K40 or Valentine1?
04-04-2002, 06:14 PM
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K40 or Valentine1?
Hey
Wondering has anyone had experience with either one of these fine upper echelon radar detectors, I've had Cobras, Passports and Whislers, but Texas caved into the EPA and we are going from 70 mph back to 55mph and you can't be TOO prepared.
I'm wondering if $400 Valentine1 or $360-560+ is justified
Dave
Wondering has anyone had experience with either one of these fine upper echelon radar detectors, I've had Cobras, Passports and Whislers, but Texas caved into the EPA and we are going from 70 mph back to 55mph and you can't be TOO prepared.
I'm wondering if $400 Valentine1 or $360-560+ is justified
Dave
04-04-2002, 07:39 PM
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Re: K40 or Valentine1?
Originally posted by Coldboot-SE
Hey
Wondering has anyone had experience with either one of these fine upper echelon radar detectors, I've had Cobras, Passports and Whislers, but Texas caved into the EPA and we are going from 70 mph back to 55mph and you can't be TOO prepared.
I'm wondering if $400 Valentine1 or $360-560+ is justified
Dave
Hey
Wondering has anyone had experience with either one of these fine upper echelon radar detectors, I've had Cobras, Passports and Whislers, but Texas caved into the EPA and we are going from 70 mph back to 55mph and you can't be TOO prepared.
I'm wondering if $400 Valentine1 or $360-560+ is justified
Dave
04-04-2002, 10:03 PM
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Re: K40 or Valentine1?
Originally posted by Coldboot-SE
Hey
Wondering has anyone had experience with either one of these fine upper echelon radar detectors, I've had Cobras, Passports and Whislers, but Texas caved into the EPA and we are going from 70 mph back to 55mph and you can't be TOO prepared.
I'm wondering if $400 Valentine1 or $360-560+ is justified
Dave
Hey
Wondering has anyone had experience with either one of these fine upper echelon radar detectors, I've had Cobras, Passports and Whislers, but Texas caved into the EPA and we are going from 70 mph back to 55mph and you can't be TOO prepared.
I'm wondering if $400 Valentine1 or $360-560+ is justified
Dave
04-05-2002, 06:08 AM
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If you don't want to spend the $$ for the V1 - get a bel 950. Same as the 980 but without a couple of meaningless options. See the test below - gave it the same rating as the passport 8500 on performance and both outscored the V1. Can find it online for less than 200. Of course, you have to believe this test - I don't know who paid for it!!
http://www.radartest.com/DS4HEM.html
Only get the V1 if you think the arrows are worth the additional 200.
Only thing I don't like about it is that there is no wheel for the volume, you have to hold down a button to get it to change.
http://www.radartest.com/DS4HEM.html
Only get the V1 if you think the arrows are worth the additional 200.
Only thing I don't like about it is that there is no wheel for the volume, you have to hold down a button to get it to change.
04-05-2002, 06:27 AM
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Originally posted by Max_Gator
If you don't want to spend the $$ for the V1 - get a bel 950. Same as the 980 but without a couple of meaningless options. See the test below - gave it the same rating as the passport 8500 on performance and both outscored the V1. Can find it online for less than 200. Of course, you have to believe this test - I don't know who paid for it!!
http://www.radartest.com/DS4HEM.html
Only get the V1 if you think the arrows are worth the additional 200.
Only thing I don't like about it is that there is no wheel for the volume, you have to hold down a button to get it to change.
If you don't want to spend the $$ for the V1 - get a bel 950. Same as the 980 but without a couple of meaningless options. See the test below - gave it the same rating as the passport 8500 on performance and both outscored the V1. Can find it online for less than 200. Of course, you have to believe this test - I don't know who paid for it!!
http://www.radartest.com/DS4HEM.html
Only get the V1 if you think the arrows are worth the additional 200.
Only thing I don't like about it is that there is no wheel for the volume, you have to hold down a button to get it to change.
if want the best, go V1
if you want a pretender, get the 8500
04-05-2002, 06:36 AM
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Originally posted by bill99gxe
radartest.com isn't exactly a revered testing site and i for one do not trust their opinions
if want the best, go V1
if you want a pretender, get the 8500
radartest.com isn't exactly a revered testing site and i for one do not trust their opinions
if want the best, go V1
if you want a pretender, get the 8500
From what I can see they are performing real, controlled tests. I've read the guy's articles in automobile mag. In fact, they debunk a lot of the crap on the market.
I'm going to purchase another detector - since my wife now has mine - and would be interested if you have any other test sites/results you can refer me to.
04-05-2002, 06:46 AM
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Originally posted by bill99gxe
radartest.com isn't exactly a revered testing site and i for one do not trust their opinions
if want the best, go V1
if you want a pretender, get the 8500
radartest.com isn't exactly a revered testing site and i for one do not trust their opinions
if want the best, go V1
if you want a pretender, get the 8500
04-05-2002, 06:50 AM
#10
Originally posted by Max_Gator
Just curious, what makes you say that you don't trust their opinions?
Just curious, what makes you say that you don't trust their opinions?
Forum search results for "radartest":
http://forums.maxima.org/search.php?...der=descending
All pretty much good threads, and a couple of real world impressions. Shumax (who isn't exactly the best of friends with me) has one of the most comprehensive write-ups I have seen.
Some more search results here for "radartest.com":
http://forums.maxima.org/search.php?...der=descending
I would also suggest running through the vwvortex.com, f150online.com, and the Rustang world forums, searching for "radartest" or "radartest.com" to get their inputs as well.
04-05-2002, 06:51 AM
#11
Originally posted by JAIMECBR900
Pretender is kinda harsh for a radar that has a proven record of being the best time after time, until the V1 arrived. I give you that the v1 is the best, but 8500 as a "pretender" no way. Pretenders are most of the RD's bringing up the rear time after time and offering only a very cheap substitute for the only two or three that will do what they advertise.
Pretender is kinda harsh for a radar that has a proven record of being the best time after time, until the V1 arrived. I give you that the v1 is the best, but 8500 as a "pretender" no way. Pretenders are most of the RD's bringing up the rear time after time and offering only a very cheap substitute for the only two or three that will do what they advertise.
i stand by my opinion
04-05-2002, 07:47 AM
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Originally posted by Max_Gator
Just curious, what makes you say that you don't trust their opinions?
From what I can see they are performing real, controlled tests. I've read the guy's articles in automobile mag. In fact, they debunk a lot of the crap on the market.
I'm going to purchase another detector - since my wife now has mine - and would be interested if you have any other test sites/results you can refer me to.
Just curious, what makes you say that you don't trust their opinions?
From what I can see they are performing real, controlled tests. I've read the guy's articles in automobile mag. In fact, they debunk a lot of the crap on the market.
I'm going to purchase another detector - since my wife now has mine - and would be interested if you have any other test sites/results you can refer me to.
radartest.com has old...and some blatently WRONG information. first of all, their test is from a couple years ago, NOT of the current iterations of each detector. Plus, the guy who runs the site used to work for Escort back when Mike Valentine did (Mike
Valentine invented the V1)...and the guy absolutely despises Valentine...so right there...some bias.
If you just read the review of the 8500..and then the review of the Valentine 1 on radartest.com, it's very obvious that right from the start they had some vandetta against the V1.
They also blatelty report FALSE information. They state that the V1 is the bulkiest of all the detectors, when in actuality the 8500 is!! By 3 or 4 ounces. They also state that there is no dark mode or dimming feature on the V1, in acutality is had an AUTO dimmer that is light sensitive. Finally, they state that the V1 is not programmable....which is also a blatant lie....because the V1 IS programmable.
3 lies, plus a bias toward a certain dectector, and even some shady tests doesn't add up to a reputable source.
04-05-2002, 07:57 AM
#16
Originally posted by BriGuyMax
radartest.com has old...and some blatently WRONG information. first of all, their test is from a couple years ago, NOT of the current iterations of each detector. Plus, the guy who runs the site used to work for Escort back when Mike Valentine did (Mike
Valentine invented the V1)...and the guy absolutely despises Valentine...so right there...some bias.
If you just read the review of the 8500..and then the review of the Valentine 1 on radartest.com, it's very obvious that right from the start they had some vandetta against the V1.
They also blatelty report FALSE information. They state that the V1 is the bulkiest of all the detectors, when in actuality the 8500 is!! By 3 or 4 ounces. They also state that there is no dark mode or dimming feature on the V1, in acutality is had an AUTO dimmer that is light sensitive. Finally, they state that the V1 is not programmable....which is also a blatant lie....because the V1 IS programmable.
3 lies, plus a bias toward a certain dectector, and even some shady tests doesn't add up to a reputable source.
radartest.com has old...and some blatently WRONG information. first of all, their test is from a couple years ago, NOT of the current iterations of each detector. Plus, the guy who runs the site used to work for Escort back when Mike Valentine did (Mike
Valentine invented the V1)...and the guy absolutely despises Valentine...so right there...some bias.
If you just read the review of the 8500..and then the review of the Valentine 1 on radartest.com, it's very obvious that right from the start they had some vandetta against the V1.
They also blatelty report FALSE information. They state that the V1 is the bulkiest of all the detectors, when in actuality the 8500 is!! By 3 or 4 ounces. They also state that there is no dark mode or dimming feature on the V1, in acutality is had an AUTO dimmer that is light sensitive. Finally, they state that the V1 is not programmable....which is also a blatant lie....because the V1 IS programmable.
3 lies, plus a bias toward a certain dectector, and even some shady tests doesn't add up to a reputable source.
and by using the search function results I supplied, the "Cliff's Notes" version Brian supplied above would be understood by the user.....
04-05-2002, 08:36 AM
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the comments...
Originally posted by Max_Gator
If you don't want to spend the $$ for the V1 - get a bel 950. Same as the 980 but without a couple of meaningless options. See the test below - gave it the same rating as the passport 8500 on performance and both outscored the V1. Can find it online for less than 200. Of course, you have to believe this test - I don't know who paid for it!!
http://www.radartest.com/DS4HEM.html
Only get the V1 if you think the arrows are worth the additional 200.
Only thing I don't like about it is that there is no wheel for the volume, you have to hold down a button to get it to change.
If you don't want to spend the $$ for the V1 - get a bel 950. Same as the 980 but without a couple of meaningless options. See the test below - gave it the same rating as the passport 8500 on performance and both outscored the V1. Can find it online for less than 200. Of course, you have to believe this test - I don't know who paid for it!!
http://www.radartest.com/DS4HEM.html
Only get the V1 if you think the arrows are worth the additional 200.
Only thing I don't like about it is that there is no wheel for the volume, you have to hold down a button to get it to change.
The comments of a true idiot. Have you done testing to *PROVE* that your Bel is the *same* as the V1, minus the arrows? If so, I withdraw my "idiot" comment. If not, don't make comments like this. The Bel is not in the same league. I have done testing and writeups on the org about the V1 vs. the 8500 and the Bel.
04-05-2002, 08:38 AM
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hey!
Originally posted by bill99gxe
Forum search results for "radartest":
http://forums.maxima.org/search.php?...der=descending
All pretty much good threads, and a couple of real world impressions. Shumax (who isn't exactly the best of friends with me) has one of the most comprehensive write-ups I have seen.
Some more search results here for "radartest.com":
http://forums.maxima.org/search.php?...der=descending
I would also suggest running through the vwvortex.com, f150online.com, and the Rustang world forums, searching for "radartest" or "radartest.com" to get their inputs as well. [/B]
Forum search results for "radartest":
http://forums.maxima.org/search.php?...der=descending
All pretty much good threads, and a couple of real world impressions. Shumax (who isn't exactly the best of friends with me) has one of the most comprehensive write-ups I have seen.
Some more search results here for "radartest.com":
http://forums.maxima.org/search.php?...der=descending
I would also suggest running through the vwvortex.com, f150online.com, and the Rustang world forums, searching for "radartest" or "radartest.com" to get their inputs as well. [/B]
04-05-2002, 08:52 AM
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Re: hey!
Originally posted by shumax
Come on now Big-Brother Bill. I have cooled down on you. In fact, from what I have read in the past 4 months, I am *starting* to respect you:0 Hell, the purchase of the S2000 made it that much better for me anyway. Thanks for the kind words on the writeup.
Come on now Big-Brother Bill. I have cooled down on you. In fact, from what I have read in the past 4 months, I am *starting* to respect you:0 Hell, the purchase of the S2000 made it that much better for me anyway. Thanks for the kind words on the writeup.
You deserved the kind words for the writeup as it's one of the best I've seen. I'm assuming we aren't exactly on each other's Christmas card list otherwise and I wanted to point that out to make my opinion at least seem somewhat subjective.
I was trying to lead Max_Gator to the light rather than call names since he rarely expresses thoughts that I believe are ignorant on the board.
04-05-2002, 09:53 AM
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Re: Re: hey!
Originally posted by bill99gxe
shumax,
You deserved the kind words for the writeup as it's one of the best I've seen. I'm assuming we aren't exactly on each other's Christmas card list otherwise and I wanted to point that out to make my opinion at least seem somewhat subjective.
I was trying to lead Max_Gator to the light rather than call names since he rarely expresses thoughts that I believe are ignorant on the board.
shumax,
You deserved the kind words for the writeup as it's one of the best I've seen. I'm assuming we aren't exactly on each other's Christmas card list otherwise and I wanted to point that out to make my opinion at least seem somewhat subjective.
I was trying to lead Max_Gator to the light rather than call names since he rarely expresses thoughts that I believe are ignorant on the board.
04-05-2002, 11:20 AM
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Re: the comments...
Originally posted by shumax
The comments of a true idiot. Have you done testing to *PROVE* that your Bel is the *same* as the V1, minus the arrows? If so, I withdraw my "idiot" comment. If not, don't make comments like this. The Bel is not in the same league. I have done testing and writeups on the org about the V1 vs. the 8500 and the Bel.
The comments of a true idiot. Have you done testing to *PROVE* that your Bel is the *same* as the V1, minus the arrows? If so, I withdraw my "idiot" comment. If not, don't make comments like this. The Bel is not in the same league. I have done testing and writeups on the org about the V1 vs. the 8500 and the Bel.
Excuse me for stating an opinion and PROVIDING A BASIS FOR THAT OPINION, that you, in your infinite wisdom and knowledge happen to believe is incorrect and in conflict with your understanding of the cosmos.
I commend you on your testing and writeups on the org regarding the subject.
Perhaps we could start a relationship of sorts here. Whenever I want to post my opinion or any information what-so-ever, I will e-mail it to you first for your review. Only when you deem it to fit within your understanding of what is correct, will I be allowed to post.
Perhaps you could read my threads regarding dyno testing and my variable intake system and confirm that everything I have posted is correct in your eye. . . It would put me at ease.
Until now, I thought that there was only one omniscient being on this board. Thankfully, I now know of you.
It is truly fortunate for me; it saves me from vainly attempting to express what I think of you. I'm certain you already know and would tell me I am wrong.
Now, where is that smiley shooting a bird?
04-05-2002, 12:03 PM
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Re: Re: the comments...
Originally posted by Max_Gator
Excuse me for stating an opinion and PROVIDING A BASIS FOR THAT OPINION, that you, in your infinite wisdom and knowledge happen to believe is incorrect and in conflict with your understanding of the cosmos.
I commend you on your testing and writeups on the org regarding the subject.
Perhaps we could start a relationship of sorts here. Whenever I want to post my opinion or any information what-so-ever, I will e-mail it to you first for your review. Only when you deem it to fit within your understanding of what is correct, will I be allowed to post.
Perhaps you could read my threads regarding dyno testing and my variable intake system and confirm that everything I have posted is correct in your eye. . . It would put me at ease.
Until now, I thought that there was only one omniscient being on this board. Thankfully, I now know of you.
It is truly fortunate for me; it saves me from vainly attempting to express what I think of you. I'm certain you already know and would tell me I am wrong.
Now, where is that smiley shooting a bird?
Excuse me for stating an opinion and PROVIDING A BASIS FOR THAT OPINION, that you, in your infinite wisdom and knowledge happen to believe is incorrect and in conflict with your understanding of the cosmos.
I commend you on your testing and writeups on the org regarding the subject.
Perhaps we could start a relationship of sorts here. Whenever I want to post my opinion or any information what-so-ever, I will e-mail it to you first for your review. Only when you deem it to fit within your understanding of what is correct, will I be allowed to post.
Perhaps you could read my threads regarding dyno testing and my variable intake system and confirm that everything I have posted is correct in your eye. . . It would put me at ease.
Until now, I thought that there was only one omniscient being on this board. Thankfully, I now know of you.
It is truly fortunate for me; it saves me from vainly attempting to express what I think of you. I'm certain you already know and would tell me I am wrong.
Now, where is that smiley shooting a bird?
04-05-2002, 12:54 PM
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Re: Re: the comments...
Originally posted by Max_Gator
Excuse me for stating an opinion and PROVIDING A BASIS FOR THAT OPINION, that you, in your infinite wisdom and knowledge happen to believe is incorrect and in conflict with your understanding of the cosmos.
I commend you on your testing and writeups on the org regarding the subject.
Perhaps we could start a relationship of sorts here. Whenever I want to post my opinion or any information what-so-ever, I will e-mail it to you first for your review. Only when you deem it to fit within your understanding of what is correct, will I be allowed to post.
Perhaps you could read my threads regarding dyno testing and my variable intake system and confirm that everything I have posted is correct in your eye. . . It would put me at ease.
Until now, I thought that there was only one omniscient being on this board. Thankfully, I now know of you.
It is truly fortunate for me; it saves me from vainly attempting to express what I think of you. I'm certain you already know and would tell me I am wrong.
Now, where is that smiley shooting a bird?
Excuse me for stating an opinion and PROVIDING A BASIS FOR THAT OPINION, that you, in your infinite wisdom and knowledge happen to believe is incorrect and in conflict with your understanding of the cosmos.
I commend you on your testing and writeups on the org regarding the subject.
Perhaps we could start a relationship of sorts here. Whenever I want to post my opinion or any information what-so-ever, I will e-mail it to you first for your review. Only when you deem it to fit within your understanding of what is correct, will I be allowed to post.
Perhaps you could read my threads regarding dyno testing and my variable intake system and confirm that everything I have posted is correct in your eye. . . It would put me at ease.
Until now, I thought that there was only one omniscient being on this board. Thankfully, I now know of you.
It is truly fortunate for me; it saves me from vainly attempting to express what I think of you. I'm certain you already know and would tell me I am wrong.
Now, where is that smiley shooting a bird?
04-05-2002, 01:04 PM
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sorry but I need to say it again...
Take it from a habitual speeder!
Got V1 or Go Home!
Sorry...I just feel so strongly in certain products that I need to run my mouth about it. It is soooo rare that a product which is hyed so much actually works like it is supposed to. The V1 actaully exceeded my expectations.
It's worth every $$$ and it just looks cool!
-Jeremy
BTW does anybody have any pics of hidden installs... If so I would love to see them.
Got V1 or Go Home!
Sorry...I just feel so strongly in certain products that I need to run my mouth about it. It is soooo rare that a product which is hyed so much actually works like it is supposed to. The V1 actaully exceeded my expectations.
It's worth every $$$ and it just looks cool!
-Jeremy
BTW does anybody have any pics of hidden installs... If so I would love to see them.
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