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Old Jul 18, 2001 | 11:38 PM
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Hey guys, does anyone know if there are any faster sedans around than the Maxima? Maxs are faster than Accord and **** right?
Old Jul 18, 2001 | 11:44 PM
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Umm yea,

E36 M3
M5
any Mercedes with AMG on the butt
Old Jul 19, 2001 | 12:41 AM
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including what was mentioned above,

Audi S4
Audi A6 2.7T & 4.2
Audi A8 4.2 & S8
BMW 330i
BMW 540i Sport
Subaru Impreza WRX
M-B E430
M-B S500, S600
Old Jul 19, 2001 | 12:44 AM
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Originally posted by La Jolla Max
including what was mentioned above,

Audi S4
Audi A6 2.7T & 4.2
Audi A8 4.2 & S8
BMW 330i
BMW 540i Sport
Subaru Impreza WRX
M-B E430
M-B S500, S600
Forgot the upcoming A8 6.0
Old Jul 19, 2001 | 05:53 AM
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How could you forget about the Acura TL-S, its faster!
Old Jul 19, 2001 | 06:33 AM
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What took so long?

How could you forget about the Acura TL-S, its faster!


Too bad you don't own one, sucka!
Old Jul 19, 2001 | 06:33 AM
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How could you forget about the Acura TL-S, its faster!
true and as much as I hate to admit it, the pontiac GTP
Old Jul 19, 2001 | 06:42 AM
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Regal GS
GS400
LS400
volvo s70...not sure if the s60 is?
Old Jul 19, 2001 | 07:40 AM
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This is depressing... I need to get back to work so I can buy a SC
Old Jul 19, 2001 | 07:44 AM
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The question to ask that would have fewer answers is...

Faster sedans for <30k (new off the lot).

This at least narrows down the field.

And I still say that the Grand Prix GTP and 5-spd Max are virtually identical in performance. Now if Pontiac made a 5-spd GTP, then the Max would be in trouble.
Old Jul 19, 2001 | 08:26 AM
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Originally posted by playas33
Regal GS
GS400
LS400
volvo s70...not sure if the s60 is?
dont forget all the new 430's and the volvo T6
Old Jul 19, 2001 | 09:24 AM
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Originally posted by GTNUKE
The question to ask that would have fewer answers is...

Faster sedans for <30k (new off the lot).

This at least narrows down the field.

And I still say that the Grand Prix GTP and 5-spd Max are virtually identical in performance. Now if Pontiac made a 5-spd GTP, then the Max would be in trouble.
Umm, wrong. The only time the 5spd Max can ahng with or move on a GTP is past 100. They put down 240hp and 280tq. Run the 1/4 in mid to low 14's. I know people who've run 14.2 stock. Not often, but a few. I've never seen a GTP in good condition at sealevel run over 15. And with one simple mod, a UDP, they add another 30 hp and can say goodbye to just about any maxima.

But, bad reliability and terrible interiors... Plus no fun in the twisties...
Old Jul 19, 2001 | 09:30 AM
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i believe there are some (German & Japanese) that are faster, but there are certainly none as well rounded.
Old Jul 19, 2001 | 09:44 AM
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Originally posted by Ironlord


Umm, wrong. The only time the 5spd Max can ahng with or move on a GTP is past 100. They put down 240hp and 280tq. Run the 1/4 in mid to low 14's. I know people who've run 14.2 stock. Not often, but a few. I've never seen a GTP in good condition at sealevel run over 15. And with one simple mod, a UDP, they add another 30 hp and can say goodbye to just about any maxima.

But, bad reliability and terrible interiors... Plus no fun in the twisties...
There is only one GTP/GS that ever ran a 14.2 (closer to a 14.3), but the driver never posted a timeslip. Even the GP forum doubts this guys' claim. There have been a few GTPs that have hit 14.6s stock, however after looking at the slips, the conditions were incredible (ultra high baro pressures, ultra low temp and humidity, sticky track). It should be noted that the quickest Maximas, GTPs, F-Bodies, Mustangs, etc mostly reside in the Northeast.

Last year when the GP "Gathering" was in KC, I went to the track and ran a few of them. Only 3 GTPs out of 50+ that were running that night were in the 13s and those 3 GTPs had either NOS, super small pullies (3.0"), and a built motor. The rest of the modified GTPs were in the mid to lower 14s and the stock GTPs were running mid to lower 15s. I was running 14.9s that night with trap speeds that rivaled most of the "pullied" GTPs. As usual, my Maxima's problem was in the 60'. I was getting 2.4s where as they were getting 2.2s.

I don't fear stock GTPs one bit and I'm 50/50 against the pullied GTPs.


Dave
Old Jul 19, 2001 | 12:03 PM
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Experience

Your cool since you speak from hands on experience rather than: assume, live by magazines, what you read on the net etc...

I'm finding lately that most Maxima owners who doubt the Max capabilities do not have a 5spd let alone a y-pipe/intake and/or other mods. Keep on representin'





Originally posted by Dave B


There is only one GTP/GS that ever ran a 14.2 (closer to a 14.3), but the driver never posted a timeslip. Even the GP forum doubts this guys' claim. There have been a few GTPs that have hit 14.6s stock, however after looking at the slips, the conditions were incredible (ultra high baro pressures, ultra low temp and humidity, sticky track). It should be noted that the quickest Maximas, GTPs, F-Bodies, Mustangs, etc mostly reside in the Northeast.

Last year when the GP "Gathering" was in KC, I went to the track and ran a few of them. Only 3 GTPs out of 50+ that were running that night were in the 13s and those 3 GTPs had either NOS, super small pullies (3.0"), and a built motor. The rest of the modified GTPs were in the mid to lower 14s and the stock GTPs were running mid to lower 15s. I was running 14.9s that night with trap speeds that rivaled most of the "pullied" GTPs. As usual, my Maxima's problem was in the 60'. I was getting 2.4s where as they were getting 2.2s.

I don't fear stock GTPs one bit and I'm 50/50 against the pullied GTPs.


Dave
Old Jul 19, 2001 | 03:49 PM
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Originally posted by Dave B


There is only one GTP/GS that ever ran a 14.2 (closer to a 14.3), but the driver never posted a timeslip. Even the GP forum doubts this guys' claim. There have been a few GTPs that have hit 14.6s stock, however after looking at the slips, the conditions were incredible (ultra high baro pressures, ultra low temp and humidity, sticky track). It should be noted that the quickest Maximas, GTPs, F-Bodies, Mustangs, etc mostly reside in the Northeast.

Last year when the GP "Gathering" was in KC, I went to the track and ran a few of them. Only 3 GTPs out of 50+ that were running that night were in the 13s and those 3 GTPs had either NOS, super small pullies (3.0"), and a built motor. The rest of the modified GTPs were in the mid to lower 14s and the stock GTPs were running mid to lower 15s. I was running 14.9s that night with trap speeds that rivaled most of the "pullied" GTPs. As usual, my Maxima's problem was in the 60'. I was getting 2.4s where as they were getting 2.2s.

I don't fear stock GTPs one bit and I'm 50/50 against the pullied GTPs.


Dave
Actually, I had a GP and was on clubgp.com for about a year and a half. And if you recall the GP Gathering at KC (which I didn't attend) everyone said it was a horrible track and no one could get grip. And I've heard a few 14.2 and while it is true its hard to believe but factory freaks do happen. And mid 14's isn't that hard to believe. And we often had some maxima owners on that board that would talk about racing GTP's. The 5spd max would be behind off launch and would cathc up over 100 and start to walk them. Unless the GTP had pulley and/or other mods. It was the same story every time. Can the max be competitive? Absolutely, thats part of the reaosn I bought a max was b/c of the guys posting on that board. But the average 5spd max against the average GTP will not go to max. There are of course, exceptions, your car might be one of them. And an auto max will get hosed unless they have some serious mods.

BTW, I believe there are 3-4 guys on clubgp in the 11-12 sec range and ton in the 13 now, the GTP's are building a lot of aftermarket support and have a ton more options nows than even a year ago.

And I'm not trying to start a war or anything, and I have all respect for ya, I'm just saying that those GTP's are fast.
Old Jul 19, 2001 | 04:06 PM
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Originally posted by Ironlord


And we often had some maxima owners on that board that would talk about racing GTP's. The 5spd max would be behind off launch and would cathc up over 100 and start to walk them
i can stand behind this. i was at a light next to a GTP. light turns green, he has me by at least 3/4 car lengths and stays like this up to 70-80 and i start pulling up slowly, but then he brakes. i also assume that he is stock where i had a intake and catback.
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