4th Gen Turbo Kit for less than $3,000
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Originally posted by hacim105
Because Greddy is making a turbo for the 350Z which is the same engine as yours. And if I am not mistaken, from what I've heard, when they are done making the kit it is supposed to be able to fit on 2002+ maximas.
Because Greddy is making a turbo for the 350Z which is the same engine as yours. And if I am not mistaken, from what I've heard, when they are done making the kit it is supposed to be able to fit on 2002+ maximas.
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This is from Alpine Developements... not Greddy
3.5L (V6) Nissan `02-`03 Altima/Maxima/`03 350Z/Infiniti G35/I35 Aqua-cooled Supercharger Kit
"We plan to start development of the 3.5L Aqua-cooled supercharger on a 350Z (has the lowest hood clearance) sometime near the end of February now. This kit will probably be using the Eaton MP90 (new 5th gen.) roots type blower, with the self contained aqua-cooler system, with the heat exchanger built in to the intake plenum (like our 2.7L Hyundai application). Running about only 5-lbs/psi of boost, we should be able to produce close to 60-hp gain at the wheels, hopefully without any ECU management (but can if needed)! As with the above application, we will develop a stage one, and possible stage two "official" upgrades once the kit has been CARB certified as well. If all goes as planned on this application, look for it's availability around the tail end of June, or early July `03."
-Stephen Belanger
-Alipne Developments
"We plan to start development of the 3.5L Aqua-cooled supercharger on a 350Z (has the lowest hood clearance) sometime near the end of February now. This kit will probably be using the Eaton MP90 (new 5th gen.) roots type blower, with the self contained aqua-cooler system, with the heat exchanger built in to the intake plenum (like our 2.7L Hyundai application). Running about only 5-lbs/psi of boost, we should be able to produce close to 60-hp gain at the wheels, hopefully without any ECU management (but can if needed)! As with the above application, we will develop a stage one, and possible stage two "official" upgrades once the kit has been CARB certified as well. If all goes as planned on this application, look for it's availability around the tail end of June, or early July `03."
-Stephen Belanger
-Alipne Developments
At SEMA, I saw their twin turbo setup on the new 350Z. Don't know if that is what they will put in production or something more mild. But there is no way a kit for that car will fit the Maxima. Everything is so different mounting wise.
Originally posted by Dohcser
I believe that they may be making one for the 350Z, however I don't think it will be anywhere close to fit the 2k2, 2k3. As you know the 350Z is RWD which means the piping is totally different and also the flanges on the turbo will be different also.
I believe that they may be making one for the 350Z, however I don't think it will be anywhere close to fit the 2k2, 2k3. As you know the 350Z is RWD which means the piping is totally different and also the flanges on the turbo will be different also.
I know this has been said before but maybe it will sink in this time...
man, people why is it everytime someone says that they might start a project for the maxima that everyone gets in here and flames them, he is gauging interest and if all of you come in here and call him a lowlife he is not going to have any motivation to help you guys get a cheaper turbo kit. I say until you take your time and money and make something to contribute to the maxima comunity stop talking s**t about everything and putting everyone else down. if you notice he has said it is not going to be a rip-off and said they are going to start developing there own products so stop ASSuming things.
I for one am in support of this kit and any others out there, the more options the better off we are. And I think having some included options like pistons is a great idea. keep up the good work all you guys.
man, people why is it everytime someone says that they might start a project for the maxima that everyone gets in here and flames them, he is gauging interest and if all of you come in here and call him a lowlife he is not going to have any motivation to help you guys get a cheaper turbo kit. I say until you take your time and money and make something to contribute to the maxima comunity stop talking s**t about everything and putting everyone else down. if you notice he has said it is not going to be a rip-off and said they are going to start developing there own products so stop ASSuming things.
I for one am in support of this kit and any others out there, the more options the better off we are. And I think having some included options like pistons is a great idea. keep up the good work all you guys.
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Thats the way I feel, he is trying to help out the ORG here. If you want to spend the extra $$$ go ahead, but don't hate on him.
By the way when you start working on one for the 3.5 Max give me a call. Since I live in Norther NJ I will be down in Union to get one put on.
By the way when you start working on one for the 3.5 Max give me a call. Since I live in Norther NJ I will be down in Union to get one put on.
Re: This is from Alpine Developements... not Greddy
Originally posted by Maxima97GLE
3.5L (V6) Nissan `02-`03 Altima/Maxima/`03 350Z/Infiniti G35/I35 Aqua-cooled Supercharger Kit
"We plan to start development of the 3.5L Aqua-cooled supercharger on a 350Z (has the lowest hood clearance) sometime near the end of February now. This kit will probably be using the Eaton MP90 (new 5th gen.) roots type blower, with the self contained aqua-cooler system, with the heat exchanger built in to the intake plenum (like our 2.7L Hyundai application). Running about only 5-lbs/psi of boost, we should be able to produce close to 60-hp gain at the wheels, hopefully without any ECU management (but can if needed)! As with the above application, we will develop a stage one, and possible stage two "official" upgrades once the kit has been CARB certified as well. If all goes as planned on this application, look for it's availability around the tail end of June, or early July `03."
-Stephen Belanger
-Alipne Developments
3.5L (V6) Nissan `02-`03 Altima/Maxima/`03 350Z/Infiniti G35/I35 Aqua-cooled Supercharger Kit
"We plan to start development of the 3.5L Aqua-cooled supercharger on a 350Z (has the lowest hood clearance) sometime near the end of February now. This kit will probably be using the Eaton MP90 (new 5th gen.) roots type blower, with the self contained aqua-cooler system, with the heat exchanger built in to the intake plenum (like our 2.7L Hyundai application). Running about only 5-lbs/psi of boost, we should be able to produce close to 60-hp gain at the wheels, hopefully without any ECU management (but can if needed)! As with the above application, we will develop a stage one, and possible stage two "official" upgrades once the kit has been CARB certified as well. If all goes as planned on this application, look for it's availability around the tail end of June, or early July `03."
-Stephen Belanger
-Alipne Developments
You may not care, but copying a turbo kit that another shop spent the time/effort/money to design and build is shady. It's not illegal, but it's not good business ethics. For years, everybody wanted a turbo kit, and nobody made one. PFI finally made one with Nigel, and then all people could do was complain that it's too much money, blah blah. Then Harold made one too which is great. His is different, not a copy.
Both kits are about $4K intercooled.
Now if someone were to take either kit, and just copy the design of the piping, manifolds, and all that and produce a kit for cheaper, that's ethically debatable although it's a good business decision. They can obviously make it for cheaper because they're not paying for the original design time/prototype time. Plus it's bad for the aftermarket. If you're a business who innovated something for the Maxima aftermarket and then somebody just rips off your design and builds it for cheaper thereby costing you sales, are you likely to ever design something for the Maxima aftermarket again? Or if you're a business interested in designing something for the Maxima aftermarket, would you reconsider your decision after seeing people rip off a company like that? Probably not.
So next time you design something totally new for the Maxima and spend a ton of time and money, let me know so I can copy it and sell it for cheap. You know what? You'd be first in line to *****/moan/complain that somebody stole your design. But since this is another company, it makes it ok? You just want your turbo for under $3K right?
People do give a ****, you just don't happen to be one of them.
BTW, PJ I'm not saying/implying/suggesting that you're copying anyone's kit. Just answering his question hypothetically. And good luck producing this kit.
Both kits are about $4K intercooled.
Now if someone were to take either kit, and just copy the design of the piping, manifolds, and all that and produce a kit for cheaper, that's ethically debatable although it's a good business decision. They can obviously make it for cheaper because they're not paying for the original design time/prototype time. Plus it's bad for the aftermarket. If you're a business who innovated something for the Maxima aftermarket and then somebody just rips off your design and builds it for cheaper thereby costing you sales, are you likely to ever design something for the Maxima aftermarket again? Or if you're a business interested in designing something for the Maxima aftermarket, would you reconsider your decision after seeing people rip off a company like that? Probably not.
So next time you design something totally new for the Maxima and spend a ton of time and money, let me know so I can copy it and sell it for cheap. You know what? You'd be first in line to *****/moan/complain that somebody stole your design. But since this is another company, it makes it ok? You just want your turbo for under $3K right?
People do give a ****, you just don't happen to be one of them.
BTW, PJ I'm not saying/implying/suggesting that you're copying anyone's kit. Just answering his question hypothetically. And good luck producing this kit.
Originally posted by Freedog
This has got to be one of the dumber debates I've seen on the Org. If you build it (for less than 3K), they will come. Who gives a sh*t if it's a copy as long as the quality is there.
This has got to be one of the dumber debates I've seen on the Org. If you build it (for less than 3K), they will come. Who gives a sh*t if it's a copy as long as the quality is there.
Originally posted by Shadow
You may not care, but copying a turbo kit that another shop spent the time/effort/money to design and build is shady. It's not illegal, but it's not good business ethics. For years, everybody wanted a turbo kit, and nobody made one. PFI finally made one with Nigel, and then all people could do was complain that it's too much money, blah blah. Then Harold made one too which is great. His is different, not a copy.
Both kits are about $4K intercooled.
Now if someone were to take either kit, and just copy the design of the piping, manifolds, and all that and produce a kit for cheaper, that's ethically debatable although it's a good business decision. They can obviously make it for cheaper because they're not paying for the original design time/prototype time. Plus it's bad for the aftermarket. If you're a business who innovated something for the Maxima aftermarket and then somebody just rips off your design and builds it for cheaper thereby costing you sales, are you likely to ever design something for the Maxima aftermarket again? Or if you're a business interested in designing something for the Maxima aftermarket, would you reconsider your decision after seeing people rip off a company like that? Probably not.
So next time you design something totally new for the Maxima and spend a ton of time and money, let me know so I can copy it and sell it for cheap. You know what? You'd be first in line to *****/moan/complain that somebody stole your design. But since this is another company, it makes it ok? You just want your turbo for under $3K right?
People do give a ****, you just don't happen to be one of them.
BTW, PJ I'm not saying/implying/suggesting that you're copying anyone's kit. Just answering his question hypothetically. And good luck producing this kit.
You may not care, but copying a turbo kit that another shop spent the time/effort/money to design and build is shady. It's not illegal, but it's not good business ethics. For years, everybody wanted a turbo kit, and nobody made one. PFI finally made one with Nigel, and then all people could do was complain that it's too much money, blah blah. Then Harold made one too which is great. His is different, not a copy.
Both kits are about $4K intercooled.
Now if someone were to take either kit, and just copy the design of the piping, manifolds, and all that and produce a kit for cheaper, that's ethically debatable although it's a good business decision. They can obviously make it for cheaper because they're not paying for the original design time/prototype time. Plus it's bad for the aftermarket. If you're a business who innovated something for the Maxima aftermarket and then somebody just rips off your design and builds it for cheaper thereby costing you sales, are you likely to ever design something for the Maxima aftermarket again? Or if you're a business interested in designing something for the Maxima aftermarket, would you reconsider your decision after seeing people rip off a company like that? Probably not.
So next time you design something totally new for the Maxima and spend a ton of time and money, let me know so I can copy it and sell it for cheap. You know what? You'd be first in line to *****/moan/complain that somebody stole your design. But since this is another company, it makes it ok? You just want your turbo for under $3K right?
People do give a ****, you just don't happen to be one of them.
BTW, PJ I'm not saying/implying/suggesting that you're copying anyone's kit. Just answering his question hypothetically. And good luck producing this kit.
That's a good point if that were the case, but its not...there making there own kit, ask the guy. And yea i can see how your saying that if its only 3k poeople wont give a ****...but people that have the only product on the market can charge outrageous price's....the more selection we have more options ... you really think still body kit were really worth 1500....well 2 years ago that's what they sold for....now with all the selection, and our cars are older....why would they be selling them for 6900?
I know Max Tuning's kit is not a copy. I clearly said that.
I was simply trying to make a point to Freedog that some people care whether it is a copy or not.
I was simply trying to make a point to Freedog that some people care whether it is a copy or not.
Originally posted by MaxSpeedSE
That's a good point if that were the case, but its not...there making there own kit, ask the guy...and yea if its only 3k i do give a ****...people that have the only product on the market can charge outrageous price....the more selection we have more options ... you really think still body kit were really worth 1500....well 2 years ago that's what they sold for....now with all the selection, and out cars are older....why would they be selling them for 6900?
That's a good point if that were the case, but its not...there making there own kit, ask the guy...and yea if its only 3k i do give a ****...people that have the only product on the market can charge outrageous price....the more selection we have more options ... you really think still body kit were really worth 1500....well 2 years ago that's what they sold for....now with all the selection, and out cars are older....why would they be selling them for 6900?
Originally posted by Shadow
I know Max Tuning's kit is not a copy. I clearly said that.
I was simply trying to make a point to Freedog that some people care whether it is a copy or not.
I know Max Tuning's kit is not a copy. I clearly said that.
I was simply trying to make a point to Freedog that some people care whether it is a copy or not.
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Hey guys. Just to make everything cleared out. We're not copying anyone's design. We're starting from scratch. I know what its like to be copied. For instance... take the Maxima Skyline Kit. In case you remember... it was also called the Maxx Tuning Type-S Maxima Kit. Now I read on other threads that others want to produce a similar kit but cheaper than our price of $900.00. Next to Shadow... I was next in producing a new style bodykit for the maxima. Others in the past just talked about it and did nothing... while I left my car in NY for 3 weeks (had to drive a POS Civic in the meantime also) while the kit was being prototyped. I like being original. The Alpine Development SC kits for the 2K2 max... would anyone knew they were coming out... and knew they were coming out with a 3 year powertrain warranty?Everyday I'm here I'm always looking for stuff for the maxima because I remember when I had one and I couldn't find s**t for it at the local speed shop. I came across this company by accident looking for a bolt on turbo kit for my friend 300zx NA and this guy gave me a low price... I asked him how hard it would take to prototype and manufacture a turbo kit for the max... he said it wouldn't be that much and it would take close to 2 months to have everything worked out. So that's why I posted this up.
Originally posted by Maxima97GLE
Hey guys. Just to make everything cleared out. We're not copying anyone's design. We're starting from scratch. I know what its like to be copied. For instance... take the Maxima Skyline Kit. In case you remember... it was also called the Maxx Tuning Type-S Maxima Kit. Now I read on other threads that others want to produce a similar kit but cheaper than our price of $900.00. Next to Shadow... I was next in producing a new style bodykit for the maxima. Others in the past just talked about it and did nothing... while I left my car in NY for 3 weeks (had to drive a POS Civic in the meantime also) while the kit was being prototyped. I like being original. The Alpine Development SC kits for the 2K2 max... would anyone knew they were coming out... and knew they were coming out with a 3 year powertrain warranty?Everyday I'm here I'm always looking for stuff for the maxima because I remember when I had one and I couldn't find s**t for it at the local speed shop. I came across this company by accident looking for a bolt on turbo kit for my friend 300zx NA and this guy gave me a low price... I asked him how hard it would take to prototype and manufacture a turbo kit for the max... he said it wouldn't be that much and it would take close to 2 months to have everything worked out. So that's why I posted this up.
Hey guys. Just to make everything cleared out. We're not copying anyone's design. We're starting from scratch. I know what its like to be copied. For instance... take the Maxima Skyline Kit. In case you remember... it was also called the Maxx Tuning Type-S Maxima Kit. Now I read on other threads that others want to produce a similar kit but cheaper than our price of $900.00. Next to Shadow... I was next in producing a new style bodykit for the maxima. Others in the past just talked about it and did nothing... while I left my car in NY for 3 weeks (had to drive a POS Civic in the meantime also) while the kit was being prototyped. I like being original. The Alpine Development SC kits for the 2K2 max... would anyone knew they were coming out... and knew they were coming out with a 3 year powertrain warranty?Everyday I'm here I'm always looking for stuff for the maxima because I remember when I had one and I couldn't find s**t for it at the local speed shop. I came across this company by accident looking for a bolt on turbo kit for my friend 300zx NA and this guy gave me a low price... I asked him how hard it would take to prototype and manufacture a turbo kit for the max... he said it wouldn't be that much and it would take close to 2 months to have everything worked out. So that's why I posted this up.
You were the first other than Sarona. My kit never made it out of the prototype phase due to a shady manufacturer I was working with. The Z3 fenders I was working on never materialized either, also due to a shady manufacturer. And the Type II was delayed for a year because of you guessed it, a shady manufacturer (that issue has been resolved though and we're just building inventory right now). It's gotten to the point where I'm doing a lot of this stuff in house now just to try and bypass these crooked shops. It may take longer and cost more to do, but at least I'd know when/if it's feasible and will be done instead of paying a large deposit to certain unnamed shops and waiting months for no product. So I feel your pain about innovating.
And I too know what it's like to be copied, that's why I'm so against it. Can't have anything original in this business anymore without every other idiot and his brother trying to bypass the design phase and just copy your product.
And I too know what it's like to be copied, that's why I'm so against it. Can't have anything original in this business anymore without every other idiot and his brother trying to bypass the design phase and just copy your product.
Originally posted by Maxima97GLE
I know what its like to be copied. For instance... take the Maxima Skyline Kit. In case you remember... it was also called the Maxx Tuning Type-S Maxima Kit. Now I read on other threads that others want to produce a similar kit but cheaper than our price of $900.00. Next to Shadow... I was next in producing a new style bodykit for the maxima. Others in the past just talked about it and did nothing... while I left my car in NY for 3 weeks (had to drive a POS Civic in the meantime also) while the kit was being prototyped. I like being original.
I know what its like to be copied. For instance... take the Maxima Skyline Kit. In case you remember... it was also called the Maxx Tuning Type-S Maxima Kit. Now I read on other threads that others want to produce a similar kit but cheaper than our price of $900.00. Next to Shadow... I was next in producing a new style bodykit for the maxima. Others in the past just talked about it and did nothing... while I left my car in NY for 3 weeks (had to drive a POS Civic in the meantime also) while the kit was being prototyped. I like being original.
I'd be interested... Hey, what's wrong with some healthy competition? If nobody copied Stillen's y-pipe would you guys be satisfied paying $300USD for their product? It encourages prices to drop for who? Oh wait, it makes them drop for us, the CONSUMERS... I'd definately pay $3k over $4k for the same product...
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To those defending Nigels kit: Do you think it could be made to work with an automatic, if custom tubing is added?
New Kit: Could this possibly be made to work with a an automatic with custom tubing?
I am seriously thinking about going either turo/supercharger and STILL confused, I would like a turbo, but everyone says it kills an auto. I currently have the VB mod, so it makes it a little stronger.
Thanks,
Dan
New Kit: Could this possibly be made to work with a an automatic with custom tubing?
I am seriously thinking about going either turo/supercharger and STILL confused, I would like a turbo, but everyone says it kills an auto. I currently have the VB mod, so it makes it a little stronger.
Thanks,
Dan
id be interested in a turbo kit for the 5th gen (2000)auto..and im sure alotta other 5th gen maxima owners would be interested too 
can u setup a deal with jeff (maximum tuning) in glen cove? on like installs or like buying ur kit and install combo??
can u setup a deal with jeff (maximum tuning) in glen cove? on like installs or like buying ur kit and install combo??
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Originally posted by Shadow
You may not care, but copying a turbo kit that another shop spent the time/effort/money to design and build is shady. It's not illegal, but it's not good business ethics. For years, everybody wanted a turbo kit, and nobody made one. PFI finally made one with Nigel, and then all people could do was complain that it's too much money, blah blah. Then Harold made one too which is great. His is different, not a copy.
Both kits are about $4K intercooled.
Now if someone were to take either kit, and just copy the design of the piping, manifolds, and all that and produce a kit for cheaper, that's ethically debatable although it's a good business decision. They can obviously make it for cheaper because they're not paying for the original design time/prototype time. Plus it's bad for the aftermarket. If you're a business who innovated something for the Maxima aftermarket and then somebody just rips off your design and builds it for cheaper thereby costing you sales, are you likely to ever design something for the Maxima aftermarket again? Or if you're a business interested in designing something for the Maxima aftermarket, would you reconsider your decision after seeing people rip off a company like that? Probably not.
So next time you design something totally new for the Maxima and spend a ton of time and money, let me know so I can copy it and sell it for cheap. You know what? You'd be first in line to *****/moan/complain that somebody stole your design. But since this is another company, it makes it ok? You just want your turbo for under $3K right?
People do give a ****, you just don't happen to be one of them.
BTW, PJ I'm not saying/implying/suggesting that you're copying anyone's kit. Just answering his question hypothetically. And good luck producing this kit.
You may not care, but copying a turbo kit that another shop spent the time/effort/money to design and build is shady. It's not illegal, but it's not good business ethics. For years, everybody wanted a turbo kit, and nobody made one. PFI finally made one with Nigel, and then all people could do was complain that it's too much money, blah blah. Then Harold made one too which is great. His is different, not a copy.
Both kits are about $4K intercooled.
Now if someone were to take either kit, and just copy the design of the piping, manifolds, and all that and produce a kit for cheaper, that's ethically debatable although it's a good business decision. They can obviously make it for cheaper because they're not paying for the original design time/prototype time. Plus it's bad for the aftermarket. If you're a business who innovated something for the Maxima aftermarket and then somebody just rips off your design and builds it for cheaper thereby costing you sales, are you likely to ever design something for the Maxima aftermarket again? Or if you're a business interested in designing something for the Maxima aftermarket, would you reconsider your decision after seeing people rip off a company like that? Probably not.
So next time you design something totally new for the Maxima and spend a ton of time and money, let me know so I can copy it and sell it for cheap. You know what? You'd be first in line to *****/moan/complain that somebody stole your design. But since this is another company, it makes it ok? You just want your turbo for under $3K right?
People do give a ****, you just don't happen to be one of them.
BTW, PJ I'm not saying/implying/suggesting that you're copying anyone's kit. Just answering his question hypothetically. And good luck producing this kit.
Kind of off topic.
But I have downloaded music from Napster and Morpheus. Usually to check out a new song I heard about. If I liked it, I did/do usually get the CD.
Not quite the same thing as copying somebody's product. More along the lines of borrowing it, trying it out and then going out and buying it if I liked it.
Seriously though, for those of you who think it's ok to rip off somebody else's product, don't complain if nothing new gets developed for our cars. And if you worked in the industry, you may have a different perspective than you do now.
But I have downloaded music from Napster and Morpheus. Usually to check out a new song I heard about. If I liked it, I did/do usually get the CD.
Not quite the same thing as copying somebody's product. More along the lines of borrowing it, trying it out and then going out and buying it if I liked it.
Seriously though, for those of you who think it's ok to rip off somebody else's product, don't complain if nothing new gets developed for our cars. And if you worked in the industry, you may have a different perspective than you do now.
Originally posted by joaquink
So it's safe to say that you never have and never will DL music, video, or software files from P2P services such as Napster, Kazaa, et al.?
So it's safe to say that you never have and never will DL music, video, or software files from P2P services such as Napster, Kazaa, et al.?
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4th Gen Turbo Kit
For a professional & upgradable setup, may I suggest you offer the following options for additional boost:
1) Lower compression pistons & stronger valve springs.
2) Headgasket spacer to "cheaply" reduce compression ratio.
3) Larger fuel injectors. Atleast 370cc or more.
4) Complete ECU management.
5) Two or more turbo options. One for fast spool-up but low max boost and one for longer spool-up but higher boost levels.
6) Intercooler (I think you already have this included).
If you can provide these upgrades, myself and others who desire SERIOUS power with added margins of safety and reliability will be standing in line with their checkbooks.
Thanks.
1) Lower compression pistons & stronger valve springs.
2) Headgasket spacer to "cheaply" reduce compression ratio.
3) Larger fuel injectors. Atleast 370cc or more.
4) Complete ECU management.
5) Two or more turbo options. One for fast spool-up but low max boost and one for longer spool-up but higher boost levels.
6) Intercooler (I think you already have this included).
If you can provide these upgrades, myself and others who desire SERIOUS power with added margins of safety and reliability will be standing in line with their checkbooks.
Thanks.
Originally posted by MaximusMorpheus
Can't wait for the 5th gen Turbo kit....
Can't wait for the 5th gen Turbo kit....
i'd just like to pipe in and say that just because someone else has already went through the long process of having the original turbo kit doesn't make it illegal or wrong for others to do the same. even if these kits are coming up after nigel's turbo and harold starting selling his turbo kit, doesn't make them a copy. they get credit for having the marbles to go through the r&d, but it also paved the way for others who were tormented by the wrath of the org. i'm not surprised several kits are available now. they woulda been sooner if the other kits would have. with all the hating about how a turbo would cost several thousands and how it was almost impossible (blah, blah) i wouldn't have wanted to make a turbo for the max either until someone else did. anyways, all respect for the entrapenuers *spelling?* who went the first extra mile to give us one with nothing to go by. but in all fairness, just because someone is making one because they've seen it done before and wanna do it themselves doesn't make them copying. i'm grateful for any product for the max. have you taken a look back at us as a group? if i were any normal shop, i'd go running away screaming. we're very picky and have haters on almost every mod that's been developed for our car. anyways, i guess everyone is entitled to their own opinion... so, speak your own opinion away, just like i did mine
after all that rambling, i'd definitely like to say i'm as interested in this kit as i am the others. just depends on how soon i get a pd job as to when i buy one. good luck making the kit!
after all that rambling, i'd definitely like to say i'm as interested in this kit as i am the others. just depends on how soon i get a pd job as to when i buy one. good luck making the kit!
