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Old Aug 17, 2001 | 09:16 AM
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Today will begin the hopefully not too long journey of Unlce Max. I will begin ordering parts today. I'll talk to Jason (tuner) today deciding to go with either a t3/t4 or 60-1.
We're pulling towards the 60-1. Plans are to have it mostly done for Houston's Import Expo where I'll first be showing it at. Sept 22. I'm not speculating any performance *** of now, but I'll for sure be hearing Ptshhh very soon =D
Francise will also have all the update because we're doing it at his shop. We'll keep every one posted. and I'll start taking pix.
Old Aug 17, 2001 | 09:26 AM
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let me ask you a few questions..

how much PSI do you plan to run?
do you plan to upgrade your engine internals?
are you running and Intercooler?
have you upgraded your fuel pump?
are you relocating your battery for Turbo Fitment?
are you sending your ECU back to UPRD for remapping for the Turbo?
are you going to be running engine managment on top of that?
are you upgrading your injectors?
are you upgrading your transmission and clutch?
are you going to be running any additional electronics?

i am just curious..
Old Aug 17, 2001 | 09:41 AM
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how much PSI do you plan to run?
No more than 10-lbs at first, but I'll probably only run about 8lbs

do you plan to upgrade your engine internals?
As of now we want to keep stck internals thats why we won't boost much.

are you running and Intercooler?
Front Mount I'll install this weekend ( I hope) i'll take pix.

have you upgraded your fuel pump?
Not Yet

are you relocating your battery for Turbo Fitment?
Yes

are you sending your ECU back to UPRD for remapping for the Turbo?
Nope, Next questions answers why.

are you going to be running engine managment on top of that?
Going with Haltech

are you upgrading your injectors?
Yup, 300x turbo injectors

are you upgrading your transmission and clutch?
5spd, yes upgrade fly wheel and clutch after show.

are you going to be running any additional electronics?
just regular gauges.

i am just curious..
That's coo. I'm sure there will be alot of questions. I know I had a few myself.
Old Aug 17, 2001 | 10:01 AM
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if you don't mind me snooping.. how much money are we lookign at here?
Old Aug 17, 2001 | 10:21 AM
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Originally posted by SprintMax
if you don't mind me snooping.. how much money are we lookign at here?
With out including gauges and little nick nacks.
We're at about 3400-3500. I'd say 4000 would be a good figure. not including getting stuff chromed or polished.
But this is a first time go for a MAX at the shop so we'll see.
Old Aug 17, 2001 | 10:22 AM
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Originally posted by Uncle Max
how much PSI do you plan to run?
No more than 10-lbs at first, but I'll probably only run about 8lbs

do you plan to upgrade your engine internals?
As of now we want to keep stck internals thats why we won't boost much.

are you running and Intercooler?
Front Mount I'll install this weekend ( I hope) i'll take pix.

have you upgraded your fuel pump?
Not Yet

are you relocating your battery for Turbo Fitment?
Yes

are you sending your ECU back to UPRD for remapping for the Turbo?
Nope, Next questions answers why.

are you going to be running engine managment on top of that?
Going with Haltech

are you upgrading your injectors?
Yup, 300x turbo injectors

are you upgrading your transmission and clutch?
5spd, yes upgrade fly wheel and clutch after show.

are you going to be running any additional electronics?
just regular gauges.

i am just curious..
That's coo. I'm sure there will be alot of questions. I know I had a few myself.

uhhh ohhh it seems that Turbo Max has some competition
Old Aug 17, 2001 | 11:28 AM
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Originally posted by SprintMax
let me ask you a few questions..

how much PSI do you plan to run?
do you plan to upgrade your engine internals?
are you running and Intercooler?
have you upgraded your fuel pump?
are you relocating your battery for Turbo Fitment?
are you sending your ECU back to UPRD for remapping for the Turbo?
are you going to be running engine managment on top of that?
are you upgrading your injectors?
are you upgrading your transmission and clutch?
are you going to be running any additional electronics?

i am just curious..
Sprintmax:

Were you beaten like a red-headed step-child when you were younger? It seems you have bit of arrogance about the way you post back to people. Go back and read a bunch of your posts. Someone who is new to the site would see no problem in your post, but I can see straight through it. I don't understand your attitude.


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Old Aug 17, 2001 | 11:33 AM
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Goo luck Uncle! I still say you should have sold that stuff to me! LOL!


To those that don't know, Uncle got a pretty good deal on most of the hardware so he's going to be good to go and for a pretty decent price also.

I seriously doubt alot of others could duplicate his set up for the same $$.
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he has no problems with my post.. because he knows i am just making sure he has covered all this bases and gaining information at the same time..

now why don't you go an edit your sig.. to reflect your new track test UDP .. 15 secs? is that what it is?
Originally posted by Dave B


Sprintmax:

Were you beaten like a red-headed step-child when you were younger? It seems you have bit of arrogance about the way you post back to people. Go back and read a bunch of your posts. Someone who is new to the site would see no problem in your post, but I can see straight through it. I don't understand your attitude.


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Old Aug 17, 2001 | 12:03 PM
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Uh Actually

I won't be able to use the Turbo from my Bro in Law but I'll use the Front mount and wast gate and Bo but I just paid for a New Turbo $900 shipped and instead of using Rubens t3/t4 im going with a 60-1. Bigger =D
Old Aug 17, 2001 | 12:10 PM
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Is the turbo gonna be powered off of three cylinders or all six? Ive seen a few setups where they had the turbo set to the front bank of cylinders and just had the rear three dump into the exhaust. It didnt seem like a very efficient setup. I would want all six so it would spool faster.

Also, with a long turbo header i would think that there would be an issue with it cracking under abuse.

Good luck. I wish i had the chance to do a v6 turbo.
Old Aug 17, 2001 | 12:12 PM
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Are you running the turbo off the Ypipe?

or just the front manifold? I doubt there is any room to run the turbo off the rear manifold. I think a turbo off the front manifold for car shows would be really cool. If it's off the ypipe it might be hard to see. Good luck and get us update on your progress. That Haltech must be a ***** to install.
Old Aug 17, 2001 | 12:17 PM
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There is no way a turbo can be mounted on the rear manifold on the maxima. I don't know for sure, but just my observation from under my car. Off the Ypipe would be the most efficient but it won't look as cool. The turbo would be so deep in the engine compartement and make the plumbing for an intercooler more difficult. Turbo on a max is just difficult.

Originally posted by gLok
Is the turbo gonna be powered off of three cylinders or all six? Ive seen a few setups where they had the turbo set to the front bank of cylinders and just had the rear three dump into the exhaust. It didnt seem like a very efficient setup. I would want all six so it would spool faster.

Also, with a long turbo header i would think that there would be an issue with it cracking under abuse.

Good luck. I wish i had the chance to do a v6 turbo.
Old Aug 17, 2001 | 12:30 PM
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We're running all 6 pistons

Running them straight from the Manifolds. So I'll probably sell the y-pipe.
Old Aug 17, 2001 | 12:39 PM
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Re: We're running all 6 pistons

Originally posted by Uncle Max
Running them straight from the Manifolds. So I'll probably sell the y-pipe.
if you havn't done so already.. i think turbomax is selling his custom y pipe for turbo maxima
Old Aug 17, 2001 | 12:47 PM
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Re: Re: We're running all 6 pistons

Originally posted by SprintMax

if you havn't done so already.. i think turbomax is selling his custom y pipe for turbo maxima
He made an extra pipe from the one he already has?
Hmmm Pix would be nice but Jason is really good at custom piping. I wouldn't mind checking it out, though.
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yeah he had a custom one that he was selling..

you can find him on http://forums.clubmaxima.com .. he is an admin over there and he lives over there
Originally posted by Uncle Max


He made an extra pipe from the one he already has?
Hmmm Pix would be nice but Jason is really good at custom piping. I wouldn't mind checking it out, though.
Old Aug 17, 2001 | 01:10 PM
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When did he say he was selling it? Last I heard he was doing something else with it.
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last time i heard him speak of it.. he was asking if anyone wanted a custom y pipe for turbo's to purchase
Originally posted by Y2KevSE
When did he say he was selling it? Last I heard he was doing something else with it.
Old Aug 17, 2001 | 07:19 PM
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Re: Uh Actually

Originally posted by Uncle Max
I won't be able to use the Turbo from my Bro in Law but I'll use the Front mount and wast gate and Bo but I just paid for a New Turbo $900 shipped and instead of using Rubens t3/t4 im going with a 60-1. Bigger =D
I know I already mentioned this on the VWVortexforum (im 4SFED 4), but Id make very sure that you will be able to spool that TO4 60-1 turbo. Is your turbo guy sure about the exhaust side? What AR are you going with?
Old Aug 18, 2001 | 12:22 AM
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Originally posted by SprintMax
he has no problems with my post.. because he knows i am just making sure he has covered all this bases and gaining information at the same time..

now why don't you go an edit your sig.. to reflect your new track test UDP .. 15 secs? is that what it is?
Yeah I know, you're the org Maxima police.

Yep, I ran a 15.03@93mph with a 2.30 60' my UDP. I'm sure the 90% humidity, 85 degree temp, and consistently slower 60 foots due to a steaming launch pad didn't influence my et vs when I was running 14.7-14.8 in 40% humidity and 55 degree weather. Like I said before, by comparing my ets from last year under similar conditions and the same mods except no UDP, my car is nearly .1 and .6mph quicker on average (16 runs) with the UDP with much of the gain realized within the first 1/8th.


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Old Aug 18, 2001 | 01:58 AM
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wait a minute....

Your going to use the 370cc injectors from a VG30DETT to supply the fuel for a 500hp+ turbo! LOL I'm not trying to flame but even with a T3/T04E would require 440cc injectors so you don't max them out before hitting max boost (around 22-24psi). I'd be the first to give props on the project, but damn a T60-1, I guess you'd be the first to get a custom gear set made after you've broken enough tranny's . Another thing is that turbo would be laggy if your keeping stock compression. For that low of boost a T3/TO4E would give you way more midrange torque.

Originally posted by Uncle Max
how much PSI do you plan to run?
No more than 10-lbs at first, but I'll probably only run about 8lbs

do you plan to upgrade your engine internals?
As of now we want to keep stck internals thats why we won't boost much.

are you running and Intercooler?
Front Mount I'll install this weekend ( I hope) i'll take pix.

have you upgraded your fuel pump?
Not Yet

are you relocating your battery for Turbo Fitment?
Yes

are you sending your ECU back to UPRD for remapping for the Turbo?
Nope, Next questions answers why.

are you going to be running engine managment on top of that?
Going with Haltech

are you upgrading your injectors?
Yup, 300x turbo injectors

are you upgrading your transmission and clutch?
5spd, yes upgrade fly wheel and clutch after show.

are you going to be running any additional electronics?
just regular gauges.

i am just curious..
That's coo. I'm sure there will be alot of questions. I know I had a few myself.
Old Aug 18, 2001 | 02:50 AM
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All I have to say is good luck. Wish I had the $$$ to experiment.
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Had the money, but not the time..

Bought a SC instead.

Now i have neither the money nor the time.
Old Aug 18, 2001 | 08:24 AM
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Re: wait a minute....

Originally posted by Nismo87SE
Your going to use the 370cc injectors from a VG30DETT to supply the fuel for a 500hp+ turbo! LOL I'm not trying to flame but even with a T3/T04E would require 440cc injectors so you don't max them out before hitting max boost (around 22-24psi). I'd be the first to give props on the project, but damn a T60-1, I guess you'd be the first to get a custom gear set made after you've broken enough tranny's . Another thing is that turbo would be laggy if your keeping stock compression. For that low of boost a T3/TO4E would give you way more midrange torque.

i thought he said he was goin to run 8lbs of boost?
Old Aug 18, 2001 | 08:41 AM
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Ari you did not read. He isn't going over 10lb of boost. Or he would blow the engine!! LOL, he would blow the engine before getting near 15.

Originally posted by Nismo87SE
Your going to use the 370cc injectors from a VG30DETT to supply the fuel for a 500hp+ turbo! LOL I'm not trying to flame but even with a T3/T04E would require 440cc injectors so you don't max them out before hitting max boost (around 22-24psi). I'd be the first to give props on the project, but damn a T60-1, I guess you'd be the first to get a custom gear set made after you've broken enough tranny's . Another thing is that turbo would be laggy if your keeping stock compression. For that low of boost a T3/TO4E would give you way more midrange torque.

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mmmmmm
interesting topic...

sounds good Uncle Max, now those wider rear tires will be useful! hahaha....juss kiddin man! i dont know if you want or need any of my help but hopefully you find this helpful.

the 300ZXTT injectors need to be 95 i belive. the earlier ones have different connectors that wont work. I think the T3/T4 would be more suited to the Max because it gives good flow and it can support 400+hp. The other turbo your planning to use is way too big, in my opinion. Remember bigger isnt always better. same with intercoolers. There is such thing as overkill.

with that i have a couple questions too. why are you relocating your battery for fitment? are you planning to upgrade your fuel pump? which wastegate are you planning to use? i hope you dont think im being nosy, i am juss wondering.
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1Max2NV,

the engine bay doesnt look one bit cluttered in the Max, espically after you look at the supercharger installed....man soooo much more room.

SprintMax,
i dont live on Clubmaxima!! hehehe
Old Aug 19, 2001 | 06:50 AM
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Originally posted by Turbo95Max
I think the T3/T4 would be more suited to the Max because it gives good flow and it can support 400+hp. The other turbo your planning to use is way too big, in my opinion. Remember bigger isnt always better. same with intercoolers. There is such thing as overkill.

I agree. I think a T3 exhaust housing with a Stage 3 wheel in a 0.63 housing would be just about right. On the cold side, a nice TO4B H3 wheel, or TO4E 57 trim , or something else of that approximate size, will do fine. Youll get good spool up and great top end.

I think you are going to need nitrous to spool that full 60-1.
Old Aug 19, 2001 | 12:47 PM
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Sorry guys I havn't Answered

I check the forum from work and I'm in Sunday gotta get all the OT so I can to get this project completes by Sept.
Ok I spoke to Jason friday since I've never been in the TURBO scene before so I don't know much about it. He mentioned that it's the Biggest T-3 made but still refers to it as a 60-1. He has all the spec's on it but I didn't grab them. As soon as I get it I'll post them to let you guys know exactly what I'm getting. Maybe I'm wrong on the size but I'm almost sure that's what I heard him say.


Also on the exhaust we're using the stock manifolds and making the piping to the Turbo using all 6 pistons.

As I get more info I'll post as much as I know. Thanks Turbo95. The injector info will help. I'm replacing the injectors to the Ztt injectors. And I'm not going over 10lbs if that. I do have another engine that I plan to build out but I'm not planning that just yet. One project at a time.

I don't mind any question or comments and I won't take any flames offensivly. No one thought I could put 18x10 in the rear and it worked (useless but it looks mean though). And like Turbo said maybe I'll put them to use now I can take a joke =D I'm trying to keep it different and as long as I can afford it Maybe something good will come out of this for the Maxima Community or maybe not. I like the way my 10's look and know I'm gonna LOVE the way my Turbo pulls (if it works )

keep'em coming. this just gives me more to ask about when talking to the tuner.
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hummmm......

only couple questions come to mind rite now. Where will they relocate the MAF sensor? will they hack the fan or motor mount? and where will the put the BOV? juss wondering.
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Originally posted by Turbo95Max
hummmm......

only couple questions come to mind rite now. Where will they relocate the MAF sensor? will they hack the fan or motor mount? and where will the put the BOV? juss wondering.
don't listen to this so called "turbomaxima" guy.. he doesn't even know about 97' injectors spraying more than teh 95 due to the ecu.. crazy..








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Old Aug 20, 2001 | 06:52 AM
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I'm not sure about BOV and Fan or Mount

once he starts the piping I'll find out. But I don't think he'd want to cut the motor mount. I believe he mentioned the Haltech would take the MAF sensos place. But I'm not sure. We're still in the early stages of getting this going. And there's alot of info I'm not sure of. I have alot of confidence in Jason and so does Francise being a Maxima fan. We'll get this to work with out a doubt =)
Here's a link to their shop.
http://www.texasperformance.com/
Man they got a quick 240 running 11.1 full interior and getting ready to run 10's. Probably not too quick for you Cali boys, but that's quick for a 240 down here.


Originally posted by Turbo95Max
hummmm......

only couple questions come to mind rite now. Where will they relocate the MAF sensor? will they hack the fan or motor mount? and where will the put the BOV? juss wondering.
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haha Mingo is dumb....

Uncle Max, keep us updated i guess. Later
oh that 240 is fast, dedicated race cars will be faster but those are all out race cars. I assume this is streetable.
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Yea Strret Driven

Originally posted by Turbo95Max
haha Mingo is dumb....

Uncle Max, keep us updated i guess. Later
oh that 240 is fast, dedicated race cars will be faster but those are all out race cars. I assume this is streetable.
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Yea Street Driven

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Originally posted by Turbo95Max
haha Mingo is dumb....

Uncle Max, keep us updated i guess. Later
oh that 240 is fast, dedicated race cars will be faster but those are all out race cars. I assume this is streetable.
Old Aug 28, 2001 | 06:47 AM
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Re: Yea Street Driven

Originally posted by Uncle Max
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how's the progress so far?
Old Aug 28, 2001 | 06:55 AM
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Mounted Intercooler Sat night

Originally posted by Vinipux


how's the progress so far?
Cut my forhead but it looks cool!!! Turbo gets here today. I hope.
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Haltech replaces the Mass Air with a 3 bar MAP sensor. Haltech allows total control of spark and fuel, which is what we will need.

I believe the Maxima uses an optical pickup for the crank like the 240. It took us awhile to figure out how to put haltech on the 240sx but we figured it out.

I believe the turbo has an A/R of .53.

The turbo 240sx went 10.83 @ 131mph. Street driven with exhaust on E/T Streets. It was running a monstrous t-70 on it with a shot of gas. The t-70 is WAY too large for the KA24 alone. Therefore, before the next race we are putting the 60-1 BB back on with gas and will hopefully hit solid mid 10's. http://www.houston-imports.com/index2.html has a great writeup on the turbo 240 and jason's 10 second hatchback. The 10 second hatchback which is also a street driven car was running a 60-1 with no nitrous. Big 720cc injectors and Accel DFI which made all the difference.
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In addition.
here are some videos of the turbo 240 in action.

Vs Steve Kan of RX7.com

http://www.texasperformance.com/vskan.mpg


http://www.texasperformance.com/duyincar.mpg

http://www.texasperformance.com/misshift.mpg



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