cant all us VG-VE-VQ-VQK-VQ35's get along

were like sibling rivalry under max.org as our house and nissan are our parents

hypothetical family situation..
VG: "i can beat any of you off the line"

VQ: "haha VE has to go to the doctor because his VTCs are sick!"

VE: "o yea well im the best looking in this family and shut up VG i can own you in top end"

VQK: "daddy, when i grow up i wanna be just like Keving and be turboed!"

VQ35: "hey VQ, stop those rattling noises or im telling mom; ha-ha! i got a 6 speed and you guys dont"

 

LOL - dmontz...chill out dude - i'm still w/ my 3rd gen. I'm undecided if I want to sell it or not. Nah...havent driven a VE yet. Good point about 145 and 140 MPH on the speedo.

SE models were the only one's w/ 5 spds right?? (89-94)

Does the SE come w/out Bose system? (I dont want it)

 

Individual racing experiences are irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. I'm sure there are VQ owners that will claim to have beaten VE's just like you claim to beat VQ's. And if you want to talk about mags, even the mags got better numbers for the 4G than for the 3G, and the dyno evidence backs that up as well.

Aaron also has a strong car and a lot of mods. Heavily modded auto vs stock or nearly stock cars proves almost nothing.

To hit 147, a VE would need about 240HP. Do you honestly think the tiny bit of extra power the VE has up top is going to let it pull a 10 mph higher top-speed, and even beat out a 222HP 5th Gen with the SAME DRAG COEFFICIENT!?

You are making claims about your car that are defying the laws of physics. Even a Honda Prelude with 200HP and a good 200lb less weight than your car will only top out at 140

 

well its about that time.....

 

I have a vid of Matt93SE pegged at 145mph and climbing with rpm to go here...

http://dmontzmax.maximaclubca.com/MaximaVideo's/Matt93se155mph.mpg


Aaron doesnt even have a exhaust
what do you mean heavily modded?
Pop Charger, Y Pipe, UDP, and VB and that is all.

Also, we all know the mags didnt do too much until 95. There is a certain respect that ALOT of old 3rd gen owners have for the car, it is turning into a classic, I just dont know if the 4th gen will be a classic, especially since it has everything the ford taurus does, I think the ford may even have independent suspension.

Also check out this video VE vs VQ both 5 speeds. As soon as I get my car back, I am going to go back to all the VQs in my area and try and catch video to show everyone.

http://dmontzmax.maximaclubca.com/MaximaVideo's/3rd%20gen%20vs.%204th%20gen.mpeg

 

i got a vid for you guys ... anyone seen the one 3rd gen vs 4th gen ? its to the "bodies hit the floor" song.

i can e-mail to someone to host.

 

email it to me.

 

I think it's the vid that bashes 3rd gens the whole time.

Seriously people, can't we all just get along?

At least most of you dont have to drive a VG, although I could take you off the line, hehe.

 

i'd like to see that - even though that song blows

 

You missed the point.


Speedo-indicated top speeds out in "the field" are pointless because most speedometers are off by a good amount at those speeds. And you have no way of knowing if the road was truly level, or if there wasn't a tailwind. Nevermind conditions either. Mags test top speeds in two directions and average the result, and they're not going by the speedometer either. More like radar or GPS based systems.


Even the 2002 6spd Max's with 245/255HP barely hit 147 mph!!!


dmontz - you talk about "respect", but then don't seem to have any for any other car yourself. You have to give respect to get respect in return. You realize that, right? This makes you a bit of a hypocrite, don't you think?


Why should people respect the 3rd Gen's when you're disrespecting every other Maxima made, in spite of their advantages?

 

No. You didnt read then did you?

I said "I love the VQ and 4th gen waaay back"

 

Why don't you practice what you preach then?

 

4th gen owners need to practive this.

"I love the VE and 3rd gen, it is a great car"

and not try and downtalk.

That is the bottom line.

 

hey now...nothin but love here

 

In order to form a constructive argument and be truly heard, I think it's important to acknowledge the other side as well present your thoughts. Typically you say nothing good about the 4th gen, not a single thing. We aren't all stupid, you can't convince us with something that just doesn't sound right. Not to say 3rd gens are that much inferior, but your posts make it look like the 4th generation is a KIA. Your argument is based on personal opinions and just pointing out drawbacks of the 4th gen, without acknowledging the negative side of 3rd gens. If you gave credit to 4th gens and admitted 3rd gens have their problems, then stated why 3rd > 4th and back it up with some proof.. then it would be much more presentable.
But this is still fun

 

The VQ has extra torque that matters, but you say it doesn't.
The VQ is 100lb lighter which matters, but you say it doesn't.

Then you bash everything else about the car, yet you say that you love it at the same time.

 

some of you guys take this WAAAAAAY to serious...demanding respect for a piece of metal on wheels for God's sake its a only car!!!

 

no, no, dont get me wrong it is a great car, still a Maxima and still better than mostly anything on the road.

 

It does matter stock for stock.

But not for me, since I am going boost.

The VQ may have a little more off the line, they should be pretty even midrange and the VE should have more up top.

 

BTW:

ANY MODERATOR SHOULD LOCK THIS THREAD!

 

I can really only add my thoughts on 1/4 mile times since I'm a track freak that has raced a lot of 4th gens.

DRIVER!!!!!!!!!!!

But, lets say the drivers are equal, the car is running just as good as the other.....

VQ auto runs 2-3 tenths faster than the VE Auto in the 1/4 mile. If the VE Auto loses 100lbs, the VQ auto will still be 1-2 tenths faster. Now, I can see how the VE Auto might beat the VQ Auto in a race above 90mph. But, I've never done that kind of race and don't really plan to.

VQ 5spd runs maybe 1 tenth faster than the VE 5spd. But, take out exactly 100 lbs worth of seats and a spare tire... they are EQUAL in the 1/4 mile.

Yes, I have never lost to a VQ auto before. Yes, I've lost a few times to a VQ 5spd. :cough: BJJ and KINGMAX :cough: But, I don't think it was totally fair. I have more mods that those guys and a different car that reacts differently to the same mods. We are argueing the fact of who's better... the 3rd or 4th gen. Let's face it!!! It's a toss up. If the VE or VQ was so much better than the other... the truth would have arised a LONG time ago. These threads get so long b/c it is a good matchup. We can argue until the cows come home or one of the mods locks the thread again.

Ok, to sum up my arguement... the VQ slightly edges the VE in the 1/4 mile. Races above 100mph are hard to prove without being on an oval track... NASCAR style.

The appearance of the 3rd and/or 4th gen is TOTALLY opinion. For me, I love the appearance of the 3rd gen MUCH better. I like my suspension much better. I like my VLSD MUCH MUCH MUCH better. I like my interior design much better.

THAT IS WHY I BOUGHT A 3RD GEN. If you bought a 4th gen, you probably bought it b/c you liked it.

Sorry, the arguement is so close it's not even funny. There are a lot of valid points one can bring to the table. Let's call this a toss up for now.

I'll see you guys in Fontana. All VQ's fear the VE.

 

i cant believe this happeens every week


i tried to send the vid to dmontz but computer was acting up.


anywho

 

As for styling, I like the 4G a little better. But if you put things back into perspective and compare the 3G to what else was out at the time, the 3G Maxima blows all others away. Even though I like the 4G looks better, they were less distinctive in terms of the competition.

 

Alright, we have not come to a conclusion. Time to lock it up!

Aaron you are so right, there is never really any truth arising in any thread, it is so close and if a race comes down to driver, then that means the cars are identical. One good point is mod for mod, stock for stock a VQ is not going to slaughter a VE and a VE is not going to slaughter a VQ.

It is almost like arguing VQ vs VQ or VE vs VE blah blah blah.

 

Yeah, and in 1996, 1997, 1998, and 1999, Nissan didn't make any 4th gen Maximas

DW

 

What if the drivers are identical, or you took them out of the equation entirely? Then what? hehe

 

uhhhh...then refer to my post on the previous page with the low end mid range top end reference

 

Soul Fly, check out MaxFAQs here, it's got a great breakdown on Maxima history;

http://home.earthlink.net/~maxfaq/

Also, If I were you and was shopping for a 3rd gen, I'd look for a 93-94 SE 5 speed, since they made the 190 HP VE motor for the SE only in 92-94. A 91 or below SE has the VG 160 hp motor.

DW

 

that link isnt valid..."page cannot be found"

guys, sorry for causing all this uproar..

 

no that link has a bunch of good info.

thanks dwapenyi

 

no he is right, i have a 90 gxe, i dont like it anymore, looks like **** and it always did, slow, etc, 4th gens are just better, many people will tell you that so whos the weakest link?

Juu Are

 

No, you are. Just cause your **** is ugly and slow, doesnt mean mine is. I will light your VG up and if you got a VQ I would light it up for you.



Dont you wish you had VE powah, sucka!

 

Dude, if you get a 4th gen, you'll love it.

I love my car, but I have to let it go...

You can make a 4th gen look like its a new model if you do the right things to it.

 

Then I guess your definition of mid-range is about 5600rpm and higher

 

Thats it...time to bust out some quotes by you...here they are!

SteVtec:
"Horsepower
Idle-3500rpm: the VQ has about a 5-10whp advantage over a VE
3500-5600rpm: The VQ and VE are about dead even.
5600rpm+: The VE has a good 15 whp advantage over a VQ!!"

"Overall the 4th Gen's are the faster cars (thanks to the extra torque and the lighter weight), but on a long and flat-out highway race, a 3rd Gen VE will in fact pull on a VQ thanks to the variable runners and VTC's, assuming they're all still working

hehe, just ribbin you guys a little, but in all seriousness, I was really impressed by the VE engine. It really did surprise me. On the To-Do list is a full Gen3 vs Gen4 vs Gen5(3.0) dyno shootout. What it's going to show is that a VE 5spd will hang right in there with the VQ 3.0's and people will learn that just because it's old(er), doesn't mean it's slow "

 

if you guys go all out to prove that some 14/15 second Maxima is fast than I'd hate to see you guys get your hands or ride in something thats REALLY fast like a 500hp+ Supra or Mustang or something to that extent...this thread has gone past funny. a lot of talk, paper comparisons, and Cartest dynos....

 

I agree and have thought that way forever. We argue over a few tenths here and there and it is really funny when even the stangnet guys dont argue over DOHC single cam 4.6 liter 5.0 liter AT ALL!!!

 

You took my quote of out context. I was just comparing the engines individually with those remarks for the chart below...




But engines have cars around them as well, so for overall performance the power/torque to weight ratio chart is the most relevant.





There's a bit of a difference

 

Let me get you a real dyno soon...

also LOCK THIS THREAD ALREADY!!!

 

Don, with all the beef and smack talk betwen you and the 4g guys, YOUR dyno better be the best VE dyno ever known to man or you won't hear the end of it from them!!