
yeah let me try to see it his way and his twisted logic
ok so they are both racing.. open desert.. no gaurd rails.. the Crown Vic hits the maxima side by side.. but the are no side damages.. and then i guess the crown vic spins around.. because they were going to same speed.. then the crown vic starts going in the opposite direction.. because they are going the same speed.. and then hits the Maxima in the front.. because .. again.. little side and rear damage.. then the crown vic splits in two.. yeah.. that makes great sense to me
.....yeah street racing kills people......Friggin DUH! These two jacka$$es were probably both hauling rear in opposite directions...ive been to qatar and uae. Those people drive like mad!! Blowin thru lights and intersections at 100+.....But yeah they were street racing.....i mean look....cant you tell?
There will always be someone racing....always has....always will.
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10-22-2002, 06:40 AM
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Originally posted by SprintMax
More dumbasss people on the road kill people everyday than street racers..
More dumbasss people on the road kill people everyday than street racers..
As a matter of fact, I almost got turned around going about 75mph on the highway yesterday on the way to work because some STUPID CLUCK decided to buzz me at over 100mph at 630am (pitch black out still) without his *******ed lights on!!. Coincidentally, I just happend to be switching into his lane at the time, but out of PURE LUCK I just happened to pickup something that remotely looked like movement or a car, snapped back, and he buzzed me not more than a FOOT from my damned car!
I spent my last 10 miles to work trying to calm down and hold myself back from killing this MF'er!
Originally posted by Jarhead96SE
And I thought Maryland drivers were bad....
And I thought Maryland drivers were bad....
Originally posted by DA-MAX
God forbid it rains...then everything goes to hell!!! thats when I stay as far away from Langley Park roads as possible!
God forbid it rains...then everything goes to hell!!! thats when I stay as far away from Langley Park roads as possible!
10-22-2002, 07:33 AM
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Well, let's take a moment to consider the title... I guess everyone things that street racing always means side-by-side drag racing. Maybe I should have used a more accurate terms. One that encompasses travelling at over 100mph on the freeway on your own.
My non-professional opinion from these photos (which is, of course, not enough data to produce any kind of opinion - I'd need to study skid marks, direction, pre-lock braking, lane position, number of impact faces etc) is that these vehicles definitely hit head-on. My confusion is that the Maxima is facing South, and the frame damage of the Vic suggest that the vic rode up the hood and across the roof of the Max, leaving behind it's front suspension, then the body of the vic continued until FRP (Final Resting Position). This would suggest that the Vic was heading SOUTH, which would mean the Max was heading NORTH, yet I don't see any rotational marks indicating that the max was spun around.
I don't know which side of the road they drive on in Saudi/Kuwait, although I'm going to assume the US side, because all the US cars I see there (ie the 9C1, the blazer etc)
The damage pattern on the roof of the maxima suggests that it was removed in two events - probably the frame rails of the vic punctures the windshield and then tore the leading edge of the roof up whicle collapsing the B-pillar inwards, leaving the rescue services to cut the c-pillar, and fold up the roof to remove the occupant.
Possible Conslusion: The Vic was heading South (the direction the maxima is facing right now) and the Max was heading North. The primary impact face for both vehicles suggests it was head-on, although the lack of skidmarks makes it difficult to know the lane position although I'm guessing the impact happened mostly in the southbound lane because of the FRPs. The northbound vehicle drifted into the southbound lane. Upon impact the engine& front suspension of the vic was torn off and left behind. The body fo the vic rode up the max's hood, puncturing the windshield with the loose ends of the frame rail, partially tearing off the roof and skidding over the max. The impact was not directly head on, but was closer to 75% Driver-to-Driver because of the fact that both vehicles show lateral deformation towards the drivers side. The body of the vic show significant deformation to the driver's side roof, indicating a secondary impact face, probably from it landing after being sent airborne by sliding up the max's hood. The max was spun around 180deg by the impact, and it's FRP is south in the southbound lane.
The speeds of the two vehicles were almost the same. The vic is significantly heavier than the Max (by about 800-1000lbs!) so it should have either done more damage to the max or continued to travel fruther with greater post-impact momentum, this makes me believe that the maxima was travelling faster than the vic.
I'll not go anywhere near speed estimates, other than to say that this was not 65mph+65mph. The max was definitely travelling at a very high rate of speed, and the vic was also travelling very fast, but not as fast.
Sprint - I have studied Accident Reconstruction for many years as part of developing an in-car blackbox/video system. (to decide which data to capture, etc.)
Sorry for using the words "Street Racing" - It wasn't a drag race, it was just a couple of drivers driving much faster than they should. This should be a message to all you guy who are proud of hitting 130-140mph on the freeways... (I am no angel myself...)
If both drivers were doing 120mph (for example), how much warning do you think they'd get if one vehicle went left of center? You're already dead. That's how much. Damn - I'd hate to drive a high-speed road like that with no center divider...
My non-professional opinion from these photos (which is, of course, not enough data to produce any kind of opinion - I'd need to study skid marks, direction, pre-lock braking, lane position, number of impact faces etc) is that these vehicles definitely hit head-on. My confusion is that the Maxima is facing South, and the frame damage of the Vic suggest that the vic rode up the hood and across the roof of the Max, leaving behind it's front suspension, then the body of the vic continued until FRP (Final Resting Position). This would suggest that the Vic was heading SOUTH, which would mean the Max was heading NORTH, yet I don't see any rotational marks indicating that the max was spun around.
I don't know which side of the road they drive on in Saudi/Kuwait, although I'm going to assume the US side, because all the US cars I see there (ie the 9C1, the blazer etc)
The damage pattern on the roof of the maxima suggests that it was removed in two events - probably the frame rails of the vic punctures the windshield and then tore the leading edge of the roof up whicle collapsing the B-pillar inwards, leaving the rescue services to cut the c-pillar, and fold up the roof to remove the occupant.
Possible Conslusion: The Vic was heading South (the direction the maxima is facing right now) and the Max was heading North. The primary impact face for both vehicles suggests it was head-on, although the lack of skidmarks makes it difficult to know the lane position although I'm guessing the impact happened mostly in the southbound lane because of the FRPs. The northbound vehicle drifted into the southbound lane. Upon impact the engine& front suspension of the vic was torn off and left behind. The body fo the vic rode up the max's hood, puncturing the windshield with the loose ends of the frame rail, partially tearing off the roof and skidding over the max. The impact was not directly head on, but was closer to 75% Driver-to-Driver because of the fact that both vehicles show lateral deformation towards the drivers side. The body of the vic show significant deformation to the driver's side roof, indicating a secondary impact face, probably from it landing after being sent airborne by sliding up the max's hood. The max was spun around 180deg by the impact, and it's FRP is south in the southbound lane.
The speeds of the two vehicles were almost the same. The vic is significantly heavier than the Max (by about 800-1000lbs!) so it should have either done more damage to the max or continued to travel fruther with greater post-impact momentum, this makes me believe that the maxima was travelling faster than the vic.
I'll not go anywhere near speed estimates, other than to say that this was not 65mph+65mph. The max was definitely travelling at a very high rate of speed, and the vic was also travelling very fast, but not as fast.
Sprint - I have studied Accident Reconstruction for many years as part of developing an in-car blackbox/video system. (to decide which data to capture, etc.)
Sorry for using the words "Street Racing" - It wasn't a drag race, it was just a couple of drivers driving much faster than they should. This should be a message to all you guy who are proud of hitting 130-140mph on the freeways... (I am no angel myself...)
If both drivers were doing 120mph (for example), how much warning do you think they'd get if one vehicle went left of center? You're already dead. That's how much. Damn - I'd hate to drive a high-speed road like that with no center divider...
10-22-2002, 07:50 AM
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you ever seen a 60 mph crash? i am sure if they were going 100 mph both cars would be split in half.. i think the roof theory is as thomas suggeted.. they tried to cut the roof off to get hte person out..
in any light.. becareful with that word Street Racing.. its a very touch subject around here
in any light.. becareful with that word Street Racing.. its a very touch subject around here
10-22-2002, 08:00 AM
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Originally posted by SprintMax
you ever seen a 60 mph crash? i am sure if they were going 100 mph both cars would be split in half.. i think the roof theory is as thomas suggeted.. they tried to cut the roof off to get hte person out..
in any light.. becareful with that word Street Racing.. its a very touch subject around here
you ever seen a 60 mph crash? i am sure if they were going 100 mph both cars would be split in half.. i think the roof theory is as thomas suggeted.. they tried to cut the roof off to get hte person out..
in any light.. becareful with that word Street Racing.. its a very touch subject around here
Though (insert appropriate type of vehicular activity here) is dangerous I think the above mentioned activity gets blown out of proportion.
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