http://www.speedtrialusa.com/mpg/gingermanmax.mpg

 

Would it have been better if he was using a FTSB and rear strut bar? I want my Maxima to handle turns at higher speeds.....

 

It would help very little.....What you really need are springs and a RSB. When I took my car to that track, my car performed well. My car did sound like his though going around corners. Ultra high performance tires A/S's arent the best for the track. The guys in the pits had a good laugh at me going around turn 1 and 2.

 

How do we know he didn't have those things. Strut bar wouldn't have affected that situation at all, and RSB would have just lifted the rear tire more (assuming he didnt already have one). That was 99% the driver's doing, not the car.

 

Nice little clip.

 

Link does not work.

 

I think he corrected it good....most drivers would have just spun out...

 

word ... how do you get it to work?

 

He handle that turn pretty well to do what it did. If someone else was behind the drivers seat it may not have resulted in a complete turn more of a crash and burn. Good vid though!

 

if left click dont work, try right click and save as....

 

I think their server died...

 

that was scary

 

just worked again for me

 

That's friggin awesome!

 

Very nice recovery. Came in too hot to start, once off the brakes they got back on the throttle. You can see the wheel gap change as they try to power back out of trouble.

P.S. Most people I've talked with suggested Gingerman over Blackhawk for first time roadcourses. More runnoff room.

 

wheeeeeee tire flat spots!

 

I can't see it either. I think something's up with DNS for that site. Not propagating fully.

DW

 

He could have easily flipped

 

It's propagating for me

 

Forgive me if I am stupid, but when he entered the turn, the front corner panel, just above the driver side tire, dropped. If he had FSTB, the car would have pushed towards the outside of the turn, instead of the front dipping like that. At that speed and at that rate of turn, if he came down on his brakes hard enough to cause the front to dip, he would have spun, judging from how high the rear of the car was, and that was clearly (the rear suspension)signs of a factory setup. The car looked as if it wasn't lowered, (you know that a lower center of gravity can help your car handle better) and it had no rear strut brace, because the rear body leaned like the Tower of Pizza going into the turn. Factory rims, I'm not going to account for the tires, I don't know what he used, but they were certainly factory rims, so they didn't have the tire width to withstand the Gs it was going through....... The reason I am uniquely interested in this video is that I want my car to handle road courses, not drag strips. I think that is where your true car performance lies. Align it right and tie down the steering wheel, a modded car can go straight by itself. It takes the skills of a good driver to make quick lap times on a road course.

I could go on, but I might be wrong from the start anyway, could be the driver.

......and I forgot to mention the springs.....

 

damn! sucks to have a beam

 

Not sure where you are going with this? I truly hope this post wasn't intended it educate me on the theory behind how a car handles on a road course. Front strut bar and rear strut bar have nothing to do with body roll... they stiffen the chassis, they don't have any effect on body roll. I agree that the springs are most certainly stock, and that is possibly a good indication of the rest of the setup of the car, but in truth we don't really know unless we can find out who the driver of the car is. But no, FSTB and RSTB don't affect body roll, springs and swaybars do that.

 

What state are these road courses in?

 

Gingerman is in South Haven, Michigan. Blackhawk Farms is in South Beloit, Illinois.

 

Untrue. A strut bar or two would have hardly any effect given the situation. He was way too far offline, having not gotten to the correct entry point on the outside of the turn before braking. Thus when he made an abrupt move towards the outside of the turn, thereby putting all of his weight on the left side of his car, then mashing the brake in a last ditch effort to slow down, he locked his front tires and sent his almost weightless rear swinging around. A good example of how not to take a corner. Of course I know because I've done the exact same thing

BTW every car dips on hard braking, it's just knowing when and where to brake. I've seen a stock camry kick an m3's *** on a road course, it's all about the driver.