25 person GD on KAAZ LSD 4th&5th Gen
07-06-2004, 07:52 PM
#1
25 person GD on KAAZ LSD 4th&5th Gen
Hey, this is the updated thread for the GD involving KAAZ LSD's for the Manual Maximas from years 1995-2001. This includes ALL the 4th Gen manual transmission Maximas, as well as years 2000,2001 of the 5th Gen manual transmission Max's.
I have spoke with Brian C. at Cattman, and he told me the above information on what cars these diffs fit on.
I need 25 people to go in with me, and i already have a few guys interested.
These diffs will run around $1150-1250, due to this being a small run (batch).
I need 25 responsible people to put down 50% non-refundable non-credt card deposits, about 3 months in advance. (these were his terms)
The reason this is a KAAZ GD and not QUAIFE, is because the QUAIFE's will now run around $1600, a 40% increase in price, due to the US currency being so soft against the Brittish pound. (This is also what he told me.)
For info on the LSD, go to :
www.kaazusa.com
I hear these are really good quality, unlike the Phantom.
Thanks for reading, and let's try our best.
I have spoke with Brian C. at Cattman, and he told me the above information on what cars these diffs fit on.
I need 25 people to go in with me, and i already have a few guys interested.
These diffs will run around $1150-1250, due to this being a small run (batch).
I need 25 responsible people to put down 50% non-refundable non-credt card deposits, about 3 months in advance. (these were his terms)
The reason this is a KAAZ GD and not QUAIFE, is because the QUAIFE's will now run around $1600, a 40% increase in price, due to the US currency being so soft against the Brittish pound. (This is also what he told me.)
For info on the LSD, go to :
www.kaazusa.com
I hear these are really good quality, unlike the Phantom.
Thanks for reading, and let's try our best.
07-08-2004, 02:29 PM
#4
Well, looks like there is no warranty offered:
Hi Matt,
Since lsd is a racing parts, we do not offer any warranty.
If there is any manufacturing defect, then we will take care
of the problem.
Best Regards,
Ray / Kaaz USA
So, take this into consideration. At least Quaife had a lifetime with racing warranty!!
Hi Matt,
Since lsd is a racing parts, we do not offer any warranty.
If there is any manufacturing defect, then we will take care
of the problem.
Best Regards,
Ray / Kaaz USA
So, take this into consideration. At least Quaife had a lifetime with racing warranty!!
07-08-2004, 07:21 PM
#6
Originally Posted by ProjectNeptune
well what does Brian say about this, and is it any different from Quaife's policy?
How does one prove a "manufacturing defect" in a differntial when your transmission is in pieces?
How does one prove a "manufacturing defect" in a differntial when your transmission is in pieces?
I contacted Brian, we'll see what he says.
07-08-2004, 09:34 PM
#7
Originally Posted by ProjectNeptune
well what does Brian say about this, and is it any different from Quaife's policy?
How does one prove a "manufacturing defect" in a differntial when your transmission is in pieces?
How does one prove a "manufacturing defect" in a differntial when your transmission is in pieces?
The Quaifes are all-gear, there are no slip faces to wear out - its unique in that way and their warranty is unique too.
I've never heard of a limited slip differential with a warranty that covers anything more than workmanship. It would probably last most drivers forever, but the operating principle is similar to a clutch - there are wearable parts and its possible to wear them out more quickly under extreme conditions.
That said, I don't see the connection with the transmission being in pieces - how could a differential cause that? They're entirely separate assemblies. When a limited slip differential wears out, the limited slip aspect stops working (like in the Nissan LSDs after 50-7k miles), it doesn't break the tranny.
Check out the KAAZ website if you haven't looked already, they explain at some length about how their clutches work and what they've done with the design to make them as strong and durable as they are. They've got a great reputation in Japan and they're $400 less than the Quaifes.
Anyway, I'll remind that none of this becomes real unless we can sign up at least 20 orders with 50% deposits.
Brian C Catts
Cattman Performance
07-08-2004, 10:55 PM
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Hi Brian,
Not to be the party pooper here... but the likelihood of getting 20+ org members to commit to this group deal is pretty slim... especially with the terms of $500 down and the 3 months wait time...
As you know, org'ers are notoriously *gasp* dare I say, Cheap?
I have a feeling that the only way this is going to happen, is if a Maxima parts specialist *cough* cattman *cough* who has the funds, is able to fund (hah.. i made a funny) the R&D, then sell the units.... Like you did with the quaifes.
I remember talking to you at the MCC meet in Cali about being able to get a Quaife from you, but you said you had just sold the last one...
Judging from the interest in this thread, and the other Quaife thread, maybe it's profitable for a Maxima *cough* cattman *cough* parts specialist to pursue this...
Another possibility I'm thinking about, is if the above mentioned Maxima Parts specialist, agreed to cover the difference between whatever org'ers are willing to commit money and the final cost needed.
The reason for this? Because I know that I would be more willing to commit to a group deal if I knew for CERTAIN that the group deal would happen.
This would bring benefits, I think, to both the commited org members, but also to this sponsoring company.
The Org members would get the guarantee that the product would be developed and also hopefully, be getting a lower overall cost than someone just buying it off the shelf if it was already developed.
The company would get the benefit of sharing the development cost with these org members. This would result in a lower initial investment, as well as a fewer number of units sitting on the shelves that would need to be sold to recoup costs. The company would also now have the benefit of having the market cornered on a (now) existing product. Since the intial costs of development are no longer needed, these units could be purchased at a lower, wholesale, cost resulting in a higher profit margin. Add to all of this, the goodwill that this support will gain the company - proving that this company isn't just in it for a quick buck, but is in it to also support the Maxima community, as well as making a buck (I think Cattman Performance has already proved this, but for the company willing to sponsor this development, the benefits are definitely there).
I would like to be able to say that I'd be one of the commited org members, but I don't think this is for the 2002 Maxima, which I now own, right? If this LSD would also work on the 2002, then I'm definitly in...
Here's how I imagine the deal would work, assuming $1000 investment, per unit with a 20 unit minimum.
Current deal - 20 commited org members, committing a total of $10,000.
Envisioned deal - 10 commited org members (hopefully) commiting a total of $5,000 and this sponsoring company covering the remaining $5,000. The commited org member's ending cost would be $1000. The company could sell the 10 units, that they've commited funds to, for more than the $1000 intial development costs resulting in a profit - albeit, in the long run once all the units have sold.
These are just the thoughts that have been rolling around in my head, the last few days, while I should have been at work, working and not browsing the org (and keeping an eye on this thread...
)
Not to be the party pooper here... but the likelihood of getting 20+ org members to commit to this group deal is pretty slim... especially with the terms of $500 down and the 3 months wait time...
As you know, org'ers are notoriously *gasp* dare I say, Cheap?
I have a feeling that the only way this is going to happen, is if a Maxima parts specialist *cough* cattman *cough* who has the funds, is able to fund (hah.. i made a funny) the R&D, then sell the units.... Like you did with the quaifes.
I remember talking to you at the MCC meet in Cali about being able to get a Quaife from you, but you said you had just sold the last one...
Judging from the interest in this thread, and the other Quaife thread, maybe it's profitable for a Maxima *cough* cattman *cough* parts specialist to pursue this...
Another possibility I'm thinking about, is if the above mentioned Maxima Parts specialist, agreed to cover the difference between whatever org'ers are willing to commit money and the final cost needed.
The reason for this? Because I know that I would be more willing to commit to a group deal if I knew for CERTAIN that the group deal would happen.
This would bring benefits, I think, to both the commited org members, but also to this sponsoring company.
The Org members would get the guarantee that the product would be developed and also hopefully, be getting a lower overall cost than someone just buying it off the shelf if it was already developed.
The company would get the benefit of sharing the development cost with these org members. This would result in a lower initial investment, as well as a fewer number of units sitting on the shelves that would need to be sold to recoup costs. The company would also now have the benefit of having the market cornered on a (now) existing product. Since the intial costs of development are no longer needed, these units could be purchased at a lower, wholesale, cost resulting in a higher profit margin. Add to all of this, the goodwill that this support will gain the company - proving that this company isn't just in it for a quick buck, but is in it to also support the Maxima community, as well as making a buck (I think Cattman Performance has already proved this, but for the company willing to sponsor this development, the benefits are definitely there).
I would like to be able to say that I'd be one of the commited org members, but I don't think this is for the 2002 Maxima, which I now own, right? If this LSD would also work on the 2002, then I'm definitly in...
Here's how I imagine the deal would work, assuming $1000 investment, per unit with a 20 unit minimum.
Current deal - 20 commited org members, committing a total of $10,000.
Envisioned deal - 10 commited org members (hopefully) commiting a total of $5,000 and this sponsoring company covering the remaining $5,000. The commited org member's ending cost would be $1000. The company could sell the 10 units, that they've commited funds to, for more than the $1000 intial development costs resulting in a profit - albeit, in the long run once all the units have sold.
These are just the thoughts that have been rolling around in my head, the last few days, while I should have been at work, working and not browsing the org (and keeping an eye on this thread...
)
07-09-2004, 10:05 AM
#9
Originally Posted by HNDA ETR
Hi Brian,
Not to be the party pooper here... but the likelihood of getting 20+ org members to commit to this group deal is pretty slim... especially with the terms of $500 down and the 3 months wait time...
As you know, org'ers are notoriously *gasp* dare I say, Cheap?
I have a feeling that the only way this is going to happen, is if a Maxima parts specialist *cough* cattman *cough* who has the funds, is able to fund (hah.. i made a funny) the R&D, then sell the units.... Like you did with the quaifes.
I remember talking to you at the MCC meet in Cali about being able to get a Quaife from you, but you said you had just sold the last one...
Judging from the interest in this thread, and the other Quaife thread, maybe it's profitable for a Maxima *cough* cattman *cough* parts specialist to pursue this...
Another possibility I'm thinking about, is if the above mentioned Maxima Parts specialist, agreed to cover the difference between whatever org'ers are willing to commit money and the final cost needed.
The reason for this? Because I know that I would be more willing to commit to a group deal if I knew for CERTAIN that the group deal would happen.
This would bring benefits, I think, to both the commited org members, but also to this sponsoring company.
The Org members would get the guarantee that the product would be developed and also hopefully, be getting a lower overall cost than someone just buying it off the shelf if it was already developed.
The company would get the benefit of sharing the development cost with these org members. This would result in a lower initial investment, as well as a fewer number of units sitting on the shelves that would need to be sold to recoup costs. The company would also now have the benefit of having the market cornered on a (now) existing product. Since the intial costs of development are no longer needed, these units could be purchased at a lower, wholesale, cost resulting in a higher profit margin. Add to all of this, the goodwill that this support will gain the company - proving that this company isn't just in it for a quick buck, but is in it to also support the Maxima community, as well as making a buck (I think Cattman Performance has already proved this, but for the company willing to sponsor this development, the benefits are definitely there).
I would like to be able to say that I'd be one of the commited org members, but I don't think this is for the 2002 Maxima, which I now own, right? If this LSD would also work on the 2002, then I'm definitly in...
Here's how I imagine the deal would work, assuming $1000 investment, per unit with a 20 unit minimum.
Current deal - 20 commited org members, committing a total of $10,000.
Envisioned deal - 10 commited org members (hopefully) commiting a total of $5,000 and this sponsoring company covering the remaining $5,000. The commited org member's ending cost would be $1000. The company could sell the 10 units, that they've commited funds to, for more than the $1000 intial development costs resulting in a profit - albeit, in the long run once all the units have sold.
These are just the thoughts that have been rolling around in my head, the last few days, while I should have been at work, working and not browsing the org (and keeping an eye on this thread... )
Not to be the party pooper here... but the likelihood of getting 20+ org members to commit to this group deal is pretty slim... especially with the terms of $500 down and the 3 months wait time...
As you know, org'ers are notoriously *gasp* dare I say, Cheap?
I have a feeling that the only way this is going to happen, is if a Maxima parts specialist *cough* cattman *cough* who has the funds, is able to fund (hah.. i made a funny) the R&D, then sell the units.... Like you did with the quaifes.
I remember talking to you at the MCC meet in Cali about being able to get a Quaife from you, but you said you had just sold the last one...
Judging from the interest in this thread, and the other Quaife thread, maybe it's profitable for a Maxima *cough* cattman *cough* parts specialist to pursue this...
Another possibility I'm thinking about, is if the above mentioned Maxima Parts specialist, agreed to cover the difference between whatever org'ers are willing to commit money and the final cost needed.
The reason for this? Because I know that I would be more willing to commit to a group deal if I knew for CERTAIN that the group deal would happen.
This would bring benefits, I think, to both the commited org members, but also to this sponsoring company.
The Org members would get the guarantee that the product would be developed and also hopefully, be getting a lower overall cost than someone just buying it off the shelf if it was already developed.
The company would get the benefit of sharing the development cost with these org members. This would result in a lower initial investment, as well as a fewer number of units sitting on the shelves that would need to be sold to recoup costs. The company would also now have the benefit of having the market cornered on a (now) existing product. Since the intial costs of development are no longer needed, these units could be purchased at a lower, wholesale, cost resulting in a higher profit margin. Add to all of this, the goodwill that this support will gain the company - proving that this company isn't just in it for a quick buck, but is in it to also support the Maxima community, as well as making a buck (I think Cattman Performance has already proved this, but for the company willing to sponsor this development, the benefits are definitely there).
I would like to be able to say that I'd be one of the commited org members, but I don't think this is for the 2002 Maxima, which I now own, right? If this LSD would also work on the 2002, then I'm definitly in...
Here's how I imagine the deal would work, assuming $1000 investment, per unit with a 20 unit minimum.
Current deal - 20 commited org members, committing a total of $10,000.
Envisioned deal - 10 commited org members (hopefully) commiting a total of $5,000 and this sponsoring company covering the remaining $5,000. The commited org member's ending cost would be $1000. The company could sell the 10 units, that they've commited funds to, for more than the $1000 intial development costs resulting in a profit - albeit, in the long run once all the units have sold.
These are just the thoughts that have been rolling around in my head, the last few days, while I should have been at work, working and not browsing the org (and keeping an eye on this thread...
)Gee, I thought I was the only one who posted messages this long...
First, I didn't want to rain on the parade of the guy who started this thread, but you're absolutely right - I know the market and its almost impossible to imagine 20 people lining up to commit $600 down for a part that doesn't exist yet. I explained this and he wanted to float it anyway, so I basically patted him on the back and said "good luck, but I can't be optimistic about the outcome." It may not be possible to do the project as a result - that's too bad, because it would be a great part - but its the way things work out sometimes.
The reason I proposed doing it this way is a direct result of the Quaife experience. Fabulous part, everyone who has one loves it, but at around $1200 they flew off the shelf like boat anchors and by the time I'd sold them all (over 2 years!) it was a money-losing project. I like to think that I'm at least intelligent enough to learn from lessons like that.
The KAAZ diff would be exactly the same deal, and I will not sink many thousands of dollars into slow-moving inventory like that again. The only way I'd organize the deal was to pre-sell the majority of the run.
You're suggesting doing the project with 10 commitments at a price that wouldn't justify the risk (I wouldn't make a dime at $1000), but that means I have to buy and inventory the other 15-20 units, and that's exactly what I'm trying to avoid - I'm not going to sink $15,000+ into this inventory after the Quaife experience.
Call up the other Maxima specialists and see how much interest there is - if you can find someone to take this on, 1) they're welcome to it, and 2) I'll fall over in a dead faint - they just do not inventory these kind of expensive parts, they wait for me to do it and then buy them from us one at a time for drop shipping.
If I could find other companies to share the KAAZ manufacturing run, we could pull it off, but I've learned the hard way that doesn't usually work out. One of my distributors committed to buying 10 Cattman headers - at a great discount I might add - and I ordered 10 extras. When the time came to pay up last week, they couldn't come up with the $ so now I have to do a header group deal to sell off what they didn't buy ($695 each, I'll be posting that today).
Sorry I can't be more encouraging, but I've laid out the reasons why not, and I hope you can understand.
BTW, the stock differentials are different between the 5-speed, 6-speed, and automatic trannies - which means the aftermarket ones are too, and this makes it even less feasible.
Brian C Catts
Cattman Performance
07-09-2004, 10:13 AM
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Hi Brian!
Yeah, I totally understand where you're coming from and I figured that it wasn't really going to be feasible...
But hey, had to put it out there...
Yeah, I totally understand where you're coming from and I figured that it wasn't really going to be feasible...
But hey, had to put it out there...
Originally Posted by Cattman
Gee, I thought I was the only one who posted messages this long...
First, I didn't want to rain on the parade of the guy who started this thread, but you're absolutely right - I know the market and its almost impossible to imagine 20 people lining up to commit $600 down for a part that doesn't exist yet. I explained this and he wanted to float it anyway, so I basically patted him on the back and said "good luck, but I can't be optimistic about the outcome." It may not be possible to do the project as a result - that's too bad, because it would be a great part - but its the way things work out sometimes.
The reason I proposed doing it this way is a direct result of the Quaife experience. Fabulous part, everyone who has one loves it, but at around $1200 they flew off the shelf like boat anchors and by the time I'd sold them all (over 2 years!) it was a money-losing project. I like to think that I'm at least intelligent enough to learn from lessons like that.
The KAAZ diff would be exactly the same deal, and I will not sink many thousands of dollars into slow-moving inventory like that again. The only way I'd organize the deal was to pre-sell the majority of the run.
You're suggesting doing the project with 10 commitments at a price that wouldn't justify the risk (I wouldn't make a dime at $1000), but that means I have to buy and inventory the other 15-20 units, and that's exactly what I'm trying to avoid - I'm not going to sink $15,000+ into this inventory after the Quaife experience.
Call up the other Maxima specialists and see how much interest there is - if you can find someone to take this on, 1) they're welcome to it, and 2) I'll fall over in a dead faint - they just do not inventory these kind of expensive parts, they wait for me to do it and then buy them from us one at a time for drop shipping.
If I could find other companies to share the KAAZ manufacturing run, we could pull it off, but I've learned the hard way that doesn't usually work out. One of my distributors committed to buying 10 Cattman headers - at a great discount I might add - and I ordered 10 extras. When the time came to pay up last week, they couldn't come up with the $ so now I have to do a header group deal to sell off what they didn't buy ($695 each, I'll be posting that today).
Sorry I can't be more encouraging, but I've laid out the reasons why not, and I hope you can understand.
BTW, the stock differentials are different between the 5-speed, 6-speed, and automatic trannies - which means the aftermarket ones are too, and this makes it even less feasible.
Brian C Catts
Cattman Performance
First, I didn't want to rain on the parade of the guy who started this thread, but you're absolutely right - I know the market and its almost impossible to imagine 20 people lining up to commit $600 down for a part that doesn't exist yet. I explained this and he wanted to float it anyway, so I basically patted him on the back and said "good luck, but I can't be optimistic about the outcome." It may not be possible to do the project as a result - that's too bad, because it would be a great part - but its the way things work out sometimes.
The reason I proposed doing it this way is a direct result of the Quaife experience. Fabulous part, everyone who has one loves it, but at around $1200 they flew off the shelf like boat anchors and by the time I'd sold them all (over 2 years!) it was a money-losing project. I like to think that I'm at least intelligent enough to learn from lessons like that.
The KAAZ diff would be exactly the same deal, and I will not sink many thousands of dollars into slow-moving inventory like that again. The only way I'd organize the deal was to pre-sell the majority of the run.
You're suggesting doing the project with 10 commitments at a price that wouldn't justify the risk (I wouldn't make a dime at $1000), but that means I have to buy and inventory the other 15-20 units, and that's exactly what I'm trying to avoid - I'm not going to sink $15,000+ into this inventory after the Quaife experience.
Call up the other Maxima specialists and see how much interest there is - if you can find someone to take this on, 1) they're welcome to it, and 2) I'll fall over in a dead faint - they just do not inventory these kind of expensive parts, they wait for me to do it and then buy them from us one at a time for drop shipping.
If I could find other companies to share the KAAZ manufacturing run, we could pull it off, but I've learned the hard way that doesn't usually work out. One of my distributors committed to buying 10 Cattman headers - at a great discount I might add - and I ordered 10 extras. When the time came to pay up last week, they couldn't come up with the $ so now I have to do a header group deal to sell off what they didn't buy ($695 each, I'll be posting that today).
Sorry I can't be more encouraging, but I've laid out the reasons why not, and I hope you can understand.
BTW, the stock differentials are different between the 5-speed, 6-speed, and automatic trannies - which means the aftermarket ones are too, and this makes it even less feasible.
Brian C Catts
Cattman Performance
07-09-2004, 11:20 AM
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Would bumping the price by a couple hundred $ help reduce the # of commitments you need Brian (to say 15)? Just curious. If I'm spending $1200 on a lsd it makes little difference to me to spend $1400 if it is the difference between getting one or not.
There's no doubt this gd will take months to get the the required # of names, and when it comes time to send you our deposit, there's bound to be some that bail and thus increase the wait time further. However by bumping this thread weekly, hopefully by the end of the year we'll have enough to get an order out.
Would be great to get an lsd just as the snow begins to melt next spring!
There's no doubt this gd will take months to get the the required # of names, and when it comes time to send you our deposit, there's bound to be some that bail and thus increase the wait time further. However by bumping this thread weekly, hopefully by the end of the year we'll have enough to get an order out.
Would be great to get an lsd just as the snow begins to melt next spring!
07-09-2004, 12:28 PM
#12
Originally Posted by ProjectNeptune
Would bumping the price by a couple hundred $ help reduce the # of commitments you need Brian (to say 15)? Just curious. If I'm spending $1200 on a lsd it makes little difference to me to spend $1400 if it is the difference between getting one or not.
There's no doubt this gd will take months to get the the required # of names, and when it comes time to send you our deposit, there's bound to be some that bail and thus increase the wait time further. However by bumping this thread weekly, hopefully by the end of the year we'll have enough to get an order out.
Would be great to get an lsd just as the snow begins to melt next spring!
There's no doubt this gd will take months to get the the required # of names, and when it comes time to send you our deposit, there's bound to be some that bail and thus increase the wait time further. However by bumping this thread weekly, hopefully by the end of the year we'll have enough to get an order out.
Would be great to get an lsd just as the snow begins to melt next spring!
(That's right.)
07-09-2004, 12:31 PM
#13
Originally Posted by HNDA ETR
Hi Brian!
Yeah, I totally understand where you're coming from and I figured that it wasn't really going to be feasible...
But hey, had to put it out there...
Yeah, I totally understand where you're coming from and I figured that it wasn't really going to be feasible...
But hey, had to put it out there...
08-05-2004, 04:55 PM
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bump for bump's sake.
First, it's 20 people, not 25.
Second, Brian please respond to my earlier post about upping the cost if it would reduce the # req'd for the order to go through.
Lastly, if worse comes to worse (is that an expression?), would a Phantom Grip group deal be feasible?
Otherwise over the winter I'm going to be looking for a 2000-2001 tranny (canadian).
First, it's 20 people, not 25.
Second, Brian please respond to my earlier post about upping the cost if it would reduce the # req'd for the order to go through.
Lastly, if worse comes to worse (is that an expression?), would a Phantom Grip group deal be feasible?
Otherwise over the winter I'm going to be looking for a 2000-2001 tranny (canadian).
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