Stock VE 5-speed dyno.... (pic)
05-20-2002, 06:27 PM
#5
Originally posted by Bryan H
hmm, wowies
nice rough line
hehehe
new plugs and timing advance will do wonders.
hmm, wowies
nice rough line
hehehe
new plugs and timing advance will do wonders.
05-20-2002, 06:30 PM
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actually, this is wierd
the lines on my old ve looked about the same, put a new alternator on. smoothed right out. once of the smoothest i have ever seen actually
this was also at the same time i did the tb boring and port matching. so who knows.
the lines on my old ve looked about the same, put a new alternator on. smoothed right out. once of the smoothest i have ever seen actually
this was also at the same time i did the tb boring and port matching. so who knows.
05-20-2002, 07:32 PM
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Originally posted by Bryan H
dump the a/c belt
timing mod
remove the silencer. helps even with the stock air box
plugs, and other funky things should be closer to 170
dump the a/c belt
timing mod
remove the silencer. helps even with the stock air box
plugs, and other funky things should be closer to 170
05-21-2002, 01:00 PM
#13
Originally posted by DaBoxSE
anyone have a stock VG 5 speed dyno chart? it would be very lovely.
anyone have a stock VG 5 speed dyno chart? it would be very lovely.
05-21-2002, 05:11 PM
#15
Originally posted by DA-MAX
I haven't seen a 5spd but I've seen a "baaically" stock auto(except for 2.5" catback)...Hojo put down 127hp in his so you know the 5spd is probably in the mid/upper 130s if not 140s I guess!
I haven't seen a 5spd but I've seen a "baaically" stock auto(except for 2.5" catback)...Hojo put down 127hp in his so you know the 5spd is probably in the mid/upper 130s if not 140s I guess!
05-21-2002, 06:33 PM
#16
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Not to sound like an a$$ nor am I trying to start another VE vs VQ thread, but I have still yet to see this "mad" topend power of the VE. All I'm seeing here is that the VE peaks at 5700rpms vs the VQ's 5400 peak. Everyone with a VE proclaims this motor pulls hard to redline (6500). What I'm seeing here is a motor that only pulls to 5700 and then starts to fall quite dramatically after 6000.
BTW, don't tell me that adding a Y-pipe/intake/exhaust/etc will increase peak power rpm because it doesn't. The only way to increase peak power rpm is to rework the intake manifold/cam/heads.
Dave
BTW, don't tell me that adding a Y-pipe/intake/exhaust/etc will increase peak power rpm because it doesn't. The only way to increase peak power rpm is to rework the intake manifold/cam/heads.
Dave
05-21-2002, 08:13 PM
#17
I guess you would have to drive one to see what everyone is talking about. I quote Brian V on this, he drives a 97 SE 5 speed with every mod possible and a S/C. He drove the bone stock VE 5 speed. "Man this thing has mad top end, it should be able to hang with, if not beat pretty much any VQ 5 speed." 
Please, no more VE vs. VQ Lets kill it now.
Please, no more VE vs. VQ Lets kill it now.
05-21-2002, 08:29 PM
#18
My modded ve pulls right into the rpm cutoff. I actually hit the rev limiter all the time because it doesn't feel like it's run out of breath. I raced a stock 5-sp VQ w/ 17" rims. He would get the jump but he would have to shift earlier than me.
Originally posted by Dave B
Not to sound like an a$$ nor am I trying to start another VE vs VQ thread, but I have still yet to see this "mad" topend power of the VE. All I'm seeing here is that the VE peaks at 5700rpms vs the VQ's 5400 peak. Everyone with a VE proclaims this motor pulls hard to redline (6500). What I'm seeing here is a motor that only pulls to 5700 and then starts to fall quite dramatically after 6000.
BTW, don't tell me that adding a Y-pipe/intake/exhaust/etc will increase peak power rpm because it doesn't. The only way to increase peak power rpm is to rework the intake manifold/cam/heads.
Dave
Not to sound like an a$$ nor am I trying to start another VE vs VQ thread, but I have still yet to see this "mad" topend power of the VE. All I'm seeing here is that the VE peaks at 5700rpms vs the VQ's 5400 peak. Everyone with a VE proclaims this motor pulls hard to redline (6500). What I'm seeing here is a motor that only pulls to 5700 and then starts to fall quite dramatically after 6000.
BTW, don't tell me that adding a Y-pipe/intake/exhaust/etc will increase peak power rpm because it doesn't. The only way to increase peak power rpm is to rework the intake manifold/cam/heads.
Dave
05-21-2002, 08:48 PM
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Originally posted by Jeff92se
My modded ve pulls right into the rpm cutoff. I actually hit the rev limiter all the time because it doesn't feel like it's run out of breath. I raced a stock 5-sp VQ w/ 17" rims. He would get the jump but he would have to shift earlier than me.
My modded ve pulls right into the rpm cutoff. I actually hit the rev limiter all the time because it doesn't feel like it's run out of breath. I raced a stock 5-sp VQ w/ 17" rims. He would get the jump but he would have to shift earlier than me.
I'll drop it right here so that a worthless thread doesn't get started.
Dave
05-21-2002, 10:58 PM
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And to throw my 2 cents into the whole what engine is better argument I would say the VE sucks in stock form. It's fairly inefficient stock. However therefore it responds amazingly to mods that make it more efficient. An inefficient engine that makes 190 hp has some Bad A$$ potential
05-21-2002, 11:25 PM
#24
Bah.. my auto VG dyno'd 135 with intake and Y pipe.
Dave, I'll let you drive my VE next time I'm in KC. you'll see what we're talking about.
smooth, almost constant acceleration from about 2500rpm to redline.
Dave, I'll let you drive my VE next time I'm in KC. you'll see what we're talking about.
smooth, almost constant acceleration from about 2500rpm to redline.
05-23-2002, 12:44 PM
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dave, here is a scenerio for ya, since you were there when it happened
comming back from a car show in KS that i was at with ya when i had my max {where you beat me at}
on the freeway, we were even in second gear, hit third and i walked away, you had the same mods you do now, except you had the hks muffler then.
also on 95th street when i first met ya.
ahhhh the memories of the good ole days.
comming back from a car show in KS that i was at with ya when i had my max {where you beat me at}
on the freeway, we were even in second gear, hit third and i walked away, you had the same mods you do now, except you had the hks muffler then.
also on 95th street when i first met ya.
ahhhh the memories of the good ole days.
05-23-2002, 02:39 PM
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Originally posted by Bryan H
dave, here is a scenerio for ya, since you were there when it happened
comming back from a car show in KS that i was at with ya when i had my max {where you beat me at}
on the freeway, we were even in second gear, hit third and i walked away, you had the same mods you do now, except you had the hks muffler then.
also on 95th street when i first met ya.
ahhhh the memories of the good ole days.
dave, here is a scenerio for ya, since you were there when it happened
comming back from a car show in KS that i was at with ya when i had my max {where you beat me at}
on the freeway, we were even in second gear, hit third and i walked away, you had the same mods you do now, except you had the hks muffler then.
also on 95th street when i first met ya.
ahhhh the memories of the good ole days.
Nice try Fruitcake, but at the time (car show and when I met you) my only mods were the HKS intake and muffler and my heavy 17" Locos. Now I've got a Y-pipe, b-pipe, UDP, and a wheel tire combo that's 8lbs lighter. My 70mph+ acceleration is far better than it was back in 99 
Matt-
Next time I see you I'll let you drive my VQ. Of course it will have the VI by then and it will pull strongly to redline
Jeff's edit:::*bleep* *bleep* *bleep* *bleep* *bleepity bleep* heheDave
05-23-2002, 02:46 PM
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Originally posted by Jeff92se
. He would get the jump
. He would get the jump
chicks and car dummy's think your car is fast if it "pushes you back into the seat" off the line...with the VQ our little V6's give them that, AND the enthusiasts highway power.
05-23-2002, 02:49 PM
#29
No the beauty of my crap Nissan Key value clutch kit that was so weak, it wasn't even strong enough to hold my near stock VE power. WE actually went from stop but I couldn't push it. So he would pull away. But by the middle of 3rd I was back even and starting to pull. Then we had to shut down. I had the Y and intake I think. He was 100% stock but with some 17" Borbets.
Originally posted by Craig Mack
Ahh the beauty of torque Jeffrey.
chicks and car dummy's think your car is fast if it "pushes you back into the seat"...with the VQ our little V6's give them that, AND the enthusiasts highway power.
Ahh the beauty of torque Jeffrey.
chicks and car dummy's think your car is fast if it "pushes you back into the seat"...with the VQ our little V6's give them that, AND the enthusiasts highway power.
05-23-2002, 08:24 PM
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Originally posted by dmontzmax
Too bad the VI for the VQ will not perform as efficient as the stock VE's. I hear they are wired into a rpm switch?
Too bad the VI for the VQ will not perform as efficient as the stock VE's. I hear they are wired into a rpm switch?
I wish there were a few VEs in our Kansas City group. Unforunately the only guy we have is Matt93SE and he'll be turboed soon. Maybe BryanH will get another VE Seriously, I do have a lot of respect for the VE. It's a sweet motor in a very nice body. I just don't see how people swear this motor is such the topend performer when the dyno plots (not just this one) show the motor dying off after 5700-5800rpms. IMO, "pulling strongly" to the 6500rpm redline means the motor is continuing to make power to near redline, not 5700-5800rpms. Dave
05-23-2002, 09:16 PM
#34
Originally posted by BriGuyMax
why don't you guys take some VEs AND VQs, go ROMP on some camrys, and stop arguing about which MAXIMA is faster....it's not nice to pick on your own family
why don't you guys take some VEs AND VQs, go ROMP on some camrys, and stop arguing about which MAXIMA is faster....it's not nice to pick on your own family
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