All you guys sure you want to use Mobil 1??? -->
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Zmax with Linkite will give you better gas mileage.
Plus it has Linkite (approved by the FAA) that lubricates your engine like no other.
With Duralube, your car can run without oil.
Motor-UP will revive your car from from the dead.
Slick 50 will revive that dead car Motor-Up revived into
even better condition.
What else am I missing? Every oil company will say they are the best, but none will say their oil can last a long time.
Case in point, its not the brand of oil you are using, its how often you change your oil and take care of your car thats more important.
With Duralube, your car can run without oil.
Motor-UP will revive your car from from the dead.
Slick 50 will revive that dead car Motor-Up revived into
even better condition.
What else am I missing? Every oil company will say they are the best, but none will say their oil can last a long time.
Case in point, its not the brand of oil you are using, its how often you change your oil and take care of your car thats more important.
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Plus compared to all the other oil listed in that one test, it still performed the best.
90% if not more of the people on this forum, and in the general public even, well never subject their engines to such punishments that Mobil can't protect it. No doubt Amsoil is better than Mobil 1, but I don't think these test prove that we shoudln't use it.
-Shing
[Edited by Shingles on 10-24-2000 at 02:05 PM]
Re: Zmax with Linkite will give you better gas mileage.
Well I don't think Amsoil has any lawsuits currently pending for false advertising and false claims like some of the ones you mentioned.
Originally posted by [s3]
Plus it has Linkite (approved by the FAA) that lubricates your engine like no other.
With Duralube, your car can run without oil.
Motor-UP will revive your car from from the dead.
Slick 50 will revive that dead car Motor-Up revived into
even better condition.
What else am I missing? Every oil company will say they are the best, but none will say their oil can last a long time.
Case in point, its not the brand of oil you are using, its how often you change your oil and take care of your car thats more important.
Plus it has Linkite (approved by the FAA) that lubricates your engine like no other.
With Duralube, your car can run without oil.
Motor-UP will revive your car from from the dead.
Slick 50 will revive that dead car Motor-Up revived into
even better condition.
What else am I missing? Every oil company will say they are the best, but none will say their oil can last a long time.
Case in point, its not the brand of oil you are using, its how often you change your oil and take care of your car thats more important.
Good point Shing-->
Just mentioning if you can get them for basicly the same price, that might sway one over.
Originally posted by Shingles
I don't think it means much. I've proven that after 7000+ miles of not so friendly driving that hte oil is still fine, no traces of metal, etc. nothing that was not suppose to be there were not. How often do you place 60kg of pressure in one are at 1800 rpm for 1 hour non stop?
Plus compared to all the other oil listed in that one test, it still performed the best.
90% if not more of the people on this forum, and in the general public even, well never subject their engines to such punishments that Mobil can't protect it. No doubt Amsoil is better than Mobil 1, but I don't think these test prove that we shoudln't use it.
-Shing
Plus compared to all the other oil listed in that one test, it still performed the best.
90% if not more of the people on this forum, and in the general public even, well never subject their engines to such punishments that Mobil can't protect it. No doubt Amsoil is better than Mobil 1, but I don't think these test prove that we shoudln't use it.
-Shing
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Re: Good point Shing-->
Hrmm... never thought about that. Indeed, if they were the same price, I would have to say get Amsoil. Ahhh... I need to send in my forms! Damn... keep forgetting. 
-Shing
-Shing
Originally posted by Jeff92se
Just mentioning if you can get them for basicly the same price, that might sway one over.
Just mentioning if you can get them for basicly the same price, that might sway one over.
Originally posted by Shingles
I don't think it means much. I've proven that after 7000+ miles of not so friendly driving that hte oil is still fine, no traces of metal, etc. nothing that was not suppose to be there were not. How often do you place 60kg of pressure in one are at 1800 rpm for 1 hour non stop?
Plus compared to all the other oil listed in that one test, it still performed the best.
90% if not more of the people on this forum, and in the general public even, well never subject their engines to such punishments that Mobil can't protect it. No doubt Amsoil is better than Mobil 1, but I don't think these test prove that we shoudln't use it.
-Shing
Plus compared to all the other oil listed in that one test, it still performed the best.
90% if not more of the people on this forum, and in the general public even, well never subject their engines to such punishments that Mobil can't protect it. No doubt Amsoil is better than Mobil 1, but I don't think these test prove that we shoudln't use it.
-Shing
Re: Good point Shing-->
Exactly, if you can get it for the same price, people might turn heads, I was only using the above products as examples of advertising tactics to make people turn heads. Whether they perform to their specs is another question.
I don't think there is a monopoly on oil or is there?
I don't think there is a monopoly on oil or is there?
Originally posted by Jeff92se
Just mentioning if you can get them for basicly the same price, that might sway one over.
Just mentioning if you can get them for basicly the same price, that might sway one over.
Originally posted by Shingles
I don't think it means much. I've proven that after 7000+ miles of not so friendly driving that hte oil is still fine, no traces of metal, etc. nothing that was not suppose to be there were not. How often do you place 60kg of pressure in one are at 1800 rpm for 1 hour non stop?
Plus compared to all the other oil listed in that one test, it still performed the best.
90% if not more of the people on this forum, and in the general public even, well never subject their engines to such punishments that Mobil can't protect it. No doubt Amsoil is better than Mobil 1, but I don't think these test prove that we shoudln't use it.
-Shing
Plus compared to all the other oil listed in that one test, it still performed the best.
90% if not more of the people on this forum, and in the general public even, well never subject their engines to such punishments that Mobil can't protect it. No doubt Amsoil is better than Mobil 1, but I don't think these test prove that we shoudln't use it.
-Shing
Re: Re: Good point Shing-->
Perform to the specs?? I hope your not lumping Amsoil w/ all these informerical products are you?
Originally posted by [s3]
Exactly, if you can get it for the same price, people might turn heads, I was only using the above products as examples of advertising tactics to make people turn heads. Whether they perform to their specs is another question.
I don't think there is a monopoly on oil or is there?
Exactly, if you can get it for the same price, people might turn heads, I was only using the above products as examples of advertising tactics to make people turn heads. Whether they perform to their specs is another question.
I don't think there is a monopoly on oil or is there?
Originally posted by Jeff92se
Just mentioning if you can get them for basicly the same price, that might sway one over.
Just mentioning if you can get them for basicly the same price, that might sway one over.
Originally posted by Shingles
I don't think it means much. I've proven that after 7000+ miles of not so friendly driving that hte oil is still fine, no traces of metal, etc. nothing that was not suppose to be there were not. How often do you place 60kg of pressure in one are at 1800 rpm for 1 hour non stop?
Plus compared to all the other oil listed in that one test, it still performed the best.
90% if not more of the people on this forum, and in the general public even, well never subject their engines to such punishments that Mobil can't protect it. No doubt Amsoil is better than Mobil 1, but I don't think these test prove that we shoudln't use it.
-Shing
Plus compared to all the other oil listed in that one test, it still performed the best.
90% if not more of the people on this forum, and in the general public even, well never subject their engines to such punishments that Mobil can't protect it. No doubt Amsoil is better than Mobil 1, but I don't think these test prove that we shoudln't use it.
-Shing
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If Amsoil is so great then why isn't it put in cars from the factory (Porsche, Corvette, etc)? I've seen truely "independant" data that suggests Amsoil is only slightly better than Mobil 1. Anyways, who's wants to pay $9 a quart (plus shipping) for Amsoil when you can get Mobil 1 for for $4? You get nearly the same quality for well over half the price. The way I see it is most of us in here want the best protection, but we drive a lot and can't afford nor want to spend $180+ in oil changes a year. Mobil is nearly the best you can get. At least most of us aren't running the cheap stuff. AND even if that was the case, as long as you change out that dino-oil every 3000 miles, your motor will be fine.
Dave
Dave
Well let me tell ya.. -->
If Mobil 1 is soo great then why to they have massive marketing campaigns to tout their product while Amsoil has been alive and well since the early 70's?
Porsche and Corvettes use mobil one beucase yes it's a good quality oil but they also probably give these car makers a HUGE FINANICAL reason to use it also. More marketing??
Amsoil is actually cheaper to use than dino oil if you use their extended oil change programs. There is also no data to suggest 3000 miles is what your supposed to change it at. Heck even 7500 is recommended by makers for DINO oil. So w/ Amsoil's superior base stock and additive packages, drain intervals at 35,000(yes no typo) are listed in their literature and backed by their warranty.
So why are you still using dino again??
Porsche and Corvettes use mobil one beucase yes it's a good quality oil but they also probably give these car makers a HUGE FINANICAL reason to use it also. More marketing??
Amsoil is actually cheaper to use than dino oil if you use their extended oil change programs. There is also no data to suggest 3000 miles is what your supposed to change it at. Heck even 7500 is recommended by makers for DINO oil. So w/ Amsoil's superior base stock and additive packages, drain intervals at 35,000(yes no typo) are listed in their literature and backed by their warranty.
So why are you still using dino again??
Originally posted by Dave B
If Amsoil is so great then why isn't it put in cars from the factory (Porsche, Corvette, etc)? I've seen truely "independant" data that suggests Amsoil is only slightly better than Mobil 1. Anyways, who's wants to pay $9 a quart (plus shipping) for Amsoil when you can get Mobil 1 for for $4? You get nearly the same quality for well over half the price. The way I see it is most of us in here want the best protection, but we drive a lot and can't afford nor want to spend $180+ in oil changes a year. Mobil is nearly the best you can get. At least most of us aren't running the cheap stuff. AND even if that was the case, as long as you change out that dino-oil every 3000 miles, your motor will be fine.
Dave
If Amsoil is so great then why isn't it put in cars from the factory (Porsche, Corvette, etc)? I've seen truely "independant" data that suggests Amsoil is only slightly better than Mobil 1. Anyways, who's wants to pay $9 a quart (plus shipping) for Amsoil when you can get Mobil 1 for for $4? You get nearly the same quality for well over half the price. The way I see it is most of us in here want the best protection, but we drive a lot and can't afford nor want to spend $180+ in oil changes a year. Mobil is nearly the best you can get. At least most of us aren't running the cheap stuff. AND even if that was the case, as long as you change out that dino-oil every 3000 miles, your motor will be fine.
Dave
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Originally posted by Dave B
If Amsoil is so great then why isn't it put in cars from the factory (Porsche, Corvette, etc)? I've seen truely "independant" data that suggests Amsoil is only slightly better than Mobil 1. Anyways, who's wants to pay $9 a quart (plus shipping) for Amsoil when you can get Mobil 1 for for $4? You get nearly the same quality for well over half the price. The way I see it is most of us in here want the best protection, but we drive a lot and can't afford nor want to spend $180+ in oil changes a year. Mobil is nearly the best you can get. At least most of us aren't running the cheap stuff. AND even if that was the case, as long as you change out that dino-oil every 3000 miles, your motor will be fine.
Dave
If Amsoil is so great then why isn't it put in cars from the factory (Porsche, Corvette, etc)? I've seen truely "independant" data that suggests Amsoil is only slightly better than Mobil 1. Anyways, who's wants to pay $9 a quart (plus shipping) for Amsoil when you can get Mobil 1 for for $4? You get nearly the same quality for well over half the price. The way I see it is most of us in here want the best protection, but we drive a lot and can't afford nor want to spend $180+ in oil changes a year. Mobil is nearly the best you can get. At least most of us aren't running the cheap stuff. AND even if that was the case, as long as you change out that dino-oil every 3000 miles, your motor will be fine.
Dave
-Shing
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wow
I'd be surprised if an AMSOIL website posted data suggesting Mobil 1 as being a better product.
To my mind it's like the difference between Coke and Pepsi. Product loyalty and consumer beliefs in what the manufacturers tell us about how great their products are.The reality is, unless we are all Phd. bio chemists and able to do an analysis of each and every quart of these products, we REALLY DONT know what we are getting. We are just putting our faith and trust into their hands.
As for an oil monopoly: once the Arab brothers finish conferring with their Palestinian neighbours about how badly they are being treated by their Israeli neighbours, you can be darn sure we will feel the impact of the Cartel's monopoly..but that is sort of an aside. Just in case, better save some of that AMSOIL for your mountain bike chain
To my mind it's like the difference between Coke and Pepsi. Product loyalty and consumer beliefs in what the manufacturers tell us about how great their products are.The reality is, unless we are all Phd. bio chemists and able to do an analysis of each and every quart of these products, we REALLY DONT know what we are getting. We are just putting our faith and trust into their hands.
As for an oil monopoly: once the Arab brothers finish conferring with their Palestinian neighbours about how badly they are being treated by their Israeli neighbours, you can be darn sure we will feel the impact of the Cartel's monopoly..but that is sort of an aside. Just in case, better save some of that AMSOIL for your mountain bike chain
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a while back
someone (jeff?) posted the info on how to get amsoil at a discounted price, where to get the forms, etc...
he listed prices per quart, and barrels (?) can someone (jeff?) list those again?
i just may sign up w/ these 2 new cars here now and buy in bulk!
Robert
he listed prices per quart, and barrels (?) can someone (jeff?) list those again?
i just may sign up w/ these 2 new cars here now and buy in bulk!
Robert
Bio-->
Got Rice from the TT.net was kind enough to sent Amsoil forms to people and have them be "prefered customers". This allows us to buy at dealer prices without becoming a dealer. I think GR gets a small comission but it's nothing even mentioning. Just a nice guesture on his part. you might try a search to get his email. And your right, buying in bulk is the way to go. Lordrandel and Bill94GXE are set up already.
Re: Well let me tell ya.. -->
Porsche and Corvettes use mobil one beucase yes it's a good quality oil but they also probably give these car makers a HUGE FINANICAL reason to use it also. More marketing??
The fact is that Mobil 1 is a very good motor oil, and it's not that much more expensive then it's competitors. It's also sold at just about every auto parts store in the Nation.
Amsoil may be a slightly better product, but it's twice as much and it's not sold locally, at least not where I live. So, the benefits of using Amsoil are not worth the extra cost of the product PLUS the cost of shipping, at least not to me.
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PatchMax, what about changing your oil filter??-->>
Do they have oil filters that last that long??
Also, a bit off the subject, on the ML's(Benz). There is an indicator that tells you when to change your oil(not a time frame sensor but a oil breakdown sensor) and the recommended interval is ~15k-18k. MB doesn't use any special oil for it's vehicles..
If Mobil 1 is soo great then why to they have massive marketing campaigns to tout their product while Amsoil has been alive and well since the early 70's?
Porsche and Corvettes use mobil one beucase yes it's a good quality oil but they also probably give these car makers a HUGE FINANICAL reason to use it also. More marketing??
Amsoil is actually cheaper to use than dino oil if you use their extended oil change programs. There is also no data to suggest 3000 miles is what your supposed to change it at. Heck even 7500 is recommended by makers for DINO oil. So w/ Amsoil's superior base stock and additive packages, drain intervals at 35,000(yes no typo) are listed in their literature and backed by their warranty.
So why are you still using dino again??
[/QUOTE]
Also, a bit off the subject, on the ML's(Benz). There is an indicator that tells you when to change your oil(not a time frame sensor but a oil breakdown sensor) and the recommended interval is ~15k-18k. MB doesn't use any special oil for it's vehicles..
If Mobil 1 is soo great then why to they have massive marketing campaigns to tout their product while Amsoil has been alive and well since the early 70's?
Porsche and Corvettes use mobil one beucase yes it's a good quality oil but they also probably give these car makers a HUGE FINANICAL reason to use it also. More marketing??
Amsoil is actually cheaper to use than dino oil if you use their extended oil change programs. There is also no data to suggest 3000 miles is what your supposed to change it at. Heck even 7500 is recommended by makers for DINO oil. So w/ Amsoil's superior base stock and additive packages, drain intervals at 35,000(yes no typo) are listed in their literature and backed by their warranty.
So why are you still using dino again??
Originally posted by Dave B
If Amsoil is so great then why isn't it put in cars from the factory (Porsche, Corvette, etc)? I've seen truely "independant" data that suggests Amsoil is only slightly better than Mobil 1. Anyways, who's wants to pay $9 a quart (plus shipping) for Amsoil when you can get Mobil 1 for for $4? You get nearly the same quality for well over half the price. The way I see it is most of us in here want the best protection, but we drive a lot and can't afford nor want to spend $180+ in oil changes a year. Mobil is nearly the best you can get. At least most of us aren't running the cheap stuff. AND even if that was the case, as long as you change out that dino-oil every 3000 miles, your motor will be fine.
Dave
If Amsoil is so great then why isn't it put in cars from the factory (Porsche, Corvette, etc)? I've seen truely "independant" data that suggests Amsoil is only slightly better than Mobil 1. Anyways, who's wants to pay $9 a quart (plus shipping) for Amsoil when you can get Mobil 1 for for $4? You get nearly the same quality for well over half the price. The way I see it is most of us in here want the best protection, but we drive a lot and can't afford nor want to spend $180+ in oil changes a year. Mobil is nearly the best you can get. At least most of us aren't running the cheap stuff. AND even if that was the case, as long as you change out that dino-oil every 3000 miles, your motor will be fine.
Dave
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Re: PatchMax, what about changing your oil filter??-->>
I don't think it really tests the oil, but I think it determines your oil change based on the driving conditions etc. I could be wrong.
-Shing
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-Shing
Originally posted by Washington DC Maxima
Do they have oil filters that last that long??
Also, a bit off the subject, on the ML's(Benz). There is an indicator that tells you when to change your oil(not a time frame sensor but a oil breakdown sensor) and the recommended interval is ~15k-18k. MB doesn't use any special oil for it's vehicles..
If Mobil 1 is soo great then why to they have massive marketing campaigns to tout their product while Amsoil has been alive and well since the early 70's?
Porsche and Corvettes use mobil one beucase yes it's a good quality oil but they also probably give these car makers a HUGE FINANICAL reason to use it also. More marketing??
Amsoil is actually cheaper to use than dino oil if you use their extended oil change programs. There is also no data to suggest 3000 miles is what your supposed to change it at. Heck even 7500 is recommended by makers for DINO oil. So w/ Amsoil's superior base stock and additive packages, drain intervals at 35,000(yes no typo) are listed in their literature and backed by their warranty.
So why are you still using dino again??
Do they have oil filters that last that long??
Also, a bit off the subject, on the ML's(Benz). There is an indicator that tells you when to change your oil(not a time frame sensor but a oil breakdown sensor) and the recommended interval is ~15k-18k. MB doesn't use any special oil for it's vehicles..
If Mobil 1 is soo great then why to they have massive marketing campaigns to tout their product while Amsoil has been alive and well since the early 70's?
Porsche and Corvettes use mobil one beucase yes it's a good quality oil but they also probably give these car makers a HUGE FINANICAL reason to use it also. More marketing??
Amsoil is actually cheaper to use than dino oil if you use their extended oil change programs. There is also no data to suggest 3000 miles is what your supposed to change it at. Heck even 7500 is recommended by makers for DINO oil. So w/ Amsoil's superior base stock and additive packages, drain intervals at 35,000(yes no typo) are listed in their literature and backed by their warranty.
So why are you still using dino again??
Originally posted by Dave B
If Amsoil is so great then why isn't it put in cars from the factory (Porsche, Corvette, etc)? I've seen truely "independant" data that suggests Amsoil is only slightly better than Mobil 1. Anyways, who's wants to pay $9 a quart (plus shipping) for Amsoil when you can get Mobil 1 for for $4? You get nearly the same quality for well over half the price. The way I see it is most of us in here want the best protection, but we drive a lot and can't afford nor want to spend $180+ in oil changes a year. Mobil is nearly the best you can get. At least most of us aren't running the cheap stuff. AND even if that was the case, as long as you change out that dino-oil every 3000 miles, your motor will be fine.
Dave
If Amsoil is so great then why isn't it put in cars from the factory (Porsche, Corvette, etc)? I've seen truely "independant" data that suggests Amsoil is only slightly better than Mobil 1. Anyways, who's wants to pay $9 a quart (plus shipping) for Amsoil when you can get Mobil 1 for for $4? You get nearly the same quality for well over half the price. The way I see it is most of us in here want the best protection, but we drive a lot and can't afford nor want to spend $180+ in oil changes a year. Mobil is nearly the best you can get. At least most of us aren't running the cheap stuff. AND even if that was the case, as long as you change out that dino-oil every 3000 miles, your motor will be fine.
Dave
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't the test be more accurate if all brands used the same weight/viscosity oil? That would be more of an apples to apples comparison wouldn't it? I mean compare 0W-30 to 0W-30
not 0W30 to 20W-50, 10W-30, & 5W-50...
just my 2c worth.
not 0W30 to 20W-50, 10W-30, & 5W-50...
just my 2c worth.
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Agreed n/m
Originally posted by Shingles
I don't think it really tests the oil, but I think it determines your oil change based on the driving conditions etc. I could be wrong.
-Shing
I don't think it really tests the oil, but I think it determines your oil change based on the driving conditions etc. I could be wrong.
-Shing
Originally posted by Washington DC Maxima
Do they have oil filters that last that long??
Also, a bit off the subject, on the ML's(Benz). There is an indicator that tells you when to change your oil(not a time frame sensor but a oil breakdown sensor) and the recommended interval is ~15k-18k. MB doesn't use any special oil for it's vehicles..
If Mobil 1 is soo great then why to they have massive marketing campaigns to tout their product while Amsoil has been alive and well since the early 70's?
Porsche and Corvettes use mobil one beucase yes it's a good quality oil but they also probably give these car makers a HUGE FINANICAL reason to use it also. More marketing??
Amsoil is actually cheaper to use than dino oil if you use their extended oil change programs. There is also no data to suggest 3000 miles is what your supposed to change it at. Heck even 7500 is recommended by makers for DINO oil. So w/ Amsoil's superior base stock and additive packages, drain intervals at 35,000(yes no typo) are listed in their literature and backed by their warranty.
So why are you still using dino again??
Do they have oil filters that last that long??
Also, a bit off the subject, on the ML's(Benz). There is an indicator that tells you when to change your oil(not a time frame sensor but a oil breakdown sensor) and the recommended interval is ~15k-18k. MB doesn't use any special oil for it's vehicles..
If Mobil 1 is soo great then why to they have massive marketing campaigns to tout their product while Amsoil has been alive and well since the early 70's?
Porsche and Corvettes use mobil one beucase yes it's a good quality oil but they also probably give these car makers a HUGE FINANICAL reason to use it also. More marketing??
Amsoil is actually cheaper to use than dino oil if you use their extended oil change programs. There is also no data to suggest 3000 miles is what your supposed to change it at. Heck even 7500 is recommended by makers for DINO oil. So w/ Amsoil's superior base stock and additive packages, drain intervals at 35,000(yes no typo) are listed in their literature and backed by their warranty.
So why are you still using dino again??
Originally posted by Dave B
If Amsoil is so great then why isn't it put in cars from the factory (Porsche, Corvette, etc)? I've seen truely "independant" data that suggests Amsoil is only slightly better than Mobil 1. Anyways, who's wants to pay $9 a quart (plus shipping) for Amsoil when you can get Mobil 1 for for $4? You get nearly the same quality for well over half the price. The way I see it is most of us in here want the best protection, but we drive a lot and can't afford nor want to spend $180+ in oil changes a year. Mobil is nearly the best you can get. At least most of us aren't running the cheap stuff. AND even if that was the case, as long as you change out that dino-oil every 3000 miles, your motor will be fine.
Dave
If Amsoil is so great then why isn't it put in cars from the factory (Porsche, Corvette, etc)? I've seen truely "independant" data that suggests Amsoil is only slightly better than Mobil 1. Anyways, who's wants to pay $9 a quart (plus shipping) for Amsoil when you can get Mobil 1 for for $4? You get nearly the same quality for well over half the price. The way I see it is most of us in here want the best protection, but we drive a lot and can't afford nor want to spend $180+ in oil changes a year. Mobil is nearly the best you can get. At least most of us aren't running the cheap stuff. AND even if that was the case, as long as you change out that dino-oil every 3000 miles, your motor will be fine.
Dave
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excuse me
I don't rely on any outside testing. I currently race drag bikes (now that is torture) and I only use Mobil 5w30 full synthetic. I have tried many others on the dyno and I actually see a .02% HP increase with the Mobil. This tells me the Mobil is a better lube for my money. However I will try the Amsoil after world finals (when I am testing for next year) and post the results.
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Re: excuse me
.02%
Isn't that within the margin of error on a dyno? I don't think you could say definitively that a .02% is attributed to the oil...
-Shing
Isn't that within the margin of error on a dyno? I don't think you could say definitively that a .02% is attributed to the oil...
-Shing
Originally posted by SkidMarkRacing
I don't rely on any outside testing. I currently race drag bikes (now that is torture) and I only use Mobil 5w30 full synthetic. I have tried many others on the dyno and I actually see a .02% HP increase with the Mobil. This tells me the Mobil is a better lube for my money. However I will try the Amsoil after world finals (when I am testing for next year) and post the results.
I don't rely on any outside testing. I currently race drag bikes (now that is torture) and I only use Mobil 5w30 full synthetic. I have tried many others on the dyno and I actually see a .02% HP increase with the Mobil. This tells me the Mobil is a better lube for my money. However I will try the Amsoil after world finals (when I am testing for next year) and post the results.
Re: PatchMax, what about changing your oil filter??-->>
For extended change intervals, it's recommended that you use the Amsoil filter and change them twice a year vs changing the oil only once a year. ie.. filter every 12,500 miles and oil every 25,000 miles.
[/QUOTE]
Originally posted by Washington DC Maxima
Do they have oil filters that last that long??
Also, a bit off the subject, on the ML's(Benz). There is an indicator that tells you when to change your oil(not a time frame sensor but a oil breakdown sensor) and the recommended interval is ~15k-18k. MB doesn't use any special oil for it's vehicles..
If Mobil 1 is soo great then why to they have massive marketing campaigns to tout their product while Amsoil has been alive and well since the early 70's?
Porsche and Corvettes use mobil one beucase yes it's a good quality oil but they also probably give these car makers a HUGE FINANICAL reason to use it also. More marketing??
Amsoil is actually cheaper to use than dino oil if you use their extended oil change programs. There is also no data to suggest 3000 miles is what your supposed to change it at. Heck even 7500 is recommended by makers for DINO oil. So w/ Amsoil's superior base stock and additive packages, drain intervals at 35,000(yes no typo) are listed in their literature and backed by their warranty.
So why are you still using dino again??
Do they have oil filters that last that long??
Also, a bit off the subject, on the ML's(Benz). There is an indicator that tells you when to change your oil(not a time frame sensor but a oil breakdown sensor) and the recommended interval is ~15k-18k. MB doesn't use any special oil for it's vehicles..
If Mobil 1 is soo great then why to they have massive marketing campaigns to tout their product while Amsoil has been alive and well since the early 70's?
Porsche and Corvettes use mobil one beucase yes it's a good quality oil but they also probably give these car makers a HUGE FINANICAL reason to use it also. More marketing??
Amsoil is actually cheaper to use than dino oil if you use their extended oil change programs. There is also no data to suggest 3000 miles is what your supposed to change it at. Heck even 7500 is recommended by makers for DINO oil. So w/ Amsoil's superior base stock and additive packages, drain intervals at 35,000(yes no typo) are listed in their literature and backed by their warranty.
So why are you still using dino again??
Originally posted by Dave B
If Amsoil is so great then why isn't it put in cars from the factory (Porsche, Corvette, etc)? I've seen truely "independant" data that suggests Amsoil is only slightly better than Mobil 1. Anyways, who's wants to pay $9 a quart (plus shipping) for Amsoil when you can get Mobil 1 for for $4? You get nearly the same quality for well over half the price. The way I see it is most of us in here want the best protection, but we drive a lot and can't afford nor want to spend $180+ in oil changes a year. Mobil is nearly the best you can get. At least most of us aren't running the cheap stuff. AND even if that was the case, as long as you change out that dino-oil every 3000 miles, your motor will be fine.
Dave
If Amsoil is so great then why isn't it put in cars from the factory (Porsche, Corvette, etc)? I've seen truely "independant" data that suggests Amsoil is only slightly better than Mobil 1. Anyways, who's wants to pay $9 a quart (plus shipping) for Amsoil when you can get Mobil 1 for for $4? You get nearly the same quality for well over half the price. The way I see it is most of us in here want the best protection, but we drive a lot and can't afford nor want to spend $180+ in oil changes a year. Mobil is nearly the best you can get. At least most of us aren't running the cheap stuff. AND even if that was the case, as long as you change out that dino-oil every 3000 miles, your motor will be fine.
Dave
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Originally posted by Jeff92se
Got Rice from the TT.net was kind enough to sent Amsoil forms to people and have them be "prefered customers". This allows us to buy at dealer prices without becoming a dealer. I think GR gets a small comission but it's nothing even mentioning. Just a nice guesture on his part. you might try a search to get his email. And your right, buying in bulk is the way to go. Lordrandel and Bill94GXE are set up already.
Got Rice from the TT.net was kind enough to sent Amsoil forms to people and have them be "prefered customers". This allows us to buy at dealer prices without becoming a dealer. I think GR gets a small comission but it's nothing even mentioning. Just a nice guesture on his part. you might try a search to get his email. And your right, buying in bulk is the way to go. Lordrandel and Bill94GXE are set up already.
Re: excuse me
Wow that's pretty cool that you race drag bikes. Seems like crazy stuff to me. Good luck and make sure to post your results.
As far as oil, your demands on your oil for drag racing is quite different than our car demands on our oil. Of course low friction and film strength is desirable by both but I assume you change your oil after every run or before each race correct? That means you only put less than 5 miles on each batch of oil? Very harsh miles no doubt but it's only very few miles.
Long change interval sythetics like Amsoil/Redline have very good protection period but also have additive packages that can last much longer than dino oils. That is what makes them so attractive. As far as Amsoil vs mobil one, the difference is Amsoil clearly states it's designed for extended change intervals while Mobil 1 makes no such claim. But from the experience of one member, Mobil 1 has shown favorable results in an oil analysis test at 7500 miles.
As far as oil, your demands on your oil for drag racing is quite different than our car demands on our oil. Of course low friction and film strength is desirable by both but I assume you change your oil after every run or before each race correct? That means you only put less than 5 miles on each batch of oil? Very harsh miles no doubt but it's only very few miles.
Long change interval sythetics like Amsoil/Redline have very good protection period but also have additive packages that can last much longer than dino oils. That is what makes them so attractive. As far as Amsoil vs mobil one, the difference is Amsoil clearly states it's designed for extended change intervals while Mobil 1 makes no such claim. But from the experience of one member, Mobil 1 has shown favorable results in an oil analysis test at 7500 miles.
Originally posted by SkidMarkRacing
I don't rely on any outside testing. I currently race drag bikes (now that is torture) and I only use Mobil 5w30 full synthetic. I have tried many others on the dyno and I actually see a .02% HP increase with the Mobil. This tells me the Mobil is a better lube for my money. However I will try the Amsoil after world finals (when I am testing for next year) and post the results.
I don't rely on any outside testing. I currently race drag bikes (now that is torture) and I only use Mobil 5w30 full synthetic. I have tried many others on the dyno and I actually see a .02% HP increase with the Mobil. This tells me the Mobil is a better lube for my money. However I will try the Amsoil after world finals (when I am testing for next year) and post the results.
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Re: Re: PatchMax, what about changing your oil filter??-->>
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Shingles
[I]I don't think it really tests the oil, but I think it determines your oil change based on the driving conditions etc. I could be wrong.
-Shing
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Washington DC Maxima
[I]Do they have oil filters that last that long??
Also, a bit off the subject, on the ML's(Benz). There is an indicator that tells you when to change your oil(not a time frame sensor but a oil breakdown sensor) and the recommended interval is ~15k-18k. MB doesn't use any special oil for it's vehicles..
I can't speak re: Mercedes Benz, but I am familiar with the BMW oil change indicator...
The newer BMWs come with an oil change indicator. It measures you mileage and driving style (presumably hard acceleration etc.), and indicates when it is time to replace the oil. Under normal driving, this seems to be every 10 - 12,000 miles.
BMWs come factory equipped with synthetics, and the oil changes also use synthetics. Although the oil in officially "BMW brand" oil, it is made by Mobil (whether the specs are at all different that Mobil 1 is questionable).
Based on the MB intervals, I would assume they are also using a synthetic.
BTW - one of the gripes from BMW owners is the essential inability to easily change the oil sooner, as the free maintenance only covers oil changes as indicated by the gauge.
Also, I have never read any independent study that indicates Red Line, Amsoil or any of the other high priced competitors is even as good as, let alone better than, Mobil 1.
[I]I don't think it really tests the oil, but I think it determines your oil change based on the driving conditions etc. I could be wrong.
-Shing
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Washington DC Maxima
[I]Do they have oil filters that last that long??
Also, a bit off the subject, on the ML's(Benz). There is an indicator that tells you when to change your oil(not a time frame sensor but a oil breakdown sensor) and the recommended interval is ~15k-18k. MB doesn't use any special oil for it's vehicles..
I can't speak re: Mercedes Benz, but I am familiar with the BMW oil change indicator...
The newer BMWs come with an oil change indicator. It measures you mileage and driving style (presumably hard acceleration etc.), and indicates when it is time to replace the oil. Under normal driving, this seems to be every 10 - 12,000 miles.
BMWs come factory equipped with synthetics, and the oil changes also use synthetics. Although the oil in officially "BMW brand" oil, it is made by Mobil (whether the specs are at all different that Mobil 1 is questionable).
Based on the MB intervals, I would assume they are also using a synthetic.
BTW - one of the gripes from BMW owners is the essential inability to easily change the oil sooner, as the free maintenance only covers oil changes as indicated by the gauge.
Also, I have never read any independent study that indicates Red Line, Amsoil or any of the other high priced competitors is even as good as, let alone better than, Mobil 1.
Re: Re: Re: PatchMax, what about changing your oil filter??-->>
http://www.vtr.org/maintain/oil-overview.html
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Also, I have never read any independent study that indicates Red Line, Amsoil or any of the other high priced competitors is even as good as, let alone better than, Mobil 1. [/I][/QUOTE]
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European oils are preferable for Max
Gentlemen,
The oil discussion is an endless... but my (and not only my) opinion:
European motor oils are preferable for the compact and high rpm engines such as Japanese and most European ones. Traditionally they were intended for high rpms, and the additives set meets this requirement.
In opposite, American oils contain a lot of fire-resistant and less of high-rpm additive. Historically rings in American engine were situated closer to the top of a piston than in European and Japanese engine, so American oils must have a lot of fire-resistant component.
With best regards,
DDD
The oil discussion is an endless... but my (and not only my) opinion:
European motor oils are preferable for the compact and high rpm engines such as Japanese and most European ones. Traditionally they were intended for high rpms, and the additives set meets this requirement.
In opposite, American oils contain a lot of fire-resistant and less of high-rpm additive. Historically rings in American engine were situated closer to the top of a piston than in European and Japanese engine, so American oils must have a lot of fire-resistant component.
With best regards,
DDD
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Re: Re: excuse me
Originally posted by Shingles
.02%
The Margin of error is .05% and that is based on changing dyno's and weather conditions. my runs were full pulls done 1/2 hour apart. I am not saying that mobil is the best only that I have seen an improvement concerning wear on my motors.
Isn't that within the margin of error on a dyno? I don't think you could say definitively that a .02% is attributed to the oil...
-Shing
.02%
The Margin of error is .05% and that is based on changing dyno's and weather conditions. my runs were full pulls done 1/2 hour apart. I am not saying that mobil is the best only that I have seen an improvement concerning wear on my motors.
Isn't that within the margin of error on a dyno? I don't think you could say definitively that a .02% is attributed to the oil...
-Shing
Originally posted by SkidMarkRacing
I don't rely on any outside testing. I currently race drag bikes (now that is torture) and I only use Mobil 5w30 full synthetic. I have tried many others on the dyno and I actually see a .02% HP increase with the Mobil. This tells me the Mobil is a better lube for my money. However I will try the Amsoil after world finals (when I am testing for next year) and post the results.
I don't rely on any outside testing. I currently race drag bikes (now that is torture) and I only use Mobil 5w30 full synthetic. I have tried many others on the dyno and I actually see a .02% HP increase with the Mobil. This tells me the Mobil is a better lube for my money. However I will try the Amsoil after world finals (when I am testing for next year) and post the results.
Originally posted by Dave B
If Amsoil is so great then why isn't it put in cars from the factory (Porsche, Corvette, etc)? I've seen truely "independant" data that suggests Amsoil is only slightly better than Mobil 1. Anyways, who's wants to pay $9 a quart (plus shipping) for Amsoil when you can get Mobil 1 for for $4? You get nearly the same quality for well over half the price. The way I see it is most of us in here want the best protection, but we drive a lot and can't afford nor want to spend $180+ in oil changes a year. Mobil is nearly the best you can get. At least most of us aren't running the cheap stuff. AND even if that was the case, as long as you change out that dino-oil every 3000 miles, your motor will be fine.
Dave
If Amsoil is so great then why isn't it put in cars from the factory (Porsche, Corvette, etc)? I've seen truely "independant" data that suggests Amsoil is only slightly better than Mobil 1. Anyways, who's wants to pay $9 a quart (plus shipping) for Amsoil when you can get Mobil 1 for for $4? You get nearly the same quality for well over half the price. The way I see it is most of us in here want the best protection, but we drive a lot and can't afford nor want to spend $180+ in oil changes a year. Mobil is nearly the best you can get. At least most of us aren't running the cheap stuff. AND even if that was the case, as long as you change out that dino-oil every 3000 miles, your motor will be fine.
Dave
I've long dumped my Mobil One oil out of all my cars and put Amsoil in.
The new tri-syn formula isn't as good as the old formula...
Re: Re: Well let me tell ya.. -->
Originally posted by Slickismax
I really don't think companies like Porche, AMG, etc. are going to use a product just because they will save a few dollars per car. On a $105k-$120k Porsche 911 turbo, I doubt that 60 extra bucks per car is going to influence Porsche to use an oil of lesser quality. The same goes for AMG, a company that specializes in building expensive performance cars for one of the most reputable auto companies in the world.
The fact is that Mobil 1 is a very good motor oil, and it's not that much more expensive then it's competitors. It's also sold at just about every auto parts store in the Nation.
Amsoil may be a slightly better product, but it's twice as much and it's not sold locally, at least not where I live. So, the benefits of using Amsoil are not worth the extra cost of the product PLUS the cost of shipping, at least not to me.
Porsche and Corvettes use mobil one beucase yes it's a good quality oil but they also probably give these car makers a HUGE FINANICAL reason to use it also. More marketing??
The fact is that Mobil 1 is a very good motor oil, and it's not that much more expensive then it's competitors. It's also sold at just about every auto parts store in the Nation.
Amsoil may be a slightly better product, but it's twice as much and it's not sold locally, at least not where I live. So, the benefits of using Amsoil are not worth the extra cost of the product PLUS the cost of shipping, at least not to me.
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Re: Re: Re: excuse me
So you just proved my point. If the dyno has a margin of error of .05%, then you can't claim an increase in hp of .02%.
-Shing
-Shing
Originally posted by SkidMarkRacing
Originally posted by Shingles
.02%
The Margin of error is .05% and that is based on changing dyno's and weather conditions. my runs were full pulls done 1/2 hour apart. I am not saying that mobil is the best only that I have seen an improvement concerning wear on my motors.
Isn't that within the margin of error on a dyno? I don't think you could say definitively that a .02% is attributed to the oil...
-Shing
.02%
The Margin of error is .05% and that is based on changing dyno's and weather conditions. my runs were full pulls done 1/2 hour apart. I am not saying that mobil is the best only that I have seen an improvement concerning wear on my motors.
Isn't that within the margin of error on a dyno? I don't think you could say definitively that a .02% is attributed to the oil...
-Shing
Originally posted by SkidMarkRacing
I don't rely on any outside testing. I currently race drag bikes (now that is torture) and I only use Mobil 5w30 full synthetic. I have tried many others on the dyno and I actually see a .02% HP increase with the Mobil. This tells me the Mobil is a better lube for my money. However I will try the Amsoil after world finals (when I am testing for next year) and post the results.
I don't rely on any outside testing. I currently race drag bikes (now that is torture) and I only use Mobil 5w30 full synthetic. I have tried many others on the dyno and I actually see a .02% HP increase with the Mobil. This tells me the Mobil is a better lube for my money. However I will try the Amsoil after world finals (when I am testing for next year) and post the results.
DANG! I go away for a few days and an Amsoil discussion ->
pops up......
Gosh, where to begin!?!
First off, read this post about Amsoil products/pricing/etc.
<A HREF="https://maxima.org/forums/showthread.phtml?threadid=398">Amsoil Pricing Info</A>
Ok, whoever is pushing the propaganda that Amsoil is $9/quart PLEASE STOP. It is not true if you order from Amsoil directly (now with a dealer who knows). Amsoil is about $1-$2 per quart more than Mobile 1 and a much better oil from tests (independent as well as from Amsoil) than Mobile 1. Naturally, the price is closer to Mobile 1 if you become a preferred customer or order more than 4qts, etc.
As far as the comparison of Amsoil to DuraLube, Slick 50, and the oil-product-infomercial-of-the-day products, that is just pure ignorance. Amsoil is not marketed like these other products, and also don't have to spend millions in litiagation fees because of false claims like Slick 50, Duralube, and other such products have had to face.
As for all Amsoil-sponsored test results that look "favorable" to Amsoil, there are independent testimonials/results as well:
<A HREF="http://www.guarding-our-earth.com/amsoil/fastfour.shtml">http://www.guarding-our-earth.com/amsoil/fastfour.shtml</A>
<A HREF="http://www.oil-tech.com/testmnl.htm">http://www.oil-tech.com/testmnl.htm</A>
<A HREF="http://www.edsanders.com/amsoil.htm">http://www.edsanders.com/amsoil.htm</A>
Gosh, where to begin!?!
First off, read this post about Amsoil products/pricing/etc.
<A HREF="https://maxima.org/forums/showthread.phtml?threadid=398">Amsoil Pricing Info</A>
Ok, whoever is pushing the propaganda that Amsoil is $9/quart PLEASE STOP. It is not true if you order from Amsoil directly (now with a dealer who knows). Amsoil is about $1-$2 per quart more than Mobile 1 and a much better oil from tests (independent as well as from Amsoil) than Mobile 1. Naturally, the price is closer to Mobile 1 if you become a preferred customer or order more than 4qts, etc.
As far as the comparison of Amsoil to DuraLube, Slick 50, and the oil-product-infomercial-of-the-day products, that is just pure ignorance. Amsoil is not marketed like these other products, and also don't have to spend millions in litiagation fees because of false claims like Slick 50, Duralube, and other such products have had to face.
As for all Amsoil-sponsored test results that look "favorable" to Amsoil, there are independent testimonials/results as well:
<A HREF="http://www.guarding-our-earth.com/amsoil/fastfour.shtml">http://www.guarding-our-earth.com/amsoil/fastfour.shtml</A>
<A HREF="http://www.oil-tech.com/testmnl.htm">http://www.oil-tech.com/testmnl.htm</A>
<A HREF="http://www.edsanders.com/amsoil.htm">http://www.edsanders.com/amsoil.htm</A>
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It's not wise to use an extended oil change interval with synthetic oils. You get particulates in your oil that can cause harm if left in. You are still supposed to stick to what is specified in the maintenance schedule.
Must be an echo in here . Me and Bill can't keep up!
Read this thread and let me know what you think.
https://maxima.org/forums/showthread...?threadid=5929
. Me and Bill can't keep up! Read this thread and let me know what you think.
https://maxima.org/forums/showthread...?threadid=5929
Originally posted by Paul2kGXE
It's not wise to use an extended oil change interval with synthetic oils. You get particulates in your oil that can cause harm if left in. You are still supposed to stick to what is specified in the maintenance schedule.
It's not wise to use an extended oil change interval with synthetic oils. You get particulates in your oil that can cause harm if left in. You are still supposed to stick to what is specified in the maintenance schedule.
How does the dealer know you didn't change the oil or that the fact that you didn't change the oil contributed any problem you are claiming?? I suppose if it came to that, you could have an oil analysis done and it would show that the oil is in within operating standards. So thus I would think their attempt to void your warranty would not work. But again we are talking Nissan here.....
Originally posted by Paul2kGXE
About the same as this thread. Also note... If you use a oil change schedule that is different than the manufacturer states, you void the warranty.
About the same as this thread. Also note... If you use a oil change schedule that is different than the manufacturer states, you void the warranty.
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Originally posted by Paul2kGXE
About the same as this thread. Also note... If you use a oil change schedule that is different than the manufacturer states, you void the warranty.
About the same as this thread. Also note... If you use a oil change schedule that is different than the manufacturer states, you void the warranty.
-Shing
Basically, those who use Amsoil (including myself) swear by their products. Those who don't, no big deal, it's a free country and they can use whatever they want.
I've offered several times to prove that Amsoil will demolish any other oil brand out there, but no one has been willing to take me up on the challenge. I have oil analysis kits that are available and can be sent to the independent lab for oil analysis (it can be motor, transmission, or differential).
Anyway, I'll keep using my $39.95/quart Amsoil (just kidding) and you guys keep using your Mobil 1. FYI, dealer cost on the Amsoil is ~ $4/qt if you're a Preferred Customer.
I've offered several times to prove that Amsoil will demolish any other oil brand out there, but no one has been willing to take me up on the challenge. I have oil analysis kits that are available and can be sent to the independent lab for oil analysis (it can be motor, transmission, or differential).
Anyway, I'll keep using my $39.95/quart Amsoil (just kidding) and you guys keep using your Mobil 1. FYI, dealer cost on the Amsoil is ~ $4/qt if you're a Preferred Customer.
