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Old Feb 20, 2006 | 06:49 PM
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purple fog FTW!!!!!!!


Damn H4xORz!!!!!!!!11!!!!11111111111111!!!!!
Old Feb 20, 2006 | 10:15 PM
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Originally Posted by bijangxe
I dont really understand the 2nd chart yet...
Imagine the first colorband to be how you perceive the color during the night (or indoors) where "white" appears to be ~3200K, and the second to be how you perceive it during the day (or outdoors) where "white" appears closer to 5500K. (obviously the first one will be more relevant to a car's light...)
Old Feb 20, 2006 | 11:15 PM
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ya morpheus, i agree with ur ratings !
Old Feb 21, 2006 | 08:23 AM
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Nice work morpheus...finally another sane person.lol..10-12k VIP and you'll be OK
Old Feb 21, 2006 | 08:41 AM
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Does the 4th gen need a mini-H3 bulb? If not, there a re plenty of HID kits in regular H3 and 12,000K
Old Feb 21, 2006 | 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by bijangxe
I know youre not comparing a Max to a Civic....
You can call it sh!tty if you want, maybe in the Civic......

Mine used to be perfect. Yea some glare towards oncoming drivers, but light output color in dry and rain were magnificent.
I have only seen 12000k on riced out civics.


Also this may be easier for to understand:
(All information was taken from HIDPLANET.COM)
1500 k Candlelight
2700-2900 k Yellow painted fog halogen bulbs
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Yellowish white:
3200 k Sunrise/sunset
3200 k Premium H7 non painted halogen bulb
3400 k 1 hour from dusk/dawn
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White:
4100 k Philips/Osram OEM HID D2S
5500 k Bright sunny daylight around noon
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Blueish white
5500-5600 k Electronic photo flash
6000 k Philips Ultinon HID D2S
6500-7500 k Overcast sky
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Blue:
9000-12000 k Blue sky
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Purple:
28000 Northern sky
12000-30000 k Ultra Violet light (black light)




I dunno, but these photos seem pretty dark to me.

Now real light output and a little PURPLE.


Both pictures used 4300k bulbs
Old Feb 21, 2006 | 11:24 AM
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I like that 4300k . One day, One day. For right now its out of my budget.
Old Feb 21, 2006 | 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by SixxOne
I have only seen 12000k on riced out civics.


Also this may be easier for to understand:
(All information was taken from HIDPLANET.COM)
1500 k Candlelight
2700-2900 k Yellow painted fog halogen bulbs
-------------------------------
Yellowish white:
3200 k Sunrise/sunset
3200 k Premium H7 non painted halogen bulb
3400 k 1 hour from dusk/dawn
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White:
4100 k Philips/Osram OEM HID D2S
5500 k Bright sunny daylight around noon
----------------
Blueish white
5500-5600 k Electronic photo flash
6000 k Philips Ultinon HID D2S
6500-7500 k Overcast sky
-----------------
Blue:
9000-12000 k Blue sky
-----------------
Purple:
28000 Northern sky
12000-30000 k Ultra Violet light (black light)




I dunno, but these photos seem pretty dark to me.

Now real light output and a little PURPLE.


Both pictures used 4300k bulbs
We're talking about stock fog lights here. You're not going to get projector like output with foglights, and no matter what Kelvin rating you put in them, they're not going to do much except look nice when you turn them on.

Purple fogs ain't my style either (hell, purple anything), but that doesn't mean I gotta go around trying to convert everyone to 4300K. Most people already know that the higher the Kelvin scale, the less output you get.

P.S. nice paintjob, ya f*cker.
Old Feb 21, 2006 | 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Karim
8k is a deep blue from what i've noticed. If you want purple, taht's about 10k
Karim, or should we say Phil Collins , has it right.

A lot of "experts" on this thread all of a sudden.

Morpheus, before you proclaim yourself the Google-expert that everyone thinks you to be, have you ever sold an HID kit? Have you installed more than 1000 of them? Have you experience with 30 different HID kits?

Until you do, don't make yourself look Google-smart . And don't ever make dumb assertions about us. We all like money, but unlike you, I don't like to mislead my customers and want nothing but the best for them.
Old Feb 21, 2006 | 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by MorpheusZero
We're talking about stock fog lights here. You're not going to get projector like output with foglights, and no matter what Kelvin rating you put in them, they're not going to do much except look nice when you turn them on.

Purple fogs ain't my style either (hell, purple anything), but that doesn't mean I gotta go around trying to convert everyone to 4300K. Most people already know that the higher the Kelvin scale, the less output you get.

P.S. nice paintjob, ya f*cker.
I was just trying to point out the light output.

Paint job? What are you talking about? My mirrors ?

D2S > D2R
Old Feb 21, 2006 | 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by SixxOne
I was just trying to point out the light output.

Paint job? What are you talking about? My mirrors ?

D2S > D2R
Nah I know, and I agree with you, but you aren't going to get any noticeable output from stock fogs, no matter what you put in them short of a nuclear bomb. They're just aesthetically pleasing. And yeah, projectors pwn, but that's old news. =P

Originally Posted by umnitza
Karim, or should we say Phil Collins , has it right.

A lot of "experts" on this thread all of a sudden.

Morpheus, before you proclaim yourself the Google-expert that everyone thinks you to be, have you ever sold an HID kit? Have you installed more than 1000 of them? Have you experience with 30 different HID kits?

Until you do, don't make yourself look Google-smart . And don't ever make dumb assertions about us. We all like money, but unlike you, I don't like to mislead my customers and want nothing but the best for them.
I do use Google. I like Google. Google allows you to get information from people who aren't trying to sell you their product. You've got to admit that if you don't sell anything above 6000K, someone asks you what would be nice and PURPLE and you say 6000K will do the trick, you're misinforming them for the purpose of snagging another sale. You could say maybe "6000K is the closest to purple that we have" and you'd be helping out, but in this circumstance the assertion I made was entirely rational. If you went to a Subaru dealership, asked for something that could solidly outrun an Enzo without modifications and the salesperson said "oh then you want our WRX STi," you'd have to agree then that they'd be misinforming you for the cause of commission, right? Sure, an STi is fast, but it just will NOT outrun an Enzo, unless you're taking it to a rally.

Oh yeah... I don't HAVE any customers. I'm not in SALES. So it would be pretty much impossible to mislead them now, wouldn't it?

I really don't care who buys from you. And honestly, I would buy from you before I got one of the "Helios" kits. But you misinformed someone and I set it straight, it really doesn't go any further than that. If you're angry that I can use Google to explain what you failed to (okay, I wasn't exactly uninformed on the subject beforehand) then maybe you should take up an argument with Google on why they should be less informative.

Have a good day, sir, and enjoy your bimmer. I'd have one if I could afford it.
Old Feb 21, 2006 | 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by MorpheusZero
I do use Google. I like Google. Google allows you to get information from people who aren't trying to sell you their product. You've got to admit that if you don't sell anything above 6000K, someone asks you what would be nice and PURPLE and you say 6000K will do the trick, you're misinforming them for the purpose of snagging another sale.

You're definitely not smarter than you look j/k 6000K IS a bit purplish. 8000K is bluish. So, yes, you ARE misinforming them. Depending on the kit you buy, almost all of them are purplish at 6000K. Stop arguing without facts. Just cause you can Google something doesn't mean you know it.

You could say maybe "6000K is the closest to purple that we have" and you'd be helping out, but in this circumstance the assertion I made was entirely rational.
[b]Wrong. Purple is 12000K, but guess what? It becomes LAVENDER at that point. How do I know? Meh, call it testing.

Do me a favor, tell me how good you are, pick out the Kelvin in this picture:


If you went to a Subaru dealership, asked for something that could solidly outrun an Enzo without modifications and the salesperson said "oh then you want our WRX STi," you'd have to agree then that they'd be misinforming you for the cause of commission, right?
Sure, an STi is fast, but it just will NOT outrun an Enzo, unless you're taking it to a rally.

First, I don't go to Subaru dealerships. Second, I don't ask about Enzos. Third, don't argue points out of left field...let me explain it another way - IT HAS NO RELEVANCE. And, Finally, I don't have any inclination to go rally racing. I can explain it better but it's not worth the time for either of us at this point on how you could have made it more of a parallel discussion.

Oh yeah... I don't HAVE any customers. I'm not in SALES. So it would be pretty much impossible to mislead them now, wouldn't it?

So, just because you didn't BUILD the bridge, means you can tell people about the construction of the bridge? You didn't sell the product, but suddenly you're an expert? How could you mislead them? Let me count the multitude of ways just on this thread. The road to hell is paved with good intentions. NO one is arguing the good in your heart, but the heart doesn't work on facts. You're obviously well-intentioned, but be VERY careful what information you put out. You're just wrong here.

I really don't care who buys from you. And honestly, I would buy from you before I got one of the "Helios" kits.

And that my friend is why we're having a fun banter here. Keep it in good fun.
But you misinformed someone and I set it straight, it really doesn't go any further than that.

Again, try not to make blanket assessments. I do this for a living, you don't.

If you're angry that I can use Google to explain what you failed to (okay, I wasn't exactly uninformed on the subject beforehand) then maybe you should take up an argument with Google on why they should be less informative.

Do a search for 50 ways to fry a frog and you'll get 80000 answers - which one is right? Don't know? Time's up? Give up? Who do you ask? Does the search engine know what the right answer is? Or what someone pays it to show you? Google-smart is not really that smart.

Have a good day, sir, and enjoy your bimmer. I'd have one if I could afford it.
Bimmers are surprisingly inexpensive. You can pick up a 98 M3 for 14-18K.
I would have bought a
Only they didn't make an independent suspension when I was looking.
Old Feb 21, 2006 | 10:19 PM
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so 6k or 12 ???
Old Feb 21, 2006 | 10:40 PM
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Originally Posted by umnitza
Bimmers are surprisingly inexpensive. You can pick up a 98 M3 for 14-18K.
I would have bought a
Only they didn't make an independent suspension when I was looking.

In regards to the picture:
In groups of 2 horizontally:

3000K, 4300K
5000K, 6000K -- BLUE!
8000K, 8000K
10000K, either 3000K or 4300K

But then again, the white balance of the camera could be way off, and I think you posted this with respective color temps somewhere around here as well, meaning I could potentially "cheat." And on top of all that, I don't see where this is relevant.

The Subaru thing has absolute relevance--a customer asks for something of a certain specification and they are presented with something of much lesser specification. Though it may be as close to the specification that they asked for, it won't do the job.

I neither intend to or enjoy misleading people, and I haven't.

Personally I would rather use Google to look up a few reputable scientific websites than take a vendor's word for it... and there are many many ways to fry a frog.

I know how low the market price for E36s is, and while it's tempting, there's also the potential upkeep and the insurance. I got pretty lucky finding a Max in as good condition as I did. Wish I could do away with The Beam though.
Old Feb 22, 2006 | 10:02 AM
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Look if you want pure purple get any kit that like 12K and up.
Old Feb 22, 2006 | 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by VIP Maxima
so 6k or 12 ???
Originally Posted by SixxOne
Also this may be easier for to understand:
(All information was taken from HIDPLANET.COM)
1500 k Candlelight
2700-2900 k Yellow painted fog halogen bulbs
-------------------------------
Yellowish white:
3200 k Sunrise/sunset
3200 k Premium H7 non painted halogen bulb
3400 k 1 hour from dusk/dawn
-------------------------------
White:
4100 k Philips/Osram OEM HID D2S
5500 k Bright sunny daylight around noon
----------------
Blueish white
5500-5600 k Electronic photo flash
6000 k Philips Ultinon HID D2S
6500-7500 k Overcast sky
-----------------
Blue:
9000-12000 k Blue sky
-----------------
Purple:
28000 Northern sky
12000-30000 k Ultra Violet light (black light)
I thought this got rid of the guessing???
Old Feb 22, 2006 | 11:56 AM
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i guess not.........
Old Feb 22, 2006 | 12:22 PM
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Hahahah, just get 12K or so, you should be fine. If 6000K is at all purple, it's going to be something barely noticeable. You want something really purple, right? Doubt you want your fogs to be whiter than your headlights.

Oh, and sorry about the jackage. =(
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10-12k it is !
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12k? why bother with HID if you just want purple and now light output
mad cheap at only $15.99 y0!!
Old Feb 22, 2006 | 06:20 PM
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Originally Posted by NismoMax80
12k? why bother with HID if you just want purple and now light output
mad cheap at only $15.99 y0!!
Think the idea here is that it's still brighter than halogen... Purple tinted halogen fogs with a 6000K HID kit would look really dim/cheap/ghetto.
Old Feb 23, 2006 | 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by MorpheusZero
Think the idea here is that it's still brighter than halogen... Purple tinted halogen fogs with a 6000K HID kit would look really dim/cheap/ghetto.
12000k will barely be brighter than halogen. Not worth the 200-300 bucks.
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why not just get halogens then?
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Originally Posted by SixxOne
12000k will barely be brighter than halogen. Not worth the 200-300 bucks.
Don't be a moron, if one were to get a 12000k HID kit and a bulb that was similarly tinted, the HID would be significantly brighter. Why are you comparing a 12000K HID to a stock halogen bulb when he said in the thread TITLE that he wants purple fogs?
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Originally Posted by MorpheusZero
Don't be a moron, if one were to get a 12000k HID kit and a bulb that was similarly tinted, the HID would be significantly brighter. Why are you comparing a 12000K HID to a stock halogen bulb when he said in the thread TITLE that he wants purple fogs?
In terms of lumens, 12000K is still 2x brighter than halogen, so Morpheus is right on this one.
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What gives you the right to use that word to someone else when you don't even know what you're talking about?

Do you know what the variables would be to make a halogen bulb act just like the 12K HID kit?

Morpheus, you know very little, stop trying to show it off.
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Originally Posted by n3985
In terms of lumens, 12000K is still 2x brighter than halogen, so Morpheus is right on this one.
Wrong.

Depending on the Halogen bulb (H1 produce 1500 lumens) a 12000K is only about 1600 lumens.

If we overdrive an H7, H1 to 80W, then it will be 1800 lumens.
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Originally Posted by umnitza
Wrong.

Depending on the Halogen bulb (H1 produce 1500 lumens) a 12000K is only about 1600 lumens.

If we overdrive an H7, H1 to 80W, then it will be 1800 lumens.
But Maxima fogs are 35W H3 from the factory, regardless, 12,000K HID IS brighter than that halogen bulb agreed?
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i believe 4th gen's run 55 watt h3
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Originally Posted by VIP Maxima
i believe 4th gen's run 55 watt h3
Oh....
Old Feb 28, 2006 | 08:53 AM
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Originally Posted by MorpheusZero
Don't be a moron, if one were to get a 12000k HID kit and a bulb that was similarly tinted, the HID would be significantly brighter. Why are you comparing a 12000K HID to a stock halogen bulb when he said in the thread TITLE that he wants purple fogs?
Knowledge > you

Also let me take a look at the title again... it says "Purple Fogs: Post Pics !!!" And yes he wants purple HIDs, but I am trying to tell him it is a waste of money.
Originally Posted by umnitza
Wrong.

Depending on the Halogen bulb (H1 produce 1500 lumens) a 12000K is only about 1600 lumens.

If we overdrive an H7, H1 to 80W, then it will be 1800 lumens.
I am glad someone knows what they are talking about, rather just making a guess.

Originally Posted by n3985
But Maxima fogs are 35W H3 from the factory, regardless, 12,000K HID IS brighter than that halogen bulb agreed?
Slightly brighter. But is it worth the extra 200 dollars for slightly brighter PURPLE HIDs.
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From a lumen to dollar ratio, it isn't worth the money, but then again, so is half the stupid mods I see people putting on their cars around here, so it boils down to preference I guess.
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Originally Posted by MorpheusZero
Think the idea here is that it's still brighter than halogen... Purple tinted halogen fogs with a 6000K HID kit would look really dim/cheap/ghetto.
And 8000k, 10000k, and 12000k HID bulbs DONT look dim/cheap/ghetto?
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just to throw this out there, if your not set on HID's, www.luminicsbulbs.com does have some violet colored bulbs. I had terrible customer service and most people had a bad experience so i am not recommending them but there is an option. Also, are you looking for a purple beam, or just a purple colored housing light? Cause if you were to take white halogen bulbs and add soem purple LED's to the housing, if might create a purple effect in the housing but there wouldn't be a purple beam on the road. It might not work but I thought i've seen it before.
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im lookin for purple beam. i already tried the luminics. they are a POS, they blew within a month and looked nothing near purple. was straight stock-ish color
Old Mar 1, 2006 | 02:07 PM
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i was looking to get 8000 k i think would be nice
Old Mar 2, 2006 | 10:23 PM
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a quick preview of whats about to come soon



now yall know why i want purple fogs
Old Mar 3, 2006 | 11:07 AM
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12k? why bother with HID if you just want purple and now light output
mad cheap at only $15.99 y0!!
That would look pretty sick
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