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Old May 31, 2003 | 12:08 PM
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Originally posted by deezo
Keep pulling the emergency brake and you may have more than brake problems. E-brakes are not used for stopping moving cars.
They're used for drifting in the rain in a front wheel drive, and doing 1080's (three 360 degree rotations) from a 60 roll on an iced over, abondoned mall parking lot
Old May 31, 2003 | 12:41 PM
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Near accident; I am not happy with brakes

Originally posted by Frank Fontaine


You've rented several and you couldn't tell if it handled better than a Maxima? You're kidding, right? Both the Alero and Grand Am have tight steering--they have less HP yet are 2 mph faster through the slalom. Any idea why? The Chevy Cavalier also has tight steering when compared to the Maxima. Better car? No, but the 4th and 5th gens could have used some steering and suspension improvements from the factory. That's water under the bridge doh.
That's ONE example and others rate the Maxima ahead some the Alero ahead, since they are SIMILAR performance wise.

"it stops shorter"? Did you forget your statement?

BTW it's for an automagic Maxima, I have a 5spd which is MORE than 2mph faster in the slalom and stops SEVERAL feet shorter pulling ahead of the Alero even further.

All the Aleros' were 4-door versions, I have a 5spd and again, there is NOTHING better in an Alero and DEFINITELY nothing to aspire to. Aleros and Grand Ams are crap, so you should have asked for how to make the Maxima perform better like the IS300 or even the new Altima.
Old May 31, 2003 | 12:58 PM
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Near accident; I am not happy with brakes

Originally posted by Frank Fontaine
Both the Alero and Grand Am have tight steering--they have less HP yet are 2 mph faster through the slalom. Any idea why?
Yes, it's lighter by a couple HUNDRED pounds!!!!

The Alero's steering is vague and the tires are marshmellows. No feedback at all. I EASILY pushed my car 10mph faster into the SAME exact corners that I would be scared to do with the Alero. It's just NOT the same. If you have driven one for SEVERAL thousand miles, you'd know what I'm talking about. I can push my Maxima to the edge and bring it back, because I can feel it let go and hear the tires. The Alero is numb and the tires ALWAYS squeal with NO FEEDBACK from the steering and understeer is horrible. The Max understeers pretty bad, but it's bearable at 8/10ths. Now with my RSB, I can confidently push 9/10ths withOUT any worries.

I can take an Alero ANY day/time and I'm willing to put $$$$$ on that.kiss:
Old May 31, 2003 | 03:20 PM
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Originally posted by orgasmicNYC


You stoop down to name calling etc... why don't you go do some research on the guy and the FBI training first. You sir are a simpleton and you are right if I met someone as smart as you there would be a post "2k2wannabe murdered"
you're right, I shouldn't have called you a moron. I should have tried to make you see why you're wrong so you can live a little longer.

1. Here's some good info for you... please read:
http://cartalk.cars.com/Columns/Arch...ctober/03.html

2. that guy uses the e-brake for precision, NOT to stop faster. Using the e-brake he gets to then use the floor brakes to adjust his speed. If he just used the floor brake he's lose the precision he needs

3. you are saying the e-brake makes the car stop faster, but it only engages the BACK brakes... how can only using 2 wheels to brake make a car stop faster than if it's using 4 wheels?

4. when a tire skids it takes LONGER to stop. The fastest way to stop is to get the tire just before the point where it skids. Locking the back wheels in a skid will increase the stopping distance.

So, in conclusion, I'd like you to find ANY study that says the fastest way to stop a car is to use the e-brake. You were quoting popular mechanics... find something in any CAR MAG or government publication that even mentions e-brake in a stopping test and I'll give you a cookie .
Old May 31, 2003 | 04:29 PM
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Originally posted by 2k2wannabe
you're right, I shouldn't have called you a moron. I should have tried to make you see why you're wrong so you can live a little longer.

1. Here's some good info for you... please read:
http://cartalk.cars.com/Columns/Arch...ctober/03.html

2. that guy uses the e-brake for precision, NOT to stop faster. Using the e-brake he gets to then use the floor brakes to adjust his speed. If he just used the floor brake he's lose the precision he needs

3. you are saying the e-brake makes the car stop faster, but it only engages the BACK brakes... how can only using 2 wheels to brake make a car stop faster than if it's using 4 wheels?

4. when a tire skids it takes LONGER to stop. The fastest way to stop is to get the tire just before the point where it skids. Locking the back wheels in a skid will increase the stopping distance.

So, in conclusion, I'd like you to find ANY study that says the fastest way to stop a car is to use the e-brake. You were quoting popular mechanics... find something in any CAR MAG or government publication that even mentions e-brake in a stopping test and I'll give you a cookie .


To the other non believers: Have you ever read a road and track where they said in the braking test they used the "handbrake"? NO! They always say they either engage the ABS or push the pedal down to the point before the tires lock up. That's the FASTEST way to slow down. NEVER use the handbrake, you will spin out and slam into a tree before you ever slow down.
Old May 31, 2003 | 05:13 PM
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just a question for those who are running the perfomance frictions. Do you have problem with excessive brake dust? i have them and about 2 days after cleanin my wheels theyre covered in brake dust again
Old Jun 1, 2003 | 09:08 AM
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Originally posted by finny
just a question for those who are running the perfomance frictions. Do you have problem with excessive brake dust? i have them and about 2 days after cleanin my wheels theyre covered in brake dust again
I feel that there is less dusting with those pads. My wheels never get as dark as when i had Stillen's metal matrix pads.
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