when I went to loosen them with my breaker bar, 1/2" to 3/8" adapter, and gorilla 3/4" socket, the adapter snapped! I have no clue why they're torquing the lugs up to I'm gonna guess 140# plus....lucky I just used a 3/4" socket instead that was 1/2" drive to begin with. Torqued the lugs back to 85.....

 

they do that so when they torque the hell out of them they warp your rotors so you can come back and have them do more work ,all there employee work on a commission more work they do bigger the paycheck

 

They just don't pay attention and use the air gun to put them back on...

The air guns are capable of crazy torque and they over torque a lug nut in no time.

 

This girl I dated a few years back got tires from the local tire place and when she was at the Mercedes Dealer they went to rotate her wheels and they could not get them off, even with air guns set to the highest output, they eventually had to cut them off and the tire place paid for all the replacement parts even new rims, I guess when you use 1000plus pounds of force on aluminum threads it all just molds together.

She had to go to court before the place would pay but it was a clear cut case

 

Midas sucks, don't go there. Meineke is my own personal enemy, but my roomate had terrible experience with Midas.

 

1 should never go to a chain retail location, way to many things can get confused from 1 make to another,

 

Take the car back there and hand them the factory lug wrench. tell them to remove the lugnuts with it..
when they can't, make them pay someone else to replace all of your wheel studs, because they've obviously been overtoruqed and there's no telling if/when they will fail... and when they do fail, it's usually catastrophically. something like this..
http://www.hart-photography.com/phot...48&gal_page=11

 

Ouch....I hope they're not damaged. Maybe the fact that I could get them off with my breaker bar going directly into a 1/2" drive socket means it's ok.....the reason for the 1/2" to 3/8" adapter is the Gorilla socket the Tire Rack sent me years ago is 3/8" drive.....

 

that 3/8" drive socket probably has a breaking strength somewhere in the 250ft lb neighborhood.
you'd be surprised just how "loose" that 90ft lb is. even my wife can easily get the lugnuts off her car using a regular breaker bar, and she's a wuss.

 

i broke a 3/8" adapter piece when i was taking off pulley for an UDP. but ya, 90lbs our lugnuts are supposed to be torqued at isn't all that much.


btw, midas sucks.

 

Stand on the lug-nut wrench.

 

Why did you take your car to Midas?

 

man i had the same problem with my moms car...took it to the dealer for a recall... they torqued them so much that when she go a flat tire, all the studs broke off from the hub when i tried to remove the wheel.... i took it to ford they didnt take responsibility for it....

 

 

On these new rims I just received, the lug nuts are non-standard, but made by Gorilla. They have little grooves in the side of them, and so the adapter that the Tire Rack provided has little male grooves to fit the nuts. Then, there is some sort of hex, of which size I haven't determined yet.

If a tire shop were to use the adapter and crank the nuts up to the torque they did my current ones, I can see this adapter breaking. Then I don't know how the rim would come off, because the nuts are small and they go deep into the holes in the rim--i.e., they are recessed. That could be a disaster.

I asked someone today why a shop would do that, and my buddy told me they don't touch the setting on the compressor. So when they want to take something off, they have the pressure way up. When they tighten, they don't reduce it.....lazy!

 

Lesson learned. Don’t let ANYONE touch your car!!!

Case in point.
I had my old 3rd gen in to Jiffy Lube for a quick flush and oil change. All seemed well after I had to show the monkey where to find the transmission dip stick. I jumped outside for a quick cigarette, returned to pay up and drive off.

Later that day, on the way to work it was raining quite hard. I had a full car of passengers. Through the city streets we went, when of course, Mrs. minivan decides to come to a complete stop in the middle of an intersection with a green light. And what’s this?! No breaks. I slowly slide into the rear of her "freshly painted" rear end. No real damage, she only had the signature bolt marks from my license plate in her rear bumper. But I was confused as to what had gone wrong. I wasn’t driving too fast, my breaks work fine, tires had plenty of tread....

Only later that week during my weekly car checkup did I discover what had gone wrong. The ******* at jiffy lube pumped up my tires to 49PSI!!!! when I wasn’t looking. For those not familiar, the recommended tire pressure for 3rd gen on stock tires is 32-34 psi.

If you must let someone else work on your car, supervise them. Unless they are someone you are willing to trust your life with. Luckily in my case the accident happend in the city at low speeds. Had I been on the highway, such an unexpected changed in emergency breaking performance could have cost me my life and possibly others as well.

So I will reiterate. Don’t let ANYONE touch your car!!!

 

I just got my tires replaced at Bell Tire and I have the Gorilla locks, they stripped my key out putting them back on, and when I said something about it they basically said they wouldn't do anything. $8.50 later I have a new key, and I hope I can get the wheels off without stripping this key

 

You want to offer advice? OK fair enough.

And then you had this to say? I needed bother reading any further.

 

was Midas the one that did your brakes recently? maybe that is the cause of your brake noise and not the actual pad.

I think alot of these chain tire/brake repair shops are like this. They want to get your car in and out quickly so they can make money and move on. Unfortunately this type of problem is the drawback. I see stripped and overtorqued lugs at my shop ALLL the time.

 

midas sucks! I delivered a pizza there one day and they gave me like, .20 or something for a tip. They ordered about 4 pizzas too.........couldn't even give me some coupons.....sheez......

 

dumba55es... anyone who works around tires knows you should have a pre-torque stick attached to the airgun when mounting tires....oh well...that's midas for you...


which is what you get for listening to tom leykis.

 

Not exactly 100% correct. The way 90% of the impact wrenches work (and I own an IR2135- what most tire shops use), they have adjustable TIGHTENING torque on them, but they only loosen at 100% all the time.. that's one of the first things I check when I get to the tire shop is to go out and check the torque setting on their wrench. if it's turned past "2", then I crank it all the way down right in front of them and set my torque wrench- set to 85ft.lb.- on the ground next to the first tire they pull off. They usually get the hint.

As for those gorilla spline type lugnuts, I've seen them pounded on with several hundred pounds of torque and have used my socket on an impact for over 5 years now with no issues whatsoever. I've seen them split before, but have yet to run into it myself even with heavy impact use-- and you guys know how often my wheels were off while prototyping all those brakes kits and my 3x a month track events!!

 

I leave my 2135Ti on setting 1 and I use a 85 ft. lb torque stick.

 

Good point,
In my defence, at that time I had no place to work on a vehicle (living in apartment).
Needless to say, I started changing my own oil again in an old parking lot around the corner.

 

Very good info for those of us who haven't used air tools!

 

i work at monro and I always use a torque stick. I guess some places just dont care, but I'd rather put the torque stick on the first time rather then have them come back and have there be another problem I have to take care of

 

Local tire service place over torqued my parents wheels. When they took it to Nissan for some service, Nissan was afraid to try to loosen the lugs since they were on there so tight.

Same tire service place just put my rear tires on wrong I didn't realize it until I got home.

 

Jiffy Lube is the devil! I'd rather run on old oil before I go there.

Jiffy Lube will screw you royally. I speak from personal experience after they caused my buddy's 1.5 year old transmission to fail (they serviced it and did not connect the hoses back to it, 10 miles later, blown tranny) and their only response was offering to buy a replacement unit from a junkyard and tell him to sue them if he didn't like that.

http://tharmon.com/jlsforum/

 

In the old days, my dad had a friend who had a Dodge Diplomat slant 6. If you've ever seen those old NYPD Blue episodes like the 1st season or something, that kind of car was on the road as cop cars and taxis. Well, my dad's friend's car had a seized motor, which was unheard of as the slant 6's ran forever. When the AAA flatbed came, the dude said there was no oil in the motor, and who did the last change, Jiffy Lube? Sure enough, on the upper left corner of the windshield there was one of their stickers.....memories....

 

I went into bell tire a couple days ago to talk to them about damaging my lugnuts and also taking the clear coat off the lip on one of my wheels.

The guy was like "oh they'd let me know if they did that to the clear coat, our machines wouldn't do that to the wheel" BS, I know my wheels and the inperfections that are there.

Then I talked to him about my lug nuts and he told me too bad, they get damaged replace them.

So it looks like I'm going to have to talk to someone at their corporate headquaters or something, even with a new key, the lug nuts are so damaged I can barely get them off without them stripping.

 

STAY AWAY from Belle Tire. I bought 4 Turanza LS-Vs for my '03 SE, and they

1. Badly mismounted them.
2. Put little gouges into the rims around the lugs from careless wrenching.
3. Filled the new tires to 45 PSI.
4. Torqued the crap out of the lugs.

The end result was like driving a milk truck down the road. The tires were hopelessly out of balance, even after bringing the pressure down, and rebalancing countless times.

I ended up going to a local Firestone-branded service shop, and they had to replace all 4 Turanzas. Not only did they put the correct PSI in without me asking, they also used a torque stick. I was impressed, all my future tire business is going to those guys.