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Old 07-24-2003 | 12:51 AM
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Another turbo max goes to the track

Well i just got back from the track tonight and i didn't hit my goal of a high 14 but alot of people where running slow tonight, anyway my best time was:
60'--2.629
330'--6.916
1/8--10.185
mph--76.25
1000'--12.985
1/4--15.362
mph--95.75

Now this may seem slow for a turbocharged maxima butthe track is at 5900 ft. plus i have a bad vacuum leak, I wasn't seeing above 10 hg of vacuum at idle. I was boosting 6psi as well with rear seats removed and spare as well stock 15" steelies. Just for comparison a brand new srt4 was running the exact same times @ 92 and a new 2002 m3 ran 15.2 both stock. also my buddies stock ws6 ran a 15 flat at 93.
hopefully i can get this leak figured out soon and then get my light wieght 17's on there with 235 wide tires and hopefully break into the 14's, traction was tough tonight too.
Ryan
Old 07-24-2003 | 01:43 AM
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Did you zip-tie/clip all of your vacuum connections? I have had a lot of trouble with my car since adding the turbo but thus far, vacuum leaks haven't been an issue. I used zip ties and clips on every connection. Did you use a plastic tee for the connections? Have you tried replacing it if you did?

Short of that, my dad and I tracked down a vacuum leak on his boat with a bottle of water. We sprayed it all over and finally found a tiny leak at one of the inlets. It's helpful cuz you'll get a bit of an audible indications when the water gets over the leak. Just a thought...
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propane helps too, or starter fluid if the leak is big enough. joaquink's method is the best generally speaking, but you can hear the rpms rise if your using the propane/starting fluid method.
Old 07-24-2003 | 02:34 AM
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propane helps too, or starter fluid if the leak is big enough. joaquink's method is the best generally speaking, but you can hear the rpms rise if your using the propane/starting fluid method.
Huh? Got a link for the propane/starter fluid info? I'm not clear on this.
Old 07-24-2003 | 04:09 AM
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Huh? Got a link for the propane/starter fluid info? I'm not clear on this.

on a COLD running engine, spray starter fluid around in spots.

If you hear the idle go up and then come back down you have a leak near that spot.
Old 07-24-2003 | 04:11 AM
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2.6 60 ft wow... how were you launching?

95.75 MPH is nice

What is your MEVI set at?

The reason I ask is on my dyno runs it iseems 5300 RPM is the best place for it to be set. BUT your car may not be the same.
Old 07-24-2003 | 04:22 AM
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with a 2.6 60ft you should be at mid to low 14's if you launch better
Old 07-24-2003 | 05:39 AM
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95mph @ 5800' is pretty impressive too. 2.6 60'
Old 07-24-2003 | 07:08 AM
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You should be close to if not in the 13's.
Old 07-24-2003 | 09:10 AM
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Re: Another turbo max goes to the track

Originally posted by dafro
Well i just got back from the track tonight and i didn't hit my goal of a high 14 but alot of people where running slow tonight, anyway my best time was:
60'--2.629
330'--6.916
1/8--10.185
mph--76.25
1000'--12.985
1/4--15.362
mph--95.75

Now this may seem slow for a turbocharged maxima butthe track is at 5900 ft. plus i have a bad vacuum leak, I wasn't seeing above 10 hg of vacuum at idle. I was boosting 6psi as well with rear seats removed and spare as well stock 15" steelies. Just for comparison a brand new srt4 was running the exact same times @ 92 and a new 2002 m3 ran 15.2 both stock. also my buddies stock ws6 ran a 15 flat at 93.
hopefully i can get this leak figured out soon and then get my light wieght 17's on there with 235 wide tires and hopefully break into the 14's, traction was tough tonight too.
Ryan
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Old 07-24-2003 | 09:11 AM
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2.6 60 ft i know is horrible but its really hard to get a good launch in a fwd car at this track the best I have been able to do was a 2.5. the best iv seen a 5-speed go at this track was a 2.3 60 ft. I dunno I was launching at about 1800 rpm and i did spin the tires a little but nothing that bad. Do you think elevation can really affect the 60 ft time.
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Old 07-24-2003 | 09:56 AM
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You are nuts?! Starter fluid is the most freakin' flammable thing on earth! I would NOT be spraying ether ON my engine. Use wd40 or something

Originally posted by MrGone
propane helps too, or starter fluid if the leak is big enough. joaquink's method is the best generally speaking, but you can hear the rpms rise if your using the propane/starting fluid method.
Old 07-24-2003 | 10:34 AM
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Originally posted by Jeff92se
You are nuts?! Starter fluid is the most freakin' flammable thing on earth! I would NOT be spraying ether ON my engine. Use wd40 or something

i have to that... i would not be spraying anything under my hood, especially not starter fluid or even wd40. i guess i am the kind of person that religiously keeps things clean, so that would not do well for me. i am crossing my fingers that i dont have to find a boost leak anytime soon..
Old 07-24-2003 | 12:00 PM
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Re: Another turbo max goes to the track

Originally posted by dafro
Well i just got back from the track tonight and i didn't hit my goal of a high 14 but alot of people where running slow tonight, anyway my best time was:
60'--2.629
330'--6.916
1/8--10.185
mph--76.25
1000'--12.985
1/4--15.362
mph--95.75

Now this may seem slow for a turbocharged maxima butthe track is at 5900 ft. plus i have a bad vacuum leak, I wasn't seeing above 10 hg of vacuum at idle. I was boosting 6psi as well with rear seats removed and spare as well stock 15" steelies. Just for comparison a brand new srt4 was running the exact same times @ 92 and a new 2002 m3 ran 15.2 both stock. also my buddies stock ws6 ran a 15 flat at 93.
hopefully i can get this leak figured out soon and then get my light wieght 17's on there with 235 wide tires and hopefully break into the 14's, traction was tough tonight too.
Ryan
Keep in mind elevation doesn't effect turboed cars nearly as much as it effects an n/a car... and how much boost were you running?

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Old 07-24-2003 | 12:42 PM
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Re: Re: Another turbo max goes to the track

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Keep in mind elevation doesn't effect turboed cars nearly as much as it effects an n/a car... and how much boost were you running?

Bryan

ohh i know it doesn't affect turboed cars as much but when a brand new srt4 runs the same times as I did, i think my times aren't that bad. I also saw a evo 8 run 14.9. i dunno what these cars run at sea level im guessing really low 14 but it gives you an idea of how much altitude affects even turboed cars not as much as n/a though.
Ryan
Old 07-24-2003 | 03:48 PM
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i have to that... i would not be spraying anything under my hood, especially not starter fluid or even wd40. i guess i am the kind of person that religiously keeps things clean, so that would not do well for me. i am crossing my fingers that i dont have to find a boost leak anytime soon..
When Mr Gone was talking about the starter fluid he is not talking about the stuff you use on your charcoal grill. Starting fluid is sold in a spray can and it is basically ethanol/ether (sp) I think and is used to get diesel engines and other non-spark plug engines to fire. It can be sprayed around the intake area and if you had a vac leak it would rev up immediately. It can also be used to seat the bead of a tire if you don't have a cheetah or big compressor. You can just spray the rim of a non seated tire and light it up and boom it will expand immediately. I learned this when helping change a backhow tire once.
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thats what i ran about 2 months ago. 15.3
Old 07-24-2003 | 10:50 PM
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Ryan, i ahve a 5 spd and have run at that track MANY times. I frequent 2.3 60' (or did when I was stock (5spd)). i ahven't been back up since the last time you saw me run 16.0 @ 86. And just so everyone else knows, stock WS6s run mid 13s at this track STOCK with a good driver. High 13s with an "ok driver". Last time I was there a BONE stock down to the paper filter STi ran 13.2. So the other drivers that were there with those cars sucked. Sorry, but even on a bad night that track isn't almost two seconds too slow.
Sounds like you have some tuning issues to take care of (and maybe some practice launching). Turbo'd cars generally (depending upon how fast they run obviously) run about a half second slower up here at Bandimere. You can check out the track and details yourself at www.bandimere.com
Good luck with your car this year Ryan. I'd like to see you into the 14s.

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Old 07-25-2003 | 11:55 AM
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Your 60ft is what is killing you. Altitude doesn't help either. With a trap of 96mph or so, you should be mid to low 14's. 13's are a long shot away unless you trap higher. Now if you had AWD and were cutting 1.7 60fts, then you would be at least a high 13 sec pass. You need more trap speed for a 13 sec pass on a FWD unless you are cutting sub 2.0 60fts.

EVo's are pulling low 13's stock at the tracks I race at.

Have you had your car tuned?
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I thought boosted cars suffered alot less than non boosted cars that high of sealevel?
Old 07-25-2003 | 01:25 PM
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Originally posted by AllGo


When Mr Gone was talking about the starter fluid he is not talking about the stuff you use on your charcoal grill. Starting fluid is sold in a spray can and it is basically ethanol/ether (sp) I think and is used to get diesel engines and other non-spark plug engines to fire. It can be sprayed around the intake area and if you had a vac leak it would rev up immediately. It can also be used to seat the bead of a tire if you don't have a cheetah or big compressor. You can just spray the rim of a non seated tire and light it up and boom it will expand immediately. I learned this when helping change a backhow tire once.
i believe i know the difference between "lighter fluid" and "starter fluid." thank you though.

i was moreso talking about the cleaning aspect and bad it is to spray anything on your engine... let alone all over.
Old 07-25-2003 | 01:41 PM
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i feel like 95 mph is awfully low for a turbo 4th gen. thats what 6spds run stock...
Old 07-25-2003 | 01:45 PM
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Originally posted by Newman
i feel like 95 mph is awfully low for a turbo 4th gen. thats what 6spds run stock...
If he's untuned and only peaking at 6psi, he's probably only putting down 225ish hp/tq.

Tuning and 10+psi will put him where he belongs...12's.
Old 07-25-2003 | 01:58 PM
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Originally posted by Newman
i feel like 95 mph is awfully low for a turbo 4th gen. thats what 6spds run stock...
6 spds won't get near 95 mph at 5800'
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Originally posted by Jeff92se
You are nuts?! Starter fluid is the most freakin' flammable thing on earth! I would NOT be spraying ether ON my engine. Use wd40 or something


That is what many mechanics use. I am not saying it is not flammable, but if used properly there will be no problem.

I have personally used it to find a leak
Old 07-25-2003 | 02:56 PM
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I guess that's all going to depend on how careful I am isn't it?

Originally posted by thebigsadler


i am crossing my fingers that i dont have to find a boost leak anytime soon..
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i dont care what elevation you are at... 2.6 can use some work.
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the car is not tuned yet, and yes i know my 60 ft is killing me hopefully my wider tires will help with the traction off the line. Also jdawg i dunno where you get stock ws6 running mid 13's the guy who owns this one knows everyone on team f-body in colorado, and they are mid to high 14 sec cars up here and low 14 with the 6-speed, his is an automatic. I might be going back within 2 weeks as long as i can figure out where the leak is coming from. I also need to get my s-afc tuned too.
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Originally posted by dafro
the car is not tuned yet, and yes i know my 60 ft is killing me hopefully my wider tires will help with the traction off the line. Also jdawg i dunno where you get stock ws6 running mid 13's the guy who owns this one knows everyone on team f-body in colorado, and they are mid to high 14 sec cars up here and low 14 with the 6-speed, his is an automatic. I might be going back within 2 weeks as long as i can figure out where the leak is coming from. I also need to get my s-afc tuned too.
Ryan

I thought the SRT-4 was running 14's...
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Originally posted by dafro
the car is not tuned yet, and yes i know my 60 ft is killing me hopefully my wider tires will help with the traction off the line. Also jdawg i dunno where you get stock ws6 running mid 13's the guy who owns this one knows everyone on team f-body in colorado, and they are mid to high 14 sec cars up here and low 14 with the 6-speed, his is an automatic. I might be going back within 2 weeks as long as i can figure out where the leak is coming from. I also need to get my s-afc tuned too.
Ryan
For what it is worth, here is a video of my 2.18 60' on 24 pound 17x7 Motegi with Eagle F1s:


Click here: http://www.motorvate.ca/mvp.php/1200 and scroll down to Drag racing videos. It may give you some different ideas on how to launch.

Good Luck!
Frank.
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I thought the SRT-4 was running 14's...
I might have missed it run a 14 sec pass but the one run i did see him run was a 15.3.
Ryan
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