http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...ticleId=115991

 

welcome to last week... saw it in WSJ last week.

 

well i just learned about it thats why.

 

10char

 

Good thing I have already bought my Nissan... :/ or, is it time to start buying GM cars again?

 

like i said i didnt know it was a repost, as i just learned this just today

 

Yeah, buy your maximas now... when the two companies integrate you can bet a lot of GMs practices will be forced over to Nissan... if GM was smart, they would change THEIR way of doing things to mimick Nissan's.. but who knows what they'll do. All because of the influence of one rich man, a great Japanaese icon could soon crumble to the lows of American car manufacturing practices...

 

blah....its going to be hell is they partner up with GM......i guess gonna have to buy old school nissans and work with those. no more new nissans for me if they agree with GM

 

Can I ask you this? If Nissan is BUYING a part of GM, exactly how is GM going to have one speck of say on anything Nissan??

 

Mercedes bought Chrysler, look what happened to mercedes...

If they're one company, business practices are going to cross over, regardless of who's 'in charge'. Don't get my wrong, I hope the cross-over goes strictly from Nissan into GM, but who knows..

 

What happened to Mercedes???? The last I checked Mercedes isn't doing anything Mercedes doesn't want to do

 

Let's be real...

This undertaking is what is called a "strategic alliance". It doesn't involve any purchase of ownership stakes or anything.. just collaboration on certain products.

Think: mitsubishi+Chrysler
Renault+GM

I am depressed already...

 

maybe it wont be such a bad thing. ive never had any issues with nissan or gm. if they find a happy medium, i say all the more power to em.

 

Article wasn't that long

 

I'm referring to the quality of their cars. Something which has plumetted in the past years since they had their 'hostile takeover' of Chrysler... I'm just make observations based on trends we see when companies merge, or even just 'work together'.

Ultimately, what we'll probably see is sharing of technology. Manufacturers sharing platforms, engines, parts, etc.

 

lower quality cars from Mercedes in the past 10 years had NOTHING to do with taking over Chrysler. and mercedes is going back to QUALITY big time.
and toyota could have bought GM outright, but refused, citing it would be bad for competition and the auto business in general. it would have also brought international issues (real and perceived) to the forefront, and i think they did the right thing.

 

GM owns 3 of the top 5 manufacturing facilities for Quality in North America. GM competes at the highest levels of quality alongside lexus and lincoln(yeah i know this is odd) as having the least number of problems reported per 100 cars produces according to quality surveys. Face it, GM's tanking because of their uninspired designs and aging stagnant upper management. Carlos Ghosn could *****slap GM with cost per car produced, but Nissan would actually have trouble fighting GM with quality. Ideally, technology from Nissan/Renault would pass over to GM and some of the designers would grow a pair and the management would be shaken enough to green-light some of those concepts. and, with Carlos Ghosn running the show at Renault/Nissan, we could start seeing some of the best technology in GM's wings get pushed into all their collective models, like that Gorgeous 6-speed Automatic GM's starting to produce. I really don't see a bad thing to this alliance. Look at when GM partnered with Isuzu Truck, we got the Duramax diesel, which the same year it started production, it got on Ward's 10 best list. . . i see ALOT of potential here folks.

 

bamn everyone is colaboin in the end we all might be driving one type of car brand

crystler+mitsu=DSM
ford+ jaguar
lambo+volkswagen+audi
nissan+renault
mercedes+chrystler (a really old one tho way ack in the day daimler mercedes benz)
maybach+mercedes
RR + bentley

 

Yeah.

I feel like I discovered a time machine.

 

OMG I might have read this already eleventybillion times!

 

wow your special ......do you want a damn cookie?

 

OMG you might partner with a cookie!!

 

It could go a few ways...

Titan would come out with a crew cab dually and duramax diesel.

or

Altima comes with the 3.8 from an 92 Lumina...cough...

 

are you serious? The only real thing that has been keeping the Big 3 afloat is their designs. The cars suck! Granted, the past few years things seem to be takinga turn for the better, and GM DOES have a few model lines which have been proven to be good quality - but lets not generalize a few cars to the companies entire lineup.. They didn't become the world's largest manufacturer by spending lots of money on a quality product. They cut corners and gave people the $10,000 Cavalier. Look at Saab and all their other subsidiaries..

I'm not saying this is an awful company that spits out ****, but there are documented problems with their vehicles. Anyone read consumer reports?

Why do you think Japanese car manufacturers are putting the big 3 out of business?

 

huh? colaboin? is that a new drink? and who's crystler?
its collaborating & Chrylser

 

Mac; ALOT and i mean ALOT of GM's Product portfolio has stale platforms, old-tech engines, and overlapping products that compete with each other in the same segment. The Olds Aurora was the last from-scratch platform GM produced, and it was a hell of a nice platform with a potentially great engine. but instead they put an axe to them along with oldsmobile. I don't blame them for the division cut, that was necessary, but along with it some great things went too. The name 'Oldsmobile' stood for the oldest american automotive brand at 110years. the 4.0L Aurora V8 was used in Indycar racing and was successful. but now we have this;

look at the breakdown:

Trailblazer; Envoy; 9-7x, Rainer
Suburban; Yukon XL; Escalade xxx
Tahoe; Yukon; Escalade
Avalanche; Escalade ESX
Canyon;Colorado
Grand Prix; Lacrosse; Impala
Silverado; Sierra
Equinox; Torrent

Basically, most of these compete at the exact same price point; splitting hairs along the way. this leads to infighting which kills off sales. I worked at a Pontiac/Buick/GMC Truck dealer for a short period during the GM pricing for everyone days, and you know what happened? I lost sales of Envoys that CLEARLY had the nicer interior and better materials WITHIN $200 of a Trailblazer because GM decided that the Trailblazers had 1% BETTER residuals on leasing! What I'm getting at is that i think the current brand portfolio has the ability to survive by establishing clear brand identities(which they're already moving towards) and eliminating some of their competition by moving their trucks into their TRUCK brand (like GMC). You're also missing something else; GM has released of significantly revised over 22 products since late 04. Hopefully we're seeing the end of 15year platform cycles. THAT was what was killing the Big 3. Ford's Mustang was on the damn Fox platform since 1978, and it really wasnt much of a plaform to begin with, what kept that selling was the name, which shows a name still means something. during those stale products aging in their portfolio, the japanese were not only catching them by making bigger cars with fresher designs, they got passed by engine technology and efficiency. now the only way to get a properly efficient american engine is to get the latest incarnation of a 20-50yr old powerplant.at least the the GenIII smallblock was worth keeping around...

 

I'm a GM man first & foremost, GM has it's problems but last time
I checked their pushrod powered Z06 pretty much kick sthe $hit
out of any car that costs less than a half a million dollars...
except the Vette costs $70K and has a user friendly & yet bullet
proof LS7 V8.

If this happens both companies will benefit if they keep parts
sharing & technology transfers to a minimum. Perhaps the Maxima
will be built off the Sigma chassis (platform) and will therefore
finally return to RWD.

 

I work in the auto industry and trust me there's no need to worry. Nissan's will be just the same...and the GMs will actually be better (in other words...built to last more than 10 years). There's nothing wrong with GM though...sure they tend to have more problems at an earlier age than your typical Nissan (I probably do 1 or 2 intake gaskets a week on GM cars in the shop I work in) but I do also own an '83 Chevy C10 pickup and while the body is rotting out it runs 110%.

 

GM makes transmissions for BMW, and BMW does not have transmission problems

This could be great for Nissan/Renault, they get to retool the GM factories that are shut down, they save tons by not having to build new plants, they could work together with distributors, plus use GM money for new developments, it could work out well, Chrysler has improved and they are using MB parts, Mercedes is having electrical/computer problems but that's Mercedes problem and they know they need to fix it, the MB do run great.

It could turn out to be good, maybe some outside help could put GM back on track, do we really need a rebadged vehicle in every division

Im gonna hope for the best

 

[QUOTE=Maxim(a)SerjVQ]Mac;

look at the breakdown:

Trailblazer; Envoy; 9-7x, Rainer
Suburban; Yukon XL; Escalade xxx
Tahoe; Yukon; Escalade
Avalanche; Escalade ESX
Canyon;Colorado
Grand Prix; Lacrosse; Impala
Silverado; Sierra
Equinox; Torrent

QUOTE]

The only thing that makes me chuckle is when we do take a look at the inbreeding. But we have to be careful:

Nissan Armada-Infiniti QX56
Nissan Maxima-Infiniti I30

The rest are a little further off, but I see comparisons like this with all vehicular families. I know that Infiniti leans towards the affluent. But we were comparing GM vs Chevy, and isn't that the same thing or am I just being blonde?

 

I do! I know they had NOTHING but great things to say about the Maxima.

 

Well, Platform sharing is one thing, and it's actually doing wonders for some of GM's products (someone mentioned the Sigma Platform) and the Saabs are coming off the Delta Platform which according to C&D for the 9-3 is coming WITHIN ONE POINT of beating the 3-series bimmers. The Murano and Quest are actually all on the FF-L platform (which is the ALTIMA) and the 350z, G35coupe/sedan, M-series, FX-series are all on the FM platform. This is the biggest reason that Nissan is so successful; they have maybe 5 platforms for both nissan and infiniti. but a VQ with a 6-speed hydromatic in an inexpensive sedan with a sharp-looking quality interior is something i would LOVE and i think with this sort of alliance its QUITE possible.

 

Everyone of you that posts the stupid doom and gloom scenarios should be banned for ignorance. Do yourselves a favor and try to actually read some articles outside of Maxima.org for a change. Soak up someknowledge of the real world and come to a more logical conclusion than 'omg0rz'.

 

Hope for the best an lets assume quality will go up, Chryslers did

 

wtf pointless bump???

 

So, will gm bring nissan down, or will nissan lift gm up?

 

Imagine a Special Edition Mustage GT-R with a turbo rotory engine, pistons, headers and factory intercooler...

LOL...

 

care to elaborate? or are you jsut going to insult people with general ambiguous statements?

 

i like general ambiguous statements, especially when it's a wild exaggeration meant to poke fun at the few people the statement actually applies to

 

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