Anyone Challenge a M3
11-16-2001, 03:41 PM
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Anyone Challenge a M3
Hey anyone with a supercharger challenge a M3 to a highway race?
The DTM folks are talking a whole lotta stuff.
http://www.dtmpower.net/forum/showth...?threadid=3022
The DTM folks are talking a whole lotta stuff.
http://www.dtmpower.net/forum/showth...?threadid=3022
11-16-2001, 03:58 PM
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My next car will be an M3 with SMGII package. Hopefully by next Spring..
I checked that forum you posted and then checked that guys car and I do not think that is an M3.
I say this because he states the following:
1) 0-60mph in 6.4sec...that is slow. The 2001 M3 is listed as 4.7 seconds in most major car publications. I know the car that kid has is an E36 which were slower than the current E46 models, but 6.4 sounds way too slow.
2) 1/4 mile in 15.1sec. This sounds way too slow. New M3s run in the low 13's
3) I know the current M3 only comes in Coupes not Sedan's. I am not sure about the E36 model.
I think a Supercharged Max could take this kids car but a REAL 2001 M3 would smoke a Max with a SC. I think that kid just bought the emblems trying to make his car look like a M3.
I checked that forum you posted and then checked that guys car and I do not think that is an M3.
I say this because he states the following:
1) 0-60mph in 6.4sec...that is slow. The 2001 M3 is listed as 4.7 seconds in most major car publications. I know the car that kid has is an E36 which were slower than the current E46 models, but 6.4 sounds way too slow.
2) 1/4 mile in 15.1sec. This sounds way too slow. New M3s run in the low 13's
3) I know the current M3 only comes in Coupes not Sedan's. I am not sure about the E36 model.
I think a Supercharged Max could take this kids car but a REAL 2001 M3 would smoke a Max with a SC. I think that kid just bought the emblems trying to make his car look like a M3.
11-16-2001, 04:12 PM
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and by the way..in my opinion the 4th and 5th generation maximas are much better looking than the old (E36) 3 Series. Those old 3 series (1998 and older) are fokking really ugly. BUT the new model is beautiful. And I believe the M3 (E46) is the best sports car dollar for dollar. A little more expensive than a vette (coupe not Z06) but just as fast and MUCH more luxurious.
11-16-2001, 04:56 PM
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that guy has a 98 Max and it's AUTO. that's why the slow 0-60 times. I'm thinking SC MAX manual would take him pretty easily if MAX manual is 6.6 0-60. That's for 4th gen. 5th gen should as well, I would think.
Probably not an Auto SC MAX, then again, I'm just spouting off....
Probably not an Auto SC MAX, then again, I'm just spouting off....
11-16-2001, 05:49 PM
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I raced an asian guy in an m3 once. he won, but at the next red light, he opened his windows and told me he was impressed with the fact that I was able to keep up. He asked what I had and smiled while nodding his head. We became pretty good friends. He is now in my car club.
11-16-2001, 06:20 PM
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Originally posted by barrett58
and by the way..in my opinion the 4th and 5th generation maximas are much better looking than the old (E36) 3 Series. Those old 3 series (1998 and older) are fokking really ugly. BUT the new model is beautiful. And I believe the M3 (E46) is the best sports car dollar for dollar. A little more expensive than a vette (coupe not Z06) but just as fast and MUCH more luxurious.
and by the way..in my opinion the 4th and 5th generation maximas are much better looking than the old (E36) 3 Series. Those old 3 series (1998 and older) are fokking really ugly. BUT the new model is beautiful. And I believe the M3 (E46) is the best sports car dollar for dollar. A little more expensive than a vette (coupe not Z06) but just as fast and MUCH more luxurious.
As for them being ugly, I'd pick almost any E36 over a Maxima in terms of looks. For example, here's a pic of Shadow's car back in the day next to my friend's M3. Notice the compact and relatively sleek lines compared to Shadow's huge and bulbus 4th Gen. Of course we're talking stock vs. stock here but modified, an E36 can be very nice. Now the new E46 M3 has that goofy looking vent on the side which looks relatively out of place and 3 more mufflers than an inline 6 needs. Of course, the 5th Gen Max is even more bulbus and the tail lights are just plain ugly.
In my opinion, the E46 doesn't have the same level of performance as the Corvette and since most new M3's are running close to Z06 prices, I'd probably pick the Z06 unless I wanted a sedan version. The last M3 was all about balance and handling while the new one is about packing as much technology and power into a compact luxury car as possible w/ as much badging and trim to distinguish it from lower 3 series.
11-16-2001, 07:34 PM
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Z06 is ridiculous
Opinions vary...but the 2002 Z06 is one serious piece of machinery. In Car and Driver this month they timed the Z06 0-60 in 4.0 flat!!! That is only 0.1 slower than the 911 Turbo. But the Corvette is lacking in the interior. Too plasicy is the common complaint. I don't know why Chevy doesn't juice up the interior with some nice trim or wood. But the new M3 (in my opinion) is a perfect balance of speed, luxury and value (when compared to a CLK or Jaguar).
11-16-2001, 07:39 PM
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11-16-2001, 08:01 PM
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to them that board is worst than honda boards
11-16-2001, 08:45 PM
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Originally posted by Mishap
If anything the E36 M3 was a better sports car. It handled better, weighed less and didn't overdo it w/ electronics. I drove one for a week and a half and it was the best handling car I've ever driven. It had plenty of power and perfect balance. Floor it into a turn and it would drift smoothly through the arc.
As for them being ugly, I'd pick almost any E36 over a Maxima in terms of looks. For example, here's a pic of Shadow's car back in the day next to my friend's M3. Notice the compact and relatively sleek lines compared to Shadow's huge and bulbus 4th Gen. Of course we're talking stock vs. stock here but modified, an E36 can be very nice. Now the new E46 M3 has that goofy looking vent on the side which looks relatively out of place and 3 more mufflers than an inline 6 needs. Of course, the 5th Gen Max is even more bulbus and the tail lights are just plain ugly.
If anything the E36 M3 was a better sports car. It handled better, weighed less and didn't overdo it w/ electronics. I drove one for a week and a half and it was the best handling car I've ever driven. It had plenty of power and perfect balance. Floor it into a turn and it would drift smoothly through the arc.
As for them being ugly, I'd pick almost any E36 over a Maxima in terms of looks. For example, here's a pic of Shadow's car back in the day next to my friend's M3. Notice the compact and relatively sleek lines compared to Shadow's huge and bulbus 4th Gen. Of course we're talking stock vs. stock here but modified, an E36 can be very nice. Now the new E46 M3 has that goofy looking vent on the side which looks relatively out of place and 3 more mufflers than an inline 6 needs. Of course, the 5th Gen Max is even more bulbus and the tail lights are just plain ugly.
I happen to agree with you...the looks of the M3 (especially that vent!) are enough of a turn-off to swing me towards the 330.
11-16-2001, 09:00 PM
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Hey, M3 are nice cars and those guys over there can talk all the **** that they want, but what it come down to is that they paid twice as much for a car that is only marginally quicker then our cars. So f*ck them.
11-16-2001, 09:13 PM
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Originally posted by JUDE
Hey, M3 are nice cars and those guys over there can talk all the **** that they want, but what it come down to is that they paid twice as much for a car that is only marginally quicker then our cars. So f*ck them.
Hey, M3 are nice cars and those guys over there can talk all the **** that they want, but what it come down to is that they paid twice as much for a car that is only marginally quicker then our cars. So f*ck them.
What it comes down to is that you get what you pay for.
damnit...here I go again!
11-16-2001, 09:18 PM
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Originally posted by JUDE
Hey, M3 are nice cars and those guys over there can talk all the **** that they want, but what it come down to is that they paid twice as much for a car that is only marginally quicker then our cars. So f*ck them.
Hey, M3 are nice cars and those guys over there can talk all the **** that they want, but what it come down to is that they paid twice as much for a car that is only marginally quicker then our cars. So f*ck them.
11-17-2001, 12:20 PM
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Re: Z06 is ridiculous
Originally posted by barrett58
Opinions vary...but the 2002 Z06 is one serious piece of machinery. In Car and Driver this month they timed the Z06 0-60 in 4.0 flat!!!
Opinions vary...but the 2002 Z06 is one serious piece of machinery. In Car and Driver this month they timed the Z06 0-60 in 4.0 flat!!!
11-17-2001, 12:25 PM
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Originally posted by costcowholesale best hp for the buck is firebirds/cameros/mustangs, not maximas.
11-17-2001, 12:34 PM
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Originally posted by Craig Mack
The Maxima's VQ 4th Gen engine is equally or better built than the M3's, right ?
The Maxima's VQ 4th Gen engine is equally or better built than the M3's, right ?
11-17-2001, 12:54 PM
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Originally posted by Nealoc187
Haha dream on. The VQ is a great engine and has won tons of awards and all that jazz. I'll still take the 3.0 or 3.2L straight 6 any day.
Haha dream on. The VQ is a great engine and has won tons of awards and all that jazz. I'll still take the 3.0 or 3.2L straight 6 any day.
11-17-2001, 01:06 PM
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I sure hope they now, not all Maximas are slow. They are only limited on knowledge as they are limited on being thick-headed.
And to answer this thread, yes i have raced a ///M3 in my auto. Im not boosted but on the bottle.
I raced my friends ///M3 w/ exhaust (5-spd) from a dead stop to 100mph on a 50 shot. He gained but i pulled back and was about even @ 100mph. Now that im on a 100 shot, he doesnt even bother until he gets more mods. Till then, i am faster then his ///M3.
They are good cars and will always be faster then most Maximas but i'm all about surprises.
And to answer this thread, yes i have raced a ///M3 in my auto. Im not boosted but on the bottle.
I raced my friends ///M3 w/ exhaust (5-spd) from a dead stop to 100mph on a 50 shot. He gained but i pulled back and was about even @ 100mph. Now that im on a 100 shot, he doesnt even bother until he gets more mods. Till then, i am faster then his ///M3.
They are good cars and will always be faster then most Maximas but i'm all about surprises.
11-17-2001, 02:13 PM
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Originally posted by barrett58
and by the way..in my opinion the 4th and 5th generation maximas are much better looking than the old (E36) 3 Series. Those old 3 series (1998 and older) are fokking really ugly. BUT the new model is beautiful. And I believe the M3 (E46) is the best sports car dollar for dollar. A little more expensive than a vette (coupe not Z06) but just as fast and MUCH more luxurious.
and by the way..in my opinion the 4th and 5th generation maximas are much better looking than the old (E36) 3 Series. Those old 3 series (1998 and older) are fokking really ugly. BUT the new model is beautiful. And I believe the M3 (E46) is the best sports car dollar for dollar. A little more expensive than a vette (coupe not Z06) but just as fast and MUCH more luxurious.
11-17-2001, 02:57 PM
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Originally posted by DA-MAX
yeah that is if you can keep the unreliable SOBs out of the shop, its a kind of a trade off....American performance, but American reliability!
yeah that is if you can keep the unreliable SOBs out of the shop, its a kind of a trade off....American performance, but American reliability!
Your Maxima probably has about 160 RWHP.
An LS1 Z/28 has about 280-310 RWHP (they were under rated).
If you upped your RWHP to the level of a STOCK LS1, you'd be breaking alot more parts than the Z/28 (which is made to handle that). And the Z/28 costs a little bit less.
These cars are in totally different classes. There may be less Maximas in the shop because you've got alot less RWHP, and the little bolton mods that you do doesn't make too much of a difference. While hotrodding a Z/28 does make significant gains which translates into more abuse of the stock parts.
11-17-2001, 05:42 PM
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Originally posted by zaino2k
Your Maxima probably has about 160 RWHP.
An LS1 Z/28 has about 280-310 RWHP (they were under rated).
If you upped your RWHP to the level of a STOCK LS1, you'd be breaking alot more parts than the Z/28 (which is made to handle that). And the Z/28 costs a little bit less.
These cars are in totally different classes. There may be less Maximas in the shop because you've got alot less RWHP, and the little bolton mods that you do doesn't make too much of a difference. While hotrodding a Z/28 does make significant gains which translates into more abuse of the stock parts.
Your Maxima probably has about 160 RWHP.
An LS1 Z/28 has about 280-310 RWHP (they were under rated).
If you upped your RWHP to the level of a STOCK LS1, you'd be breaking alot more parts than the Z/28 (which is made to handle that). And the Z/28 costs a little bit less.
These cars are in totally different classes. There may be less Maximas in the shop because you've got alot less RWHP, and the little bolton mods that you do doesn't make too much of a difference. While hotrodding a Z/28 does make significant gains which translates into more abuse of the stock parts.
11-17-2001, 07:04 PM
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It's humorous to me how these types of discussions always turn into pi$$ing contests about which car is faster. IF that is what you want to concentrate on, then fine, that is what you should focus on.
But for most of us, you should be glad with what you have, and what it can do. Yes, a stock M3 is faster than a stock Maxima (especially the 2002 of each, both of which are considerably better than the previous version). The Maxima will be more comfortable, the M3 will turn better. The Maxima can take 5 people to lunch, the M3 can not. The Maxima will offer a lot of luxury and features for the money, the M3 will cost twice as much. For around $25,000 a car like the Camaro or Musting with some simple mods will be fast as $hiat and drive like cr@p, look like cr@p, rattle like cr@p and get laughed at like cr@p. But it WILL be fast. What do you really want? For me, balance is important between usability, speed, performance, reliability, luxury and cost, and the MAxima fits that bill very well.
I could afford an M3 if I wanted too (and the new ones ARE nice), but I would rather keep my boat and F150 and get a Maxima, also.
And if you want to beat EVERYBODY for less than $10 grand, get a sport bike!
But for most of us, you should be glad with what you have, and what it can do. Yes, a stock M3 is faster than a stock Maxima (especially the 2002 of each, both of which are considerably better than the previous version). The Maxima will be more comfortable, the M3 will turn better. The Maxima can take 5 people to lunch, the M3 can not. The Maxima will offer a lot of luxury and features for the money, the M3 will cost twice as much. For around $25,000 a car like the Camaro or Musting with some simple mods will be fast as $hiat and drive like cr@p, look like cr@p, rattle like cr@p and get laughed at like cr@p. But it WILL be fast. What do you really want? For me, balance is important between usability, speed, performance, reliability, luxury and cost, and the MAxima fits that bill very well.
I could afford an M3 if I wanted too (and the new ones ARE nice), but I would rather keep my boat and F150 and get a Maxima, also.
And if you want to beat EVERYBODY for less than $10 grand, get a sport bike!
11-17-2001, 07:07 PM
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Originally posted by 2k2se6spd
It's humorous to me how these types of discussions always turn into pi$$ing contests about which car is faster. IF that is what you want to concentrate on, then fine, that is what you should focus on.
But for most of us, you should be glad with what you have, and what it can do. Yes, a stock M3 is faster than a stock Maxima (especially the 2002 of each, both of which are considerably better than the previous version). The Maxima will be more comfortable, the M3 will turn better. The Maxima can take 5 people to lunch, the M3 can not. The Maxima will offer a lot of luxury and features for the money, the M3 will cost twice as much. For around $25,000 a car like the Camaro or Musting with some simple mods will be fast as $hiat and drive like cr@p, look like cr@p, rattle like cr@p and get laughed at like cr@p. But it WILL be fast. What do you really want? For me, balance is important between usability, speed, performance, reliability, luxury and cost, and the MAxima fits that bill very well.
I could afford an M3 if I wanted too (and the new ones ARE nice), but I would rather keep my boat and F150 and get a Maxima, also.
And if you want to beat EVERYBODY for less than $10 grand, get a sport bike!
It's humorous to me how these types of discussions always turn into pi$$ing contests about which car is faster. IF that is what you want to concentrate on, then fine, that is what you should focus on.
But for most of us, you should be glad with what you have, and what it can do. Yes, a stock M3 is faster than a stock Maxima (especially the 2002 of each, both of which are considerably better than the previous version). The Maxima will be more comfortable, the M3 will turn better. The Maxima can take 5 people to lunch, the M3 can not. The Maxima will offer a lot of luxury and features for the money, the M3 will cost twice as much. For around $25,000 a car like the Camaro or Musting with some simple mods will be fast as $hiat and drive like cr@p, look like cr@p, rattle like cr@p and get laughed at like cr@p. But it WILL be fast. What do you really want? For me, balance is important between usability, speed, performance, reliability, luxury and cost, and the MAxima fits that bill very well.
I could afford an M3 if I wanted too (and the new ones ARE nice), but I would rather keep my boat and F150 and get a Maxima, also.
And if you want to beat EVERYBODY for less than $10 grand, get a sport bike!
11-17-2001, 10:19 PM
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Originally posted by Nealoc187
Haha dream on. The VQ is a great engine and has won tons of awards and all that jazz. I'll still take the 3.0 or 3.2L straight 6 any day.
Haha dream on. The VQ is a great engine and has won tons of awards and all that jazz. I'll still take the 3.0 or 3.2L straight 6 any day.
i personally dont like the last gen m3, those are really ugly.
i cant believe those people are telling us 4th gen and 5th max are ugly, calling us BOX?????
look at the BOXY last gen m3, thats a real DEFINITION of a BOX.
11-17-2001, 11:29 PM
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Originally posted by LucentAUTO
i think 3 series has won more comparison test than any car. If u read auto mags, and when they have sedan test, 3 series wins most of the time, that tells you something. however of course, the price is up there.
i personally dont like the last gen m3, those are really ugly.
i cant believe those people are telling us 4th gen and 5th max are ugly, calling us BOX?????
look at the BOXY last gen m3, thats a real DEFINITION of a BOX.
i think 3 series has won more comparison test than any car. If u read auto mags, and when they have sedan test, 3 series wins most of the time, that tells you something. however of course, the price is up there.
i personally dont like the last gen m3, those are really ugly.
i cant believe those people are telling us 4th gen and 5th max are ugly, calling us BOX?????
look at the BOXY last gen m3, thats a real DEFINITION of a BOX.
11-18-2001, 12:36 AM
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Geez! These BMW guys are even worse then the CL-S, TL-S, and GTP guys.
All Japanese cars are rice? What an ignorant comment. Guess they think Supras, 300ZXs, RX7s, and VR4s are push over too, huh?
Talk about thick headed!
All Japanese cars are rice? What an ignorant comment. Guess they think Supras, 300ZXs, RX7s, and VR4s are push over too, huh?
Talk about thick headed!
11-18-2001, 01:09 PM
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Originally posted by Cumalot
Geez! These BMW guys are even worse then the CL-S, TL-S, and GTP guys.
All Japanese cars are rice? What an ignorant comment. Guess they think Supras, 300ZXs, RX7s, and VR4s are push over too, huh?
Talk about thick headed!
Geez! These BMW guys are even worse then the CL-S, TL-S, and GTP guys.
All Japanese cars are rice? What an ignorant comment. Guess they think Supras, 300ZXs, RX7s, and VR4s are push over too, huh?
Talk about thick headed!
11-18-2001, 03:27 PM
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Seraphim seems a little cocky for still being a newbie! Myself being a newbie, I'm just trying not to step on any toes till I get at least 50 posts! The general consensus seems to be "why pay 2x the amount for a car that is barely faster and doesn't offer the luxury as standard?" Those of us with Maxima's are pretty lucky. Very decent speed, reliability, luxury, space, nice looks, and a great community of enthusiasts that isn't (all) about ragging on other cars, though it is fun alot of the time!
11-19-2001, 07:54 AM
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I really like BMW, but those guys are full of ****. First of all, I have raced a few BMW, and yes I can say that they are fast, but let's compare apples to apples. Say you take an M3 and compare it to the Supra. Or the Z. They are some rich a$$ punks who think we shouldn't be interupting their golf outing or something (no offense to those who play golf) The maxima cost 25k less than an M3, so let me invest into my maxima 25k and we'll see who can win.
BMW:
· Big Money Works
· Bought My Wife
· Brutal Money Waster
· Break My Window
· Break My Windshield
· Babbling Mechanical Wench
· Barely Moving Wreck
· Big Money Waste
· Big Money. Why?
· Big Money Works
· Born Moderately Wealthy
· Breaks Most Wrenches
· Bring Many Wrenches
· Brings Me Women
· Brings More Women
· Broken Money Waster
· Broke My Wallet
· Broken Monstrous Wonder
· Bumbling Mechanical Wretch
· Blasphemous Motorized Wreck
BMW:
· Big Money Works
· Bought My Wife
· Brutal Money Waster
· Break My Window
· Break My Windshield
· Babbling Mechanical Wench
· Barely Moving Wreck
· Big Money Waste
· Big Money. Why?
· Big Money Works
· Born Moderately Wealthy
· Breaks Most Wrenches
· Bring Many Wrenches
· Brings Me Women
· Brings More Women
· Broken Money Waster
· Broke My Wallet
· Broken Monstrous Wonder
· Bumbling Mechanical Wretch
· Blasphemous Motorized Wreck
11-19-2001, 10:13 AM
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Originally posted by LucentAUTO
u must be from bmw forum.
welcome to maxima.org and thank you for calling cumalot riceboy.
btw wats ur 1/4 time?
u must be from bmw forum.
welcome to maxima.org and thank you for calling cumalot riceboy.
btw wats ur 1/4 time?
You thanking him for calling me a riceboy? lol...tell me you're kidding. My ride is as clean as it gets.