After 16hrs of labor, the S/C is back in Maxie!!, but....
12-08-2001, 11:05 PM
#1
After 16hrs of labor, the S/C is back in Maxie!!, but....
Sup,
Its now 1:30, and I just got home, throught a snow-storm i might add (not with maxie), and the s/c is finally back in Maxie. Everything seems ok. At idle, my A/F guage is on the leanest red mark, but when i rev it moves fine. The reason it took so long was because we got everything on at about 6:00 and we started it up and it started smoking. We had the belt routed wrong around the mounting plate, so we shut it off, and we had to take everything off again
Then, the second time tonite putting it on, we got everything squared away and it worked. The only concern I have is that its making a "grinding" sound or a kind-of metal on metal sound. It was making this sound before, but also leaking oil, and that is why I sent it back to Vortech in the first place. How could, basically, a brand new blower, make these noises?!?! This bothers me so much.
Please help me out guys, I have no idea why I'm getting screwed like this....
Its now 1:30, and I just got home, throught a snow-storm i might add (not with maxie), and the s/c is finally back in Maxie. Everything seems ok. At idle, my A/F guage is on the leanest red mark, but when i rev it moves fine. The reason it took so long was because we got everything on at about 6:00 and we started it up and it started smoking. We had the belt routed wrong around the mounting plate, so we shut it off, and we had to take everything off again
Then, the second time tonite putting it on, we got everything squared away and it worked. The only concern I have is that its making a "grinding" sound or a kind-of metal on metal sound. It was making this sound before, but also leaking oil, and that is why I sent it back to Vortech in the first place. How could, basically, a brand new blower, make these noises?!?! This bothers me so much.
Please help me out guys, I have no idea why I'm getting screwed like this....
12-09-2001, 01:11 PM
#9
Actually, she was there with me.....
My blower is a V2 model, in case that help with the decision on the sound its supposed to make....
Medic,
My car is going home to rochester to be garaged for a while, but i'll get you that ride in the spring..
-Mike
My blower is a V2 model, in case that help with the decision on the sound its supposed to make....
Medic,
My car is going home to rochester to be garaged for a while, but i'll get you that ride in the spring..
-Mike
12-09-2001, 02:29 PM
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Originally posted by Screaminfast
Actually, she was there with me.....
My blower is a V2 model, in case that help with the decision on the sound its supposed to make....
Medic,
My car is going home to rochester to be garaged for a while, but i'll get you that ride in the spring..
-Mike
Actually, she was there with me.....
My blower is a V2 model, in case that help with the decision on the sound its supposed to make....
Medic,
My car is going home to rochester to be garaged for a while, but i'll get you that ride in the spring..
-Mike
12-09-2001, 02:45 PM
#11
So I drove it back to my apt today, and I noticed somethings....
That buzzing/grinding/whirring sound goes away when i give it gas. Its only when its venting through the BOV. This is consistant with what max'nout said.
Some wires were hitting the fan blades, so I'm gonna move them tomorrow when I go back to the shop. Then I hit a bump, and there was a slapping sound, and I thought I snapped my belt again, but i popped the hood and everything seems ok. There was a piece of my old belt laying there so I think its that....I hope. Also, there seems to be some spray on the underside of the hood. I dont think its oil...doesn't smell like oil, could just be water or something.... Maybe you guys have the same thing???
And Lastly, The car is very jerky, almost hesitating. I think this is due to either bad MAF, bad O2 sensors, or my missing S-AFC. However I did connect the yellow and the white wires.
Thanks for all the help guys.
-Mike
That buzzing/grinding/whirring sound goes away when i give it gas. Its only when its venting through the BOV. This is consistant with what max'nout said.
Some wires were hitting the fan blades, so I'm gonna move them tomorrow when I go back to the shop. Then I hit a bump, and there was a slapping sound, and I thought I snapped my belt again, but i popped the hood and everything seems ok. There was a piece of my old belt laying there so I think its that....I hope. Also, there seems to be some spray on the underside of the hood. I dont think its oil...doesn't smell like oil, could just be water or something.... Maybe you guys have the same thing???
And Lastly, The car is very jerky, almost hesitating. I think this is due to either bad MAF, bad O2 sensors, or my missing S-AFC. However I did connect the yellow and the white wires.
Thanks for all the help guys.
-Mike
12-09-2001, 05:55 PM
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Originally posted by Screaminfast
So I drove it back to my apt today, and I noticed somethings....
That buzzing/grinding/whirring sound goes away when i give it gas. Its only when its venting through the BOV. This is consistant with what max'nout said.
Some wires were hitting the fan blades, so I'm gonna move them tomorrow when I go back to the shop. Then I hit a bump, and there was a slapping sound, and I thought I snapped my belt again, but i popped the hood and everything seems ok. There was a piece of my old belt laying there so I think its that....I hope. Also, there seems to be some spray on the underside of the hood. I dont think its oil...doesn't smell like oil, could just be water or something.... Maybe you guys have the same thing???
And Lastly, The car is very jerky, almost hesitating. I think this is due to either bad MAF, bad O2 sensors, or my missing S-AFC. However I did connect the yellow and the white wires.
Thanks for all the help guys.
-Mike
So I drove it back to my apt today, and I noticed somethings....
That buzzing/grinding/whirring sound goes away when i give it gas. Its only when its venting through the BOV. This is consistant with what max'nout said.
Some wires were hitting the fan blades, so I'm gonna move them tomorrow when I go back to the shop. Then I hit a bump, and there was a slapping sound, and I thought I snapped my belt again, but i popped the hood and everything seems ok. There was a piece of my old belt laying there so I think its that....I hope. Also, there seems to be some spray on the underside of the hood. I dont think its oil...doesn't smell like oil, could just be water or something.... Maybe you guys have the same thing???
And Lastly, The car is very jerky, almost hesitating. I think this is due to either bad MAF, bad O2 sensors, or my missing S-AFC. However I did connect the yellow and the white wires.
Thanks for all the help guys.
-Mike
The jerkyness could be 2 things, one the tranny is unable to handle the power and your need to mod it more, or somthing else. Do you have a 5 speed or auto?
12-09-2001, 06:09 PM
#13
Jason.. mike has 5spd with VSLD
on a side note..what kind of subs, components and head unit are you running? and your pipes.. is that for a FMIC?
on a side note..what kind of subs, components and head unit are you running? and your pipes.. is that for a FMIC?
Originally posted by max'n out
What wires are near the fan?????????? I dont' think I have any near the fan. The slaping sound my be the pipes hiting each other where they cross, I had that, it's simple to fix. I have no idea what that spray could be, can you discribe it better.
The jerkyness could be 2 things, one the tranny is unable to handle the power and your need to mod it more, or somthing else. Do you have a 5 speed or auto?
What wires are near the fan?????????? I dont' think I have any near the fan. The slaping sound my be the pipes hiting each other where they cross, I had that, it's simple to fix. I have no idea what that spray could be, can you discribe it better.
The jerkyness could be 2 things, one the tranny is unable to handle the power and your need to mod it more, or somthing else. Do you have a 5 speed or auto?
12-09-2001, 06:26 PM
#15
Originally posted by SprintMax
Jason.. mike has 5spd with VSLD
on a side note..what kind of subs, components and head unit are you running? and your pipes.. is that for a FMIC?
Jason.. mike has 5spd with VSLD
on a side note..what kind of subs, components and head unit are you running? and your pipes.. is that for a FMIC?
me?!?
Jason-
I dont have 2 pipes, mines a 4th gen....
Also, my friend thinks it could be that the gas lost its octane when my car sat for so long....so i might go get some octane booster and fill up with good gas....
However it would be an amazing coincedence if it happened when i went over a bump
12-09-2001, 06:31 PM
#16
no the stereo question and pipe question was to Jason..
anyway mike.. don't use octane boosters.. they are not good for your engine..
anyway mike.. don't use octane boosters.. they are not good for your engine..
Originally posted by Screaminfast
me?!?
Jason-
I dont have 2 pipes, mines a 4th gen....
Also, my friend thinks it could be that the gas lost its octane when my car sat for so long....so i might go get some octane booster and fill up with good gas....
However it would be an amazing coincedence if it happened when i went over a bump
me?!?
Jason-
I dont have 2 pipes, mines a 4th gen....
Also, my friend thinks it could be that the gas lost its octane when my car sat for so long....so i might go get some octane booster and fill up with good gas....
However it would be an amazing coincedence if it happened when i went over a bump
12-09-2001, 08:02 PM
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Originally posted by SprintMax
Jason.. mike has 5spd with VSLD
on a side note..what kind of subs, components and head unit are you running? and your pipes.. is that for a FMIC?
Jason.. mike has 5spd with VSLD
on a side note..what kind of subs, components and head unit are you running? and your pipes.. is that for a FMIC?
Not sure what that might be, any mods to it?Subs are nakamichi for now till the quarts go in, componets are mbquart q's till the qsd's go in and the head unit is a nakamichi mb100.
The pipes i'm talking about are where the intake pipe cross' over top of the pressure pipe going back to the tb.
12-09-2001, 10:16 PM
#20
Originally posted by ejj5875
Ooh, Rochester! Can theblue and I get a test ride?
Ooh, Rochester! Can theblue and I get a test ride?
Originally posted by SOLOBLAZER
Are you going to bring it to NYIRP when you are done?
Are you going to bring it to NYIRP when you are done?
I'll let you all know what I find tomorrow....
-Mike
12-09-2001, 10:19 PM
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Screaminfast
Sure, if its working correctly and when I have my AFC
[quote] Originally posted by SOLOBLAZER
Are you going to bring it to NYIRP when you are done?
No.
I'll let you all know what I find tomorrow....
-Mike
Let me know how you like the super afc, and I have a suggestion since yours is a fourth gen you might wanna get a custom intake pipe made to get some cooler air, it's not to fix the problem but just to get more power, it's worth it.
Sure, if its working correctly and when I have my AFC
[quote] Originally posted by SOLOBLAZER
Are you going to bring it to NYIRP when you are done?
No.
I'll let you all know what I find tomorrow....
-Mike
12-09-2001, 10:24 PM
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Originally posted by max'n out
Let me know how you like the super afc, and I have a suggestion since yours is a fourth gen you might wanna get a custom intake pipe made to get some cooler air, it's not to fix the problem but just to get more power, it's worth it.
Let me know how you like the super afc, and I have a suggestion since yours is a fourth gen you might wanna get a custom intake pipe made to get some cooler air, it's not to fix the problem but just to get more power, it's worth it.
Yea, I definitely am gonna get a custom pipe made possibly when I have my car at the shop for the AFC. You all know how it is though....its getting close to christmas and money is tight.
[shhh]i might be buying a ring this christmas too....[/shhh]
12-10-2001, 07:53 AM
#24
Originally posted by 2000 SE
If you think thats loud, you should have heard my V-1 A trim (pushing 10lbs of boost)I had on my 1993 Cobra. It was so loud that when I first put it on I didn't like it because I thought it made the car sound cheap.
If you think thats loud, you should have heard my V-1 A trim (pushing 10lbs of boost)I had on my 1993 Cobra. It was so loud that when I first put it on I didn't like it because I thought it made the car sound cheap.
BTW Jason, my tranny is HOOKED UP....I30 VLSD Tranny, Clutchmasters Stage 3 Clutch, Stillen Flywheel, I30 axles...
12-10-2001, 08:47 AM
#25
ok....
the problem was that the new belt was unraveling, so i cut the piece off at the base of it. However, it also seems that its one groove off on the supercharger pulley. I'm gonna go move it over one and hope that it doesn't snap on me.....
Also, it seems still to be leaking oil, but i dont know where from, so its really confusing.....
Maybe vortech did nothing and just charged me 600 bucks...
WTF is going on?!?
-Mike
the problem was that the new belt was unraveling, so i cut the piece off at the base of it. However, it also seems that its one groove off on the supercharger pulley. I'm gonna go move it over one and hope that it doesn't snap on me.....
Also, it seems still to be leaking oil, but i dont know where from, so its really confusing.....
Maybe vortech did nothing and just charged me 600 bucks...
WTF is going on?!?
-Mike
12-10-2001, 09:37 AM
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Originally posted by Screaminfast
ok....
the problem was that the new belt was unraveling, so i cut the piece off at the base of it. However, it also seems that its one groove off on the supercharger pulley. I'm gonna go move it over one and hope that it doesn't snap on me.....
Also, it seems still to be leaking oil, but i dont know where from, so its really confusing.....
Maybe vortech did nothing and just charged me 600 bucks...
WTF is going on?!?
-Mike
ok....
the problem was that the new belt was unraveling, so i cut the piece off at the base of it. However, it also seems that its one groove off on the supercharger pulley. I'm gonna go move it over one and hope that it doesn't snap on me.....
Also, it seems still to be leaking oil, but i dont know where from, so its really confusing.....
Maybe vortech did nothing and just charged me 600 bucks...
WTF is going on?!?
-Mike
You got some nice tranny mods I don't know why it would be heitating, it deff shoun't maybe theres a misfire? or somthing really odd.
12-10-2001, 03:19 PM
#27
Well...I found the leak....
I took the car to the dealer to have the PowerSteering belt replaced, which they did, and then the tech thinks he found where the oil was comin from. Its from behind the supercharger mounting plate. Apparently he thinks that the timing case is cracked. I was like OMG!!
The labor on that alone, not including taking off and putting on the supercharger, is 10.8 hrs, so about 700-800 bucks!!! WTF....the total is probably around 1500 which is insane.
My friend says to take the engine out and we'll just do it ourselves. Mount the blower off of the car and then put the engine back in.
Let me know what you all think....
-Mike
I took the car to the dealer to have the PowerSteering belt replaced, which they did, and then the tech thinks he found where the oil was comin from. Its from behind the supercharger mounting plate. Apparently he thinks that the timing case is cracked. I was like OMG!!
The labor on that alone, not including taking off and putting on the supercharger, is 10.8 hrs, so about 700-800 bucks!!! WTF....the total is probably around 1500 which is insane.
My friend says to take the engine out and we'll just do it ourselves. Mount the blower off of the car and then put the engine back in.
Let me know what you all think....
-Mike
12-10-2001, 04:43 PM
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Originally posted by Screaminfast
Well...I found the leak....
I took the car to the dealer to have the PowerSteering belt replaced, which they did, and then the tech thinks he found where the oil was comin from. Its from behind the supercharger mounting plate. Apparently he thinks that the timing case is cracked. I was like OMG!!
The labor on that alone, not including taking off and putting on the supercharger, is 10.8 hrs, so about 700-800 bucks!!! WTF....the total is probably around 1500 which is insane.
My friend says to take the engine out and we'll just do it ourselves. Mount the blower off of the car and then put the engine back in.
Let me know what you all think....
-Mike
Well...I found the leak....
I took the car to the dealer to have the PowerSteering belt replaced, which they did, and then the tech thinks he found where the oil was comin from. Its from behind the supercharger mounting plate. Apparently he thinks that the timing case is cracked. I was like OMG!!
The labor on that alone, not including taking off and putting on the supercharger, is 10.8 hrs, so about 700-800 bucks!!! WTF....the total is probably around 1500 which is insane.
My friend says to take the engine out and we'll just do it ourselves. Mount the blower off of the car and then put the engine back in.
Let me know what you all think....
-Mike
12-10-2001, 06:01 PM
#29
Originally posted by max'n out
Thats really sh**ty news. Take the supercharger off and see if thats it he could be wrong it could be coming out of the s/c around the mounting plate. But I don't think you have to remove the engine to get teh timeing case out I don't think, but could be wrong. If you had a pro put the s/c on take it to him and tell him he killed it and he has to fix it cuz it's his fault by law, free.
Thats really sh**ty news. Take the supercharger off and see if thats it he could be wrong it could be coming out of the s/c around the mounting plate. But I don't think you have to remove the engine to get teh timeing case out I don't think, but could be wrong. If you had a pro put the s/c on take it to him and tell him he killed it and he has to fix it cuz it's his fault by law, free.
well, i put it on, and i'm no pro apparently....however from what the guy showed me and from what he thought, he didn't think it came from the blower....plus the blower just got back from Vortech...
I think I might set the car aside and start my project of rebuilding an engine....
-Mike
12-10-2001, 07:46 PM
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Originally posted by Screaminfast
well, i put it on, and i'm no pro apparently....however from what the guy showed me and from what he thought, he didn't think it came from the blower....plus the blower just got back from Vortech...
I think I might set the car aside and start my project of rebuilding an engine....
-Mike
well, i put it on, and i'm no pro apparently....however from what the guy showed me and from what he thought, he didn't think it came from the blower....plus the blower just got back from Vortech...
I think I might set the car aside and start my project of rebuilding an engine....
-Mike
12-11-2001, 04:23 PM
#32
Originally posted by Y2KevSE
Did you use a good amount of sealer on the oil return plate? You said, "Its from behind the supercharger mounting plate" but did you check the return thingy-ma-jig?
Did you use a good amount of sealer on the oil return plate? You said, "Its from behind the supercharger mounting plate" but did you check the return thingy-ma-jig?
BTW, the price on the new cover is 400 bucks just for the part.
I think I might need to get a second engine.....muhahahaha.....My friend says there are places that will do a complete rebuild for around 3800 bucks, including the parts.
-Mike
12-15-2001, 06:54 AM
#37
Originally posted by yo_its_ok
Wait til you get into Cams, and ECU Matching to use 15Psi, titanium springs and retainers, and potentially beefier rings(2,2,3 vs 1,2,3)
maximize flow in the heads, and intake manifold. Valve job, Pistons and rods available from DET motor handle upwards of 18Psi, knife edged crank and rods, new journals, modified oil pan w/ modified scrapper, have the motor blue-printed, and don't forget to "close" the block...semi-open deck.
Wait til you get into Cams, and ECU Matching to use 15Psi, titanium springs and retainers, and potentially beefier rings(2,2,3 vs 1,2,3)
maximize flow in the heads, and intake manifold. Valve job, Pistons and rods available from DET motor handle upwards of 18Psi, knife edged crank and rods, new journals, modified oil pan w/ modified scrapper, have the motor blue-printed, and don't forget to "close" the block...semi-open deck.
I was honestly, thinking of taking the engine apart myself, or just shipping it to someone....
Either way, I want to run 12s and raise the redline....so..what do you think i should do?
12-15-2001, 11:05 AM
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Originally posted by Screaminfast
well, you just listed pretty much everything i want to eventually go to.... you know any good shops that would do some of this on my max?
I was honestly, thinking of taking the engine apart myself, or just shipping it to someone....
Either way, I want to run 12s and raise the redline....so..what do you think i should do?
well, you just listed pretty much everything i want to eventually go to.... you know any good shops that would do some of this on my max?
I was honestly, thinking of taking the engine apart myself, or just shipping it to someone....
Either way, I want to run 12s and raise the redline....so..what do you think i should do?
12-15-2001, 11:32 AM
#39
Originally posted by max'n out
There is a machine shop less than a mile from my house that does all rebuilding and mods to the internel of the engine send it to them. That way I can keep an eye on it for ya
There is a machine shop less than a mile from my house that does all rebuilding and mods to the internel of the engine send it to them. That way I can keep an eye on it for ya
Where are you located?!-Mike
12-15-2001, 12:09 PM
#40
Originally posted by Screaminfast
well, you just listed pretty much everything i want to eventually go to.... you know any good shops that would do some of this on my max?
I was honestly, thinking of taking the engine apart myself, or just shipping it to someone....
Either way, I want to run 12s and raise the redline....so..what do you think i should do?
well, you just listed pretty much everything i want to eventually go to.... you know any good shops that would do some of this on my max?
I was honestly, thinking of taking the engine apart myself, or just shipping it to someone....
Either way, I want to run 12s and raise the redline....so..what do you think i should do?