What's the Best Handling car you can get under 27k?
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11-29-2000, 11:57 AM
#7
A Maxima with an aftermarket suspension of course
QUOTE]Originally posted by Pappa Grande
Just curious,
What's the best handling car based on suspension that you can get for under 27K besides the ITR.
thanks
PG [/QUOTE]
QUOTE]Originally posted by Pappa Grande
Just curious,
What's the best handling car based on suspension that you can get for under 27K besides the ITR.
thanks
PG [/QUOTE]
11-29-2000, 12:00 PM
#8
gotta love those M3's
used to work at VOB, and the lower center of gravity and wider body stance was great trhough corners at high speeds!! what about the M5's anybody been lucky enough to drive one?? (*droooool*)
11-29-2000, 12:02 PM
#9
Re: Who wins ITR v. Prelude?
Originally posted by Pappa Grande
Huh, I didn't know that...Who wins ITR v. Prelude?
Huh, I didn't know that...Who wins ITR v. Prelude?
Originally posted by Kenneth
honda prelude sh, hands down stock
honda prelude sh, hands down stock
11-29-2000, 01:11 PM
#11
Originally posted by Lordrandall
1988 CRX HF w/ coil-overs.
1988 CRX HF w/ coil-overs.
I want a toy car...just for corners!
five
11-29-2000, 01:35 PM
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Well, among new cars (not modified):
Prolly toss up between Celica GTR and Prelude Type SH. I remember that the Celica whooped the Integra GSR in a comparo, but did not perform as well as a ITR.
I heard the Miata and MR-S are also very capable handlers, but they are less practical than four seater coupes (although in reality only children fit into the back seats of Preludes and Celicas). Last time I rode in the back seat of a 2k Celica I almost ended up with neck spasms since the ceiling was so low.
Prolly toss up between Celica GTR and Prelude Type SH. I remember that the Celica whooped the Integra GSR in a comparo, but did not perform as well as a ITR.
I heard the Miata and MR-S are also very capable handlers, but they are less practical than four seater coupes (although in reality only children fit into the back seats of Preludes and Celicas). Last time I rode in the back seat of a 2k Celica I almost ended up with neck spasms since the ceiling was so low.
11-29-2000, 02:49 PM
#14
Brand new car I would choose >>>>>
The MAZDA MIATA !!!!! As for used cars I would choose the 1993-1995 Mazda RX-7. Stock for Stock these 2 cars are number 1 in their repective SCCA Autocross designations. The RX-7 is in Super Stock and the Miata is B stock.
11-29-2000, 03:17 PM
#15
give me a few months and I'll be pulling over 1Gs in my Miata. I've got half my full race suspension setup on order; the other half will be done in a few months. I don't want to throw it all on at once because I want to feel the differences that each mod does.
I'm still debating between a full roll cage or just a roll bar behind the seats.
a used M3 can be found under $27,000..
as forementioned, the Prelude is great, as are the Miatas & MR2 Spider.
I'm still debating between a full roll cage or just a roll bar behind the seats.
a used M3 can be found under $27,000..
as forementioned, the Prelude is great, as are the Miatas & MR2 Spider.
11-29-2000, 03:21 PM
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if you're talking about a 2001 production car...
I will say the MR-S is the best handling vehicle under 27k. Earlier this year a magazine did a comparison between the MR-S and the Miata and found that the MR-S handles a bit better than the Miata.
11-29-2000, 03:23 PM
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Re: gotta love those M3's
Originally posted by DA-MAX
used to work at VOB, and the lower center of gravity and wider body stance was great trhough corners at high speeds!! what about the M5's anybody been lucky enough to drive one?? (*droooool*)
used to work at VOB, and the lower center of gravity and wider body stance was great trhough corners at high speeds!! what about the M5's anybody been lucky enough to drive one?? (*droooool*)
11-29-2000, 03:35 PM
#18
Phuong >>>>>>
Originally posted by got rice?
give me a few months and I'll be pulling over 1Gs in my Miata. I've got half my full race suspension setup on order; the other half will be done in a few months. I don't want to throw it all on at once because I want to feel the differences that each mod does.
I'm still debating between a full roll cage or just a roll bar behind the seats.
a used M3 can be found under $27,000..
as forementioned, the Prelude is great, as are the Miatas & MR2 Spider.
give me a few months and I'll be pulling over 1Gs in my Miata. I've got half my full race suspension setup on order; the other half will be done in a few months. I don't want to throw it all on at once because I want to feel the differences that each mod does.
I'm still debating between a full roll cage or just a roll bar behind the seats.
a used M3 can be found under $27,000..
as forementioned, the Prelude is great, as are the Miatas & MR2 Spider.
What year and color is your Miata ????? Before my 300ZTT I had a Blue 1992 B package, 5 speed with the LSD. That was the FUNNEST car I ever had, it was also the fastest shifting and best shifting car. Just wish it had more power. Those cars are incredible in autoX, All I had was tires at one point and that thing stuck like gum on your shoe. Just adding swaybars, springs, Koni shocks, and god tires will make you have a 1+ G car. After a while I added Headers, exhaust, Jackson CAI, and it made it better, but I think you should save up for the Flying Miata Turbo kits they will make your Miata a 13 to 12 sec Quartermile car depending on the type of turbo you get. Keep me informed of it.
11-29-2000, 03:41 PM
#19
Re: Phuong >>>>>>
Originally posted by JULIAN
What year and color is your Miata ????? Before my 300ZTT I had a Blue 1992 B package, 5 speed with the LSD. That was the FUNNEST car I ever had, it was also the fastest shifting and best shifting car. Just wish it had more power. Those cars are incredible in autoX, All I had was tires at one point and that thing stuck like gum on your shoe. Just adding swaybars, springs, Koni shocks, and god tires will make you have a 1+ G car. After a while I added Headers, exhaust, Jackson CAI, and it made it better, but I think you should save up for the Flying Miata Turbo kits they will make your Miata a 13 to 12 sec Quartermile car depending on the type of turbo you get. Keep me informed of it.
What year and color is your Miata ????? Before my 300ZTT I had a Blue 1992 B package, 5 speed with the LSD. That was the FUNNEST car I ever had, it was also the fastest shifting and best shifting car. Just wish it had more power. Those cars are incredible in autoX, All I had was tires at one point and that thing stuck like gum on your shoe. Just adding swaybars, springs, Koni shocks, and god tires will make you have a 1+ G car. After a while I added Headers, exhaust, Jackson CAI, and it made it better, but I think you should save up for the Flying Miata Turbo kits they will make your Miata a 13 to 12 sec Quartermile car depending on the type of turbo you get. Keep me informed of it.
I'm not worrying about hp mods til after the suspension is complete. Thermal catback and an intake system later (stille deciding which). Once I'm off warranty, I'll be slapping on a TDO4 turbo kit... 250-270 hp in no time. If I add NOS, 300-330 easily.. can you say low 12s/high 11s?? hehe
it's hard to resist not getting the stuff now because I can get everything at dealer cost..
11-29-2000, 04:18 PM
#20
Re: Phuong >>>>>>
Which turbo kit are you getting ???? I always thought the FM was the best out there. There is another one made by Peformance Buyers Club I believe, they have the Aeromax system, looks pretty good.
11-29-2000, 10:47 PM
#24
You could get a 911 or 930 for that. 80's of course.
Maybe a slant nose and turbo charger. Ebay has had a few gorgeous ones in recent months. All from Cali.
Do you have 27k in cash or are you going to get a loan.
If you have cash give it to me and I will make your payments on time every month.
Maybe a slant nose and turbo charger. Ebay has had a few gorgeous ones in recent months. All from Cali.
Do you have 27k in cash or are you going to get a loan.
If you have cash give it to me and I will make your payments on time every month.
11-30-2000, 06:08 AM
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Originally posted by Lordrandall
1988 CRX HF w/ coil-overs.
1988 CRX HF w/ coil-overs.
Modified, nope. The first gen CRX had a shorter wheelbase (by about 4.5") and weighed a few hundred pounds less (an 86 HF weighed in at 1700 lb!). You want a really fun car for under $10k, get an 86 HF, swap in a 1st gen integra motor, axle, and breaks, throw on a turbo kit, and do coilovers. That would be an amazing car and would cost less than a new ford focus! If I weren't broke and I didn't have such a crappy CRX, I'd do it...
11-30-2000, 06:33 AM
#27
Re: Re: Phuong >>>>>>
Originally posted by JULIAN
Which turbo kit are you getting ???? I always thought the FM was the best out there. There is another one made by Peformance Buyers Club I believe, they have the Aeromax system, looks pretty good.
Which turbo kit are you getting ???? I always thought the FM was the best out there. There is another one made by Peformance Buyers Club I believe, they have the Aeromax system, looks pretty good.
11-30-2000, 09:39 AM
#28
Originally posted by deathwish
Stock, no way Modified, nope. The first gen CRX had a shorter wheelbase (by about 4.5") and weighed a few hundred pounds less (an 86 HF weighed in at 1700 lb!). You want a really fun car for under $10k, get an 86 HF, swap in a 1st gen integra motor, axle, and breaks, throw on a turbo kit, and do coilovers. That would be an amazing car and would cost less than a new ford focus! If I weren't broke and I didn't have such a crappy CRX, I'd do it...
Stock, no way
Modified, nope. The first gen CRX had a shorter wheelbase (by about 4.5") and weighed a few hundred pounds less (an 86 HF weighed in at 1700 lb!). You want a really fun car for under $10k, get an 86 HF, swap in a 1st gen integra motor, axle, and breaks, throw on a turbo kit, and do coilovers. That would be an amazing car and would cost less than a new ford focus! If I weren't broke and I didn't have such a crappy CRX, I'd do it...
11-30-2000, 11:32 AM
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Skidpad doesn't necessarily weed out the best...
Slalom is probably a better tell-tale because you have transitions. Anyway, My '97 WS.6 pulled .91 BEFORE the Eibachs lowered it, so who knows now. '80 Celica w/ Tokicos and TRD springs, Addco bars pulls over 1.0g. I prefer the Celica because you can flick it around but in wide open spaces the T/A reigns superior. Datsun 510's are a BLAST though too.
Prelude? Bah. FWD will never come close to RWD. The SH ATTS gadget just adds weight, according to every review I've read - they had top-notch drivers out there who couldn't tell a difference between the standard one and the ATTS equipped car (Road & Track). Who want's torque steer when you're at the limit. Besides, didn't a Mustang outhandle the Preludes for a few years running? Talk about lame suspension...
I would have to vote for the RX-7 if we are talking stock. I know where there's a damn sweet '93 for sale w/ 40k miles, an HKS EVC and other goodies. I'd buy it but the wife would slaughter me. Besides, I hate red.
-Jacob
Prelude? Bah. FWD will never come close to RWD. The SH ATTS gadget just adds weight, according to every review I've read - they had top-notch drivers out there who couldn't tell a difference between the standard one and the ATTS equipped car (Road & Track). Who want's torque steer when you're at the limit. Besides, didn't a Mustang outhandle the Preludes for a few years running? Talk about lame suspension...
I would have to vote for the RX-7 if we are talking stock. I know where there's a damn sweet '93 for sale w/ 40k miles, an HKS EVC and other goodies. I'd buy it but the wife would slaughter me. Besides, I hate red.
-Jacob
11-30-2000, 11:55 AM
#31
jacob >>>
You my kinda man.. hehe no really about that celi.. lets see.. in 1980 the celi looked like.. errr nevermind .. I'm still on a quest for another supra 82-85 (early 86 as well) has to be 5spd.. can have a trashed motor as long as the bodies good.. I love those old toyotas... (shhh I'll get murdered if anyone hears that!).. also know anyone that needs any supra parts?? I've got an 85 and a 82 that aren't worth my time to restore...
.. I'm still on a quest for another supra 82-85 (early 86 as well) has to be 5spd.. can have a trashed motor as long as the bodies good.. I love those old toyotas... (shhh I'll get murdered if anyone hears that!).. also know anyone that needs any supra parts?? I've got an 85 and a 82 that aren't worth my time to restore...
Originally posted by jacob
Slalom is probably a better tell-tale because you have transitions. Anyway, My '97 WS.6 pulled .91 BEFORE the Eibachs lowered it, so who knows now. '80 Celica w/ Tokicos and TRD springs, Addco bars pulls over 1.0g. I prefer the Celica because you can flick it around but in wide open spaces the T/A reigns superior. Datsun 510's are a BLAST though too.
Prelude? Bah. FWD will never come close to RWD. The SH ATTS gadget just adds weight, according to every review I've read - they had top-notch drivers out there who couldn't tell a difference between the standard one and the ATTS equipped car (Road & Track). Who want's torque steer when you're at the limit. Besides, didn't a Mustang outhandle the Preludes for a few years running? Talk about lame suspension...
I would have to vote for the RX-7 if we are talking stock. I know where there's a damn sweet '93 for sale w/ 40k miles, an HKS EVC and other goodies. I'd buy it but the wife would slaughter me. Besides, I hate red.
-Jacob
Slalom is probably a better tell-tale because you have transitions. Anyway, My '97 WS.6 pulled .91 BEFORE the Eibachs lowered it, so who knows now. '80 Celica w/ Tokicos and TRD springs, Addco bars pulls over 1.0g. I prefer the Celica because you can flick it around but in wide open spaces the T/A reigns superior. Datsun 510's are a BLAST though too.
Prelude? Bah. FWD will never come close to RWD. The SH ATTS gadget just adds weight, according to every review I've read - they had top-notch drivers out there who couldn't tell a difference between the standard one and the ATTS equipped car (Road & Track). Who want's torque steer when you're at the limit. Besides, didn't a Mustang outhandle the Preludes for a few years running? Talk about lame suspension...
I would have to vote for the RX-7 if we are talking stock. I know where there's a damn sweet '93 for sale w/ 40k miles, an HKS EVC and other goodies. I'd buy it but the wife would slaughter me. Besides, I hate red.
-Jacob
11-30-2000, 12:26 PM
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Hey, Yeah '80 Celica LB was ***-ugly - like a stretch Pacer or something. Mine is a Coupe which I think is actually a nice looking car.
Send me an email and I will forward it to the Old Toyota List.
Send to:
toybutta@yahoo.com
-Jacob
Send me an email and I will forward it to the Old Toyota List.
Send to:
toybutta@yahoo.com
-Jacob
11-30-2000, 05:24 PM
#36
Originally posted by deathwish
No CRX has ever had any type of rear steering to my knowledge... Are you think of a prelude?
No CRX has ever had any type of rear steering to my knowledge... Are you think of a prelude?
"The '88 CRX also has a different rear suspension than any other CRX. Honda's unique sort-of-double-wishbone, sort-of-trailing-arm rear suspension uses a toe control link and a compliance bushing in concert to give a passive rear steering effect."
There is more, but that gives you the general idea.
11-30-2000, 08:08 PM
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Jacob, wasssup, how's ol Toybutta doing? Funny seeing you here, Tim K was just telling me you were eyeing a Max. I'm gonna hop back on OCC this weekend.
anyway I am just here to admit, that an old school Toy can keep pace with many a new car My first SCCA solo in my Celica (no previous experience), I placed third out of about 40 Toyotas, mostly 3rd gen Supras (the heavy ones). Heck I even beat a Viper by a few tenths.
No way my Max can keep up, but on a drag strip, it's the Max, hands down!
anyway I am just here to admit, that an old school Toy can keep pace with many a new car
My first SCCA solo in my Celica (no previous experience), I placed third out of about 40 Toyotas, mostly 3rd gen Supras (the heavy ones). Heck I even beat a Viper by a few tenths. No way my Max can keep up, but on a drag strip, it's the Max, hands down!
12-01-2000, 07:37 AM
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Hey...
Yeah I'm looking at basically what you got - but dark blue. '93 SE 5spd w/ black leather. How you like the car so far?
Toybutta is doing great, though needs some work. Moved to be a daily driver now that I am selling off cars. Found some rust under those dreaded rocker-moldings. Other than that, great. Still pondering engine choices as the 20R gets older and older. 86k miles and counting.
Later,
Jacob
Toybutta is doing great, though needs some work. Moved to be a daily driver now that I am selling off cars. Found some rust under those dreaded rocker-moldings. Other than that, great. Still pondering engine choices as the 20R gets older and older. 86k miles and counting.
Later,
Jacob
12-01-2000, 07:54 AM
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Some of the 90-92 Preludes came with 4WS, or four wheel steering. I had a 90 Prelude 4WS, and the turning was incredible! You could really see the back wheels turning, felt like you were gliding! Any one know why they stopped making them?
Originally posted by deathwish
No CRX has ever had any type of rear steering to my knowledge... Are you think of a prelude?
Originally posted by Lordrandall
Did the 86 have passive rear wheel steering like the 88?
Did the 86 have passive rear wheel steering like the 88?
12-01-2000, 08:03 AM
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Originally posted by Lordrandall
Quoting from the December 2K SCC:
"The '88 CRX also has a different rear suspension than any other CRX. Honda's unique sort-of-double-wishbone, sort-of-trailing-arm rear suspension uses a toe control link and a compliance bushing in concert to give a passive rear steering effect."
There is more, but that gives you the general idea.
Originally posted by deathwish
No CRX has ever had any type of rear steering to my knowledge... Are you think of a prelude?
No CRX has ever had any type of rear steering to my knowledge... Are you think of a prelude?
"The '88 CRX also has a different rear suspension than any other CRX. Honda's unique sort-of-double-wishbone, sort-of-trailing-arm rear suspension uses a toe control link and a compliance bushing in concert to give a passive rear steering effect."
There is more, but that gives you the general idea.
You got a few sort-of things that kinda give a passive rear steering effect... I doubt if that made much significant improvements in handling. I'm not convinced any type of rear steering is all that great, considering the extra weight and cost invovled. Several cars have used it in the past and it's never really caught on...