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Old Jun 18, 2005 | 04:23 PM
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Air Tool Setup and Guns..

hey guys i just went out a bought a 30 gallon 150psi compressor from Lowes. It came with a 45 piece tool kit. Well i got to try out the gun yesterday and what a piece of sh*t. I guess thats what you get for free. It was even able to torque off my lugs I was wondering what you all use for guns. I need a new gun to use for why i get my exhaust. What kind of gun/torque rating(??) should i get?

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Old Jun 18, 2005 | 04:47 PM
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thats prob cause it don't have much torque.. if your lug nuts are at 80ft pounds you will need something higher than that...

here is a link to SEARS with a 450ft pound one for 90 bucks..

http://www.sears.com/sr/javasr/produ...tive+Air+Tools

this should do your lug nuts and the exaust you wanna do.....


here are more;

http://www.sears.com/sr/javasr/searc...seBVCookie=Yes

just don't get one with under 100 ft pounds of torque.....
Old Jun 18, 2005 | 06:05 PM
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Here's the one I have, and it's worth every penny:
http://www.sears.com/sr/javasr/produ...tive+Air+Tools

It's made by Ingersoll-Rand, same as their IR-2131 gun. VERY stout, composite handle so it's fairly light (for an impact wrench anyway), and it doesn't get hot when you're working in the driveway in the sun like an all-metal one.
Here's the same thing on their website: http://www.irtools.com/auto/air_impa...cts.asp#IR2131

Go hang around a few exhaust/tire shops and you'll notice that most of them use this gun or the IR version of it. only difference is the chrome part is either non-chrome or it's plated black on the IR models.


It's rather expensive, but trust me, it's WELL worth it! I haven't found a bolt yet that I couldn't break loose with it.
Old Jun 18, 2005 | 07:35 PM
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This is all you need, I picked it up for $120.00 I have not ran into anything it has backed down from yet and dont know if I will. I have done suspension, trans swaps and stripped down a 460 and boat with it, no problem.



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Old Jun 18, 2005 | 07:47 PM
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at the land rover shop i work at we use snap-on and matco
im so spoiled
hah
and we have like a 500 gallon tank in the back hooked up putting out like 190 psi on demand air

ive got it made huh?
Old Jun 18, 2005 | 07:49 PM
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at the land rover shop i work at we use snap-on and matco
im so spoiled
hah
and we have like a 500 gallon tank in the back hooked up putting out like 190 psi on demand air

ive got it made huh?
No, you've got it made if you have that set up at your house and it is yours.
Old Jun 18, 2005 | 08:01 PM
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I bought a set made by GoodYear for 42.00. It had the larger 1/2" impact wrench and the smaller 3/8" wrench. I rarely take my tires off so I couldn't justify spending more. It's rated at 500lbs. or torque. Do a search on Ebay Goodyear impact wrench Featuring a powerful twin hammer clutch mechanism
Heavy duty 1/2" impact wrench delivers over 500 ft. lbs. of maximum torque
Powerful twin hammer clutch mechanism
Six torque settings-forward and reverse
Comfortable shock absorbing grip
Handle exhaust
Variable speed tease trigger
Applications include tire and wheel work, transmissions, suspension, shock, frame, engine work, spark plugs, water and fuel pumps, exhaust systems and transmissions
Sockets and drive tools are made from heat treated chrome vanadium for strength and durability
Meets or exceeds A.N.S.I. specs.
Old Jun 19, 2005 | 12:54 AM
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SNAP ON BISHS!!!!. also got an 80 gallon tank putting out i think 160psi, maybe 180, idk, the thing is like 10 years old hahaha.
Old Jun 19, 2005 | 06:02 AM
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Originally Posted by sean05
hey guys i just went out a bought a 30 gallon 150psi compressor from Lowes. It came with a 45 piece tool kit. Well i got to try out the gun yesterday and what a piece of sh*t. I guess thats what you get for free.
I assume this unit has an adjustable outlet pressure regulator. Do you have that cranked right up?
I have a real cheap Campbell Hausfield setup where they threw in the airtools for "free". I have used the 1/2" impact gun on lug nuts, crank pulleys and wheel bearing nuts (200+ ft-lbs) and never had a problem.
Old Jun 19, 2005 | 05:14 PM
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ya i got it cranked up. I think the gun is just crap. I need to get my hands on one of my uncles snap ons. I need to just spend the money on a real gun.
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http://www.thetoolwarehouse.net/shop/CP-741.html what u think about that gun? Ill have to go stop by home depot. thanks dmontzsta and Matt93SE
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HELP please reply quick, has any1 ever heard of Aircat?





only 130...

what you all think
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I say get whatever you can afford, but MAKE SURE it has a lifetime warranty, that way you can always bring it back, it sucks to keep buying the cheapies over and over.
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I'm looking to pick up an air compressor for diy car work at home.

can anyoen tell me what exactly the size and PSI numbers mean? and what about adjustable pressure etc ?
Basically in a nutshell what should i get ?


pleease school this Air tools n00b.


Thanks
Old Jun 20, 2005 | 03:27 PM
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i got the craftsman 30 gallon, you can get it from sears for 300 or so dollars, it comes with a free kit. If you want to work on your car, youll need to go with a decent sized compressor, a 30 gallon compressor will get the job done easily. Basically the bigger the longer itll keep pressure, the longer your tools will operate to your liking. The psi is how much pressure you have most larger compressors have a high pressure capability. The craftsman i have has a scale on what tools can be effectively used with it.
Old Jun 20, 2005 | 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Kevin
I'm looking to pick up an air compressor for diy car work at home.

can anyoen tell me what exactly the size and PSI numbers mean? and what about adjustable pressure etc ?
Basically in a nutshell what should i get ?


pleease school this Air tools n00b.


Thanks
Most (home) compressors are around 150-175PSI max, tools only operate at 90psi, so that additional pressure is mainly just a buffer. Generally the higher pressure tank pressure you have the longer you can go between the compressor has to cycle. Tank size also effects that. I'd get around a 30 gallon. Dont bother with those mini kick around setups

The flow ratings on the compressor show how much and how fast it can pump air at a given PSI. Most impact wrenches and such will use more CFM than a pump can put out which is why there is a tank (also the higher the pressure the more air you can put into that tank and you dont want to run the motor the entire time).

http://www.sears.com/sr/javasr/produ...ab=spe#tablink
thats the compressor I have. It has kept up good. Only time I've had to really wait for it is when I do porting and such or using the impact wrench for really long periods of time.
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Settle for no less...
Old Jun 23, 2005 | 03:51 AM
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Originally Posted by dmontzsta
[IMG]http://www.dmontzsta.com/MiscStuff/Projects/AirCompressor/100_2920.jpg[IMG]

Settle for no less...
Than what? those busted old floor jacks?

Honestly there is nothing mine hasn't been able to tackle and I've done everything from painting to clutches to porting and I'm quite a fast worker.
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Than what? those busted old floor jacks?

Honestly there is nothing mine hasn't been able to tackle and I've done everything from painting to clutches to porting and I'm quite a fast worker.
haha, those floor jacks still work well...I use them for all kinds of ****, but I mainly use my craftsman 3 ton it is the ****.

What kind of compressor do you have? I know when I run **** like die grinders the one I have always kicks on pretty quick.
Old Jun 23, 2005 | 07:15 AM
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Originally Posted by dmontzsta
haha, those floor jacks still work well...I use them for all kinds of ****, but I mainly use my craftsman 3 ton it is the ****.

What kind of compressor do you have? I know when I run **** like die grinders the one I have always kicks on pretty quick.
just the 6hp 30gallon 150psi max craftsmen

yeah, the compressor will run but the tank pressure wont drop below 105psi
Old Jun 27, 2005 | 12:41 AM
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You'll pay premium prices for a Snap-On or Matco impact wrench but Ingersoll-Rand makes the best ones you can buy, period. Ask any mechanic and they'll tell you the same (some of the old timers may say Chicago Pneumatic, but anyone else will surely say to go IR. (Hand tools on the other hand you can't go wrong with Snap-On).

I work in a shop and use an Ingersoll-Rand 2135TI. It has a composite body mated to a titanium alloy and weighs under 4 pounds. It's also a bit quieter than most other impacts which is nice.

Rated torque is 700 ft pounds with a NBT (nut breaking torque) of 1000 ft pounds. You'll be hard pressed to find an impact with a higher torque rating for even twice the price of what I paid for this impact wrench ($204 shipped brand new off ebay). Just thought I'd share
Old Jun 27, 2005 | 08:02 AM
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I work at Home Depot and i'll be the first to say HUSKY TOOLS SUCK(Home Depot's tool line).
Old Jun 27, 2005 | 08:28 AM
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DO NOT BUY A COMPRESSOR ON PSI AND TANK SIZE....know the CFM rating on your compressor and determine what CFM the tools that you want to use are pushing.

rocking IR 2131 here
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most off the techs here at work swear by IR impact guns.
snapon makes the best air rachets.

i run my craftman compressor at 125psi. @90psi air tools don't do squat at least with those craftman compressors.

i have a IR 1/2 drive impact gun old hand me down from a buddy of mine still works strong.

my 3/8 drive is a snapon composite gun this thing kicks @ss i love it. i dare say its stronger than the ir composite gun. duarbility is yet to be seen ill see whats up after a few years off use from our techs.
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i got the 30gallon craftsman compressor too. bought it few months ago from sears and it came with a 250lb/ft impact wrench, ratchet, and hammer, and some sh!tty hose. the thing is loud as hell when its running. other than that its been great.
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I'm a tech over at a Acura dealer, and for air tools I stay IR. Matco and Cornwell tools both use re-badged or custom made to their specs shells but on the inside its all IR. I use the 2135TI and I also have a older Matco impact thats is bout 8 years old now (since I bought it new) its all IR on the inside and composite body. Works great and is a great impact as a back up. The 2135TI is one awesome gun, its light, very quiet and verrrry durrable- even thou it looks like its plastic. I have dropped mine from 10 feet in the air on the floor at one time thinking its going to crack, it just got a scratch on it.

For air ratchets I use IRs dual speed composite body 3/8 drive, it beats any other air ratchet on the market, I love it cause its really fast. I got other assortment of IR 1/4" drive air impact and ratchets and 3/8s guns. I try to keep 2 of everything in case it breaks on me. In the last 8 years or so I have yet to have any issues with IR tools and I oil them ever week or 2 since our air compressor has its own oiling system and little bit of oil is mixed with the air to lubricate the tools 300 gallon tank with 2 15HP motors on each runing 480v through it. I don't have any tools at home since I keep everything in my Matco hotdog stand size tool box and do all my car work at the shop I plan on opening up a shop sometime soon and I'm looking at a few high CFM high pressure large compressors and Rotary lifts.

I broke quite a few SnapOn air ratchets in half, and I do not like their air impacts.
IR makes the best air tools hands down.
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The IR 2135Ti is King. I have one and I hate using anything else.


There is also nothing like a Rotary Lift.
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The IR 2135Ti is King. I have one and I hate using anything else.


There is also nothing like a Rotary Lift.
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The lift height on the standard ones sucks though. Don't buy one unless you get 1' or 2' extenders.
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I'm not that tall and I find the maximum height just perfect for all my needs, I don't work on many hard core SUVs that are really high. But I know what you mean. Eighter way I got a pretty decent deal on the lifts, guy wants 1900 for each standard lift and that is not installed, if I buy 3 he will install all 3 of them for 700 dollars total which is not too bad.
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ok...so all you experts, what CFM , Tank size and PSI should I buy? I want to to able to do tires, brakes and suspension. let me know, thanks
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ok...so all you experts, what CFM , Tank size and PSI should I buy? I want to to able to do tires, brakes and suspension. let me know, thanks
If you are not doing painting,polishing or porting and just using it for working on cars. You should be fine with one of the Craftsman $250 deals, they are more than enough for that. 30 gallon tank is plenty.
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what do you all think of this one? was thinking about picking it up this weekend

http://www.sears.com/sr/javasr/produ...+%26+Inflators
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I am not 100% sure but I think it is one of the louder ones.

That should be perfect for working on cars.
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Anything that runs on 110-120 is going to be frikin annoying. And note that the "hp" rating is NOT of the electric motor. A 20 amp 120 volt circuit only equals 3.2 gross hp, and most of your home circuits are 15 amps (2.4hp).
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Most (home) compressors are around 150-175PSI max, tools only operate at 90psi, so that additional pressure is mainly just a buffer. Generally the higher pressure tank pressure you have the longer you can go between the compressor has to cycle. Tank size also effects that. I'd get around a 30 gallon. Dont bother with those mini kick around setups

The flow ratings on the compressor show how much and how fast it can pump air at a given PSI. Most impact wrenches and such will use more CFM than a pump can put out which is why there is a tank (also the higher the pressure the more air you can put into that tank and you dont want to run the motor the entire time).

http://www.sears.com/sr/javasr/produ...ab=spe#tablink
thats the compressor I have. It has kept up good. Only time I've had to really wait for it is when I do porting and such or using the impact wrench for really long periods of time.


How do you like this ?? I was looking at the 33 Gal one with the 6hp motor on top that come with all the tools already ??


Is this all I need to work on my car and get by alright ??
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with the 6hp motor on top
Read one post above yours.
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Originally Posted by matty
[IMG]http://content.sears.com/data/product_images/009/16731/00916731000-dlv.jpg[IMG]

How do you like this ?? I was looking at the 33 Gal one with the 6hp motor on top that come with all the tools already ??


Is this all I need to work on my car and get by alright ??
it's loud but will do pretty much you will need it for in the garage.
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Air tools are one thing...the sockets that go on them are another. I'm assuming you can't simply use a standard Craftsman 3/8" drive socket with an impact gun?
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Air tools are one thing...the sockets that go on them are another. I'm assuming you can't simply use a standard Craftsman 3/8" drive socket with an impact gun?
The impact sockets I have are made for impact guns, and are 1/2 inch drive. You can use Craftsman 1/2 inch drive sockets too, they are replaced for free if they bust.



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