Not all Contour SVTs are easy kills for the Maxima
05-16-2002, 10:16 AM
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Not all Contour SVTs are easy kills for the Maxima
I went out to the track with Soon2BMaxed (Trevor) last night and meet up with the Kansas City SVT Contour group. I was running consistent 14.9s at almost 95mph and Trevor was running pretty consistently in the ultra low 15s@92 with just an intake, revised B-pipe, and muffler. The SVTs generally had intake and exhaust work. 3 of them were consistently in the mid 15s at around 90mph or so. The SC SVT had a tranny problem and didn't run, but the other NA SVT was VERY impressive. The owner had an intake, chip, full on exhaust, AFC, MAF (I believe), and a completely revised intake manifold. The SVTs come stock with variable runner intake manifolds. He removed the butterflies and did a little porting and port matching. He ran a couple 14.8s, a 14.9, and then a 14.75@95mph. His 60 foots were no better than mine, but his car really started to get going once into 2nd gear.
Dave
Dave
05-16-2002, 10:27 AM
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Wow getting rid of the varible intake. Odd and interesting at the same time. I always liked the SVT contour. Ford's attempt to bring some of their European flavor to the usa. Too bad sales for this car was horrible. I liked alot of things about the SVT. Dual exhaust, mesh grile, SVT mustang style wheels, Mesh/M3 style bumper cut-out in the rear, nice motor, fairly light car, nice suspension etc...Little too small for my taste but I much rather have the SVT than maybe a Mazda 626/Honda accord/Toyota corolla etc....
05-16-2002, 12:23 PM
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That engine is only about 2.5 liters. Not bad for such a small na motor.
Originally posted by BriGuyMax
Yea...but look how much extra work he had to do to be as fast as a basic bolt-on max...
plus it's a FORD
Yea...but look how much extra work he had to do to be as fast as a basic bolt-on max...
plus it's a FORD
05-16-2002, 12:26 PM
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Originally posted by Jeff92se
That engine is only about 2.5 liters. Not bad for such a small na motor.
That engine is only about 2.5 liters. Not bad for such a small na motor.
05-16-2002, 12:33 PM
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Originally posted by BriGuyMax
yea..it is impressive...but it's still a FORD...just like the old Taurus SHO...great engine..but the rest of the car falls apart.
yea..it is impressive...but it's still a FORD...just like the old Taurus SHO...great engine..but the rest of the car falls apart.
05-16-2002, 12:34 PM
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I used to have one before I got my Maxima . . . a 98.5 E1 SVT. I did have a few problems with it, hence the reason for selling. If not for the reliability issues, I would have gladly kept it, it was a great car. The leather seats in the Contour are sooo much better than the Max, it had a killer exhaust note (I used to drive around with the windows down just so I could hear it), it would have no problems outhandling a Maxima, but in a straight line, give me my 6-speed. Plus, those suckers are rare, I only see about one every couple of months around here.
05-16-2002, 12:36 PM
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That was one of the cars I was looking at when I bought my VE, but it seemed like too much money for less car (than the VE).
One of the few American 4-doors with a decent amount of power, and a 5-speed, not bad.
One of the few American 4-doors with a decent amount of power, and a 5-speed, not bad.
05-16-2002, 12:50 PM
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yeah, that silver SVT was pretty sweet! the guy was cool too, he knew his stuff. i like the idea of how he ported the intake manifold but i dont like the loss on low end (and having to launch so high, like 4-5k right dave?) i really wanted the SC'ed one to run but he blew the differential or something or another...my runs were pretty crappy. best 60ft was 2.31 
and our cars were heatsoaked so bad i could've baked a pizza....the 12 seconmd MR2 was nice to watch whoopin' up on the viper though.
Trevor
and our cars were heatsoaked so bad i could've baked a pizza....the 12 seconmd MR2 was nice to watch whoopin' up on the viper though.Trevor
05-16-2002, 01:23 PM
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2.5L -> 3.0L upgrade
Over on the SVT site, there's a forum specific to 3L upgrades. These guys are putting out up to 270HP/255Ft-lbs from a 3 liter duratec.
Not too shabby. I have to decide between that for the SVT or the MEVI + bolt-ons route for the Max.
I'm curious to see if the Jaguar X-Type 3-way pipes will work on the SVTs.
Not too shabby. I have to decide between that for the SVT or the MEVI + bolt-ons route for the Max.
I'm curious to see if the Jaguar X-Type 3-way pipes will work on the SVTs.
Originally posted by Jeff92se
That engine is only about 2.5 liters. Not bad for such a small na motor.
That engine is only about 2.5 liters. Not bad for such a small na motor.
05-16-2002, 02:25 PM
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Re: 2.5L -> 3.0L upgrade
Originally posted by philpoe
Over on the SVT site, there's a forum specific to 3L upgrades. These guys are putting out up to 270HP/255Ft-lbs from a 3 liter duratec.
Not too shabby. I have to decide between that for the SVT or the MEVI + bolt-ons route for the Max.
I'm curious to see if the Jaguar X-Type 3-way pipes will work on the SVTs.
Over on the SVT site, there's a forum specific to 3L upgrades. These guys are putting out up to 270HP/255Ft-lbs from a 3 liter duratec.
Not too shabby. I have to decide between that for the SVT or the MEVI + bolt-ons route for the Max.
I'm curious to see if the Jaguar X-Type 3-way pipes will work on the SVTs.
05-16-2002, 09:32 PM
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I don't know of anyone that's putting down 270fwhp with the 3L swap unless he's running NOS or the SC. The biggest advantage of the 3L swap is that they gain some much needed torque. The problem is no one has really figured out how to tune the 3L swap.
As for the SVT that ran the 14.7@95mph last night, I got on his site and found out how modified he really was:
MSD headers/y-pipe port matched
custom programmed 75MM MAF
custom burned chip
Apexi AFC
underdrive pullies
K&N intake and heatshield
bored out 65mm TB
port matched lower and upper manifolds
variable intake butterflies removed, opened passage
relocated IAT
full catback
Dynabatt battery 13lbs
He makes 187fwhp and 163fwtq WITHOUT the new intake manifold. This motor actually makes power to 7000+ rpms. All and all, very impressive.
Dave
As for the SVT that ran the 14.7@95mph last night, I got on his site and found out how modified he really was:
MSD headers/y-pipe port matched
custom programmed 75MM MAF
custom burned chip
Apexi AFC
underdrive pullies
K&N intake and heatshield
bored out 65mm TB
port matched lower and upper manifolds
variable intake butterflies removed, opened passage
relocated IAT
full catback
Dynabatt battery 13lbs
He makes 187fwhp and 163fwtq WITHOUT the new intake manifold. This motor actually makes power to 7000+ rpms. All and all, very impressive.
Dave
05-16-2002, 09:55 PM
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Originally posted by mitch33x
don't force me to link the video of me beating you by 20 car lengths
don't force me to link the video of me beating you by 20 car lengths
shhh! that's supposed to be a secret! hahaha
too bad that was my first run EVER beeotch. your *** was half way down the track by the time i realized i needed to go. lol you had a great run tho! (lucky beeotch
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05-16-2002, 09:58 PM
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Originally posted by SVTour98
shhh! that's supposed to be a secret! hahaha
too bad that was my first run EVER beeotch. your *** was half way down the track by the time i realized i needed to go. lol you had a great run tho! (lucky beeotch)
shhh! that's supposed to be a secret! hahaha
too bad that was my first run EVER beeotch. your *** was half way down the track by the time i realized i needed to go. lol you had a great run tho! (lucky beeotch
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you are still a newbie..hahahahha
Oh wait..this isn't CEG
Ian
working on new sig at some point
05-17-2002, 07:13 AM
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270HP SVTs
There was one that I saw early on in the conversions that was "heavily" modified that putting out 270 (I mean est at the crank btw). I can't recall the link, but the SHO Shop also has an SVT also supposedly gets 270.
Though they may be the exception, it's not uncommon to see 240-250HP with some combination of pipes exhaust, and ECU.
As you said, the bigger deal is that the torque gain is impressive and over a much broader range.
So much for the Yamaha 3L in the SHO (yeah, I know, available much earlier). The Duratec is apparently not to be trifled with. Dare I say that it compares favorably to a VQ with MEVI? I wonder how the JDM VQs with VI are getting 220HP and the converters here aren't seeing a peak HP jump...
Though they may be the exception, it's not uncommon to see 240-250HP with some combination of pipes exhaust, and ECU.
As you said, the bigger deal is that the torque gain is impressive and over a much broader range.
So much for the Yamaha 3L in the SHO (yeah, I know, available much earlier). The Duratec is apparently not to be trifled with. Dare I say that it compares favorably to a VQ with MEVI? I wonder how the JDM VQs with VI are getting 220HP and the converters here aren't seeing a peak HP jump...
Originally posted by Dave B
I don't know of anyone that's putting down 270fwhp with the 3L swap unless he's running NOS or the SC. The biggest advantage of the 3L swap is that they gain some much needed torque. The problem is no one has really figured out how to tune the 3L swap.
As for the SVT that ran the 14.7@95mph last night, I got on his site and found out how modified he really was:
MSD headers/y-pipe port matched
custom programmed 75MM MAF
custom burned chip
Apexi AFC
underdrive pullies
K&N intake and heatshield
bored out 65mm TB
port matched lower and upper manifolds
variable intake butterflies removed, opened passage
relocated IAT
full catback
Dynabatt battery 13lbs
He makes 187fwhp and 163fwtq WITHOUT the new intake manifold. This motor actually makes power to 7000+ rpms. All and all, very impressive.
Dave
I don't know of anyone that's putting down 270fwhp with the 3L swap unless he's running NOS or the SC. The biggest advantage of the 3L swap is that they gain some much needed torque. The problem is no one has really figured out how to tune the 3L swap.
As for the SVT that ran the 14.7@95mph last night, I got on his site and found out how modified he really was:
MSD headers/y-pipe port matched
custom programmed 75MM MAF
custom burned chip
Apexi AFC
underdrive pullies
K&N intake and heatshield
bored out 65mm TB
port matched lower and upper manifolds
variable intake butterflies removed, opened passage
relocated IAT
full catback
Dynabatt battery 13lbs
He makes 187fwhp and 163fwtq WITHOUT the new intake manifold. This motor actually makes power to 7000+ rpms. All and all, very impressive.
Dave
05-17-2002, 10:38 AM
#23
Originally posted by Italic Ian
I love the "Its nice, but its still a Ford comments"
Ian
93 SHO 5 speed
I love the "Its nice, but its still a Ford comments"
Ian
93 SHO 5 speed
The two I have owned in the past treated me great.
05-17-2002, 08:46 PM
#27
Originally posted by shi89max
My redline is about 6.8...i have a 2.5 duratech if you didnt know
My redline is about 6.8...i have a 2.5 duratech if you didnt know
- M
05-17-2002, 09:30 PM
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Originally posted by mattC
I think it's closer to 7... then again i dont drive your car every day. I'm still pretty sure i shifted around 7.1 when we were at NED.
- M
I think it's closer to 7... then again i dont drive your car every day. I'm still pretty sure i shifted around 7.1 when we were at NED.
- M
05-19-2002, 09:41 PM
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I'm so ticked. I went down to Warpspeed to get the SFC Stage 1s put on my car yesterday and while I was there, Dallas sold me the upper resonator bypass pipe so my intake setup would look a little cleaner. I was running a HKS part which was modifed to delete the upper resonator. In this pipe was a hook up for the temp sensor which I sealed off recently to relocate my temp sensor (at least I thought I sealed it right). GuidoSST (Dave) looked thru the pipe when I had it off and noticed that the hole was NOT sealed!!! I had a 1/2" open hole venting to the atmosphere in my intake after the MAF!!! No wonder my car's intake was noticably quieter and my car had felt lethargic for the past two weeks. I put the Warpspeed pipe on and my car was MUCH stronger. Dare I say it felt like I had just added a y-pipe. This ticks me off because I KNOW I would have been quicker than that SVT. I couldn't figure out why my car was doing so poorly in the 1/8 mile. Now I know.
BTW, the SFCs are incredible.
Dave
BTW, the SFCs are incredible.
Dave
05-23-2002, 11:59 AM
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Originally posted by Dave B
I'm so ticked. I went down to Warpspeed to get the SFC Stage 1s put on my car yesterday and while I was there, Dallas sold me the upper resonator bypass pipe so my intake setup would look a little cleaner. I was running a HKS part which was modifed to delete the upper resonator. In this pipe was a hook up for the temp sensor which I sealed off recently to relocate my temp sensor (at least I thought I sealed it right). GuidoSST (Dave) looked thru the pipe when I had it off and noticed that the hole was NOT sealed!!! I had a 1/2" open hole venting to the atmosphere in my intake after the MAF!!! No wonder my car's intake was noticably quieter and my car had felt lethargic for the past two weeks. I put the Warpspeed pipe on and my car was MUCH stronger. Dare I say it felt like I had just added a y-pipe. This ticks me off because I KNOW I would have been quicker than that SVT. I couldn't figure out why my car was doing so poorly in the 1/8 mile. Now I know.
BTW, the SFCs are incredible.
Dave
I'm so ticked. I went down to Warpspeed to get the SFC Stage 1s put on my car yesterday and while I was there, Dallas sold me the upper resonator bypass pipe so my intake setup would look a little cleaner. I was running a HKS part which was modifed to delete the upper resonator. In this pipe was a hook up for the temp sensor which I sealed off recently to relocate my temp sensor (at least I thought I sealed it right). GuidoSST (Dave) looked thru the pipe when I had it off and noticed that the hole was NOT sealed!!! I had a 1/2" open hole venting to the atmosphere in my intake after the MAF!!! No wonder my car's intake was noticably quieter and my car had felt lethargic for the past two weeks. I put the Warpspeed pipe on and my car was MUCH stronger. Dare I say it felt like I had just added a y-pipe. This ticks me off because I KNOW I would have been quicker than that SVT. I couldn't figure out why my car was doing so poorly in the 1/8 mile. Now I know.
BTW, the SFCs are incredible.
Dave
05-23-2002, 02:48 PM
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Originally posted by Soon2BMaxed
i was wondering why you were only running 1/10th of a second faster than me with all the mods u have....i wanna see the SFCs. i wonder if me and brian could make our own (he works at a machine shop)
i was wondering why you were only running 1/10th of a second faster than me with all the mods u have....i wanna see the SFCs. i wonder if me and brian could make our own (he works at a machine shop)
BTW, I don't think I'll be racing at the Image event. I want to give my car a break from racing. Since it will be June and in the daytime, the temps are going to make for some crappy ETs. I'm pretty sure I'd be the quickest NA 4-door out there, but since there is not a bracket for NA 4-doors I'm not going to waste the time or abise on my car.
Dave
05-23-2002, 08:09 PM
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Originally posted by Dave B
I too was wondering why I was only .1-.2 quicker than you. My trap speeds were a bit higher, but not my ETs. At the Image event I'll show you the SFCs. Making a custom set won't be easy. The piping is a very thick guage and requires quite a few subtle and correct bends to butt up against the unibody rails. You'd be better served paying $150 for a set that you know will fit right the first time.
BTW, I don't think I'll be racing at the Image event. I want to give my car a break from racing. Since it will be June and in the daytime, the temps are going to make for some crappy ETs. I'm pretty sure I'd be the quickest NA 4-door out there, but since there is not a bracket for NA 4-doors I'm not going to waste the time or abise on my car.
Dave
I too was wondering why I was only .1-.2 quicker than you. My trap speeds were a bit higher, but not my ETs. At the Image event I'll show you the SFCs. Making a custom set won't be easy. The piping is a very thick guage and requires quite a few subtle and correct bends to butt up against the unibody rails. You'd be better served paying $150 for a set that you know will fit right the first time.
BTW, I don't think I'll be racing at the Image event. I want to give my car a break from racing. Since it will be June and in the daytime, the temps are going to make for some crappy ETs. I'm pretty sure I'd be the quickest NA 4-door out there, but since there is not a bracket for NA 4-doors I'm not going to waste the time or abise on my car.
Dave
) i am going to race at the image event, but probably not more than 2-3 runs because the im sure it will be hot and the heatsoaking does me no good. i am going to bring ice this time though. also, i got bored the other day and i was going to make a heat shield but the way my filter sits is kinda weird. with the bottom of the stock airbox on the filter sits pretty high. anyways so i put the bottom portion on, cut a piece of sheet metal to cover the back of the filter and ran a ghetto (G_H_E_T_T_O) heater hose from the hole in the airbox to the bottom of my car. it gives the "ram-air" effect. it may help and it may not. who knows, if i get enough people laughing at me then i will take it off.
Trevor
p.s. i don't want your shift boot anymore because i just got in on the leatherseats.com group deal for the e-brake boot and shifter boot.
