Reading the latest issue of Super Street Magazine, p.45, there is an ad for Unorthodox Racing SS Pulleys that are made of "...premium 6061-T6 billet aluminum..." and has shown gains of 20.3 hp and 20.4 ft'lb to the wheels on 2001 Accord 3.0L.

Most of you with a pulley reported no noticeable gains, how come 20HP gain on Accord?

 

Cause our cars are well designed!

 

standard aluminum = 3-5hp
premium 6061-T6 billet aluminum = 20hp

 

Or because the Accord is poorly designed...

Nah, I think clee is right on this one.
-Cyrus

 

make it one of your last mods..ie purchases that you make...

made the pedal lighter...but for the most part, I feel like I might have wasted my money. but that was a long time ago...

 

Yeah, think about it: headers don't do much go, UDP don't do much good, the best overall intake is the stock intake (although that can now be questionable with the onslaught of hybrid intakes).

The Maxima was very well designed ... in some areas.

 

Very true. But in other areas it could use a little work, eh? *cough*asethetics*cough*rattles*cough*rearlights*c ough*rearsuspension*cough* Damn I gotta see somebody about this cough...

 

funny you guys lol.

But how can they make claim in the SUper Street mag about 20 hp gain? That can be a base for a lawsuit..Deceiving advertising? If thats how u spell it.

 

Of course they can do it... they'll just say on THAT particular car they tested they got those gains, they don't have the dyno sheets anymore, and the car has been severly changed since. That's like saying how can Random Technology advertise that their cat makes 15hp when .Org members have rarely even found 1hp? They can, and they do. We are the ones getting screwed.
-Cyrus

 

15 hp is with a whole exhaust system.

 

But does it make 15hp? Does a cat-back even make you 15hp? You should know better clee.
-Cyrus

 

ypipe, catback... 2.5 inch throughout, im you can see 15hp on a maxima.

 

So it sounds like the 2K3 Accord is going to have an easy time making an additional 30hp over its stock 240hp; 20hp from the UR pulley AND Honda indicated that using premium fuel will increase the HP/TQ by 10. (USA Today) So I guess we can expect to see 270hp Accords at the track by next season.

 

But you won't see 15hp from just the cat... most if not all of that will be from the y-pipe...

 

UR is pretty legite. I'm currently working with them on making a UDP for my VE. They do all there dyno work at a local Mustang dyno shop (I was not too impressed with the shop). Shawn (one of the guys working there) was telling me about the incredible gains achieved out of the new accord. But I dont rememmber if the 20+ hp gains was just from the UDP or from a complete set of pullies (ie. idle pulley and the rest). Actually if I remmember correctly the complete pully set releases 30? hp from the accord engine.

They have the dyno print out from the dyno jet to prove the gains.

The UDP for my VE is estimated to produce 12-15hp (We have to wait till I do another pre-UPD dyno and then re-dyno it again after a week or so). I did my first dyno with them over a month ago now, and since there shop is very busy and they could not fit me in I suggested that I install it myself (just picked up a bad **** Impact wrench) and they agreed. But since the dyno was done so long ago (and I'm continually doing work on my car) I told them that it would be necessary to do the pre-UDP dyno over again. This time I'll have them do the whole rpm range of second gear as well as the upper half of third gear (I am an auto).

 

so if the 2001 accord was designed well it would have over 250 hp??

 

is the accord engine internally balanced? if not, the udp is a ticking time bomb... UDPs were a problem for BMWs and Miatas. After some time the engine would self destruct from the vibrations that the UDP couldn't dampen.

 

self destruct!

 

now that is what i call an effective security alarm..

 

Did they actually get quoted saying that using premium fuel will increase the HP/TQ by 10? I hope they fired the guy at Honda who said that to the press. That's just not a smart thing to get quoted on.

 

How much torque will that add?

 

Did they mention anything about the drivability of the pullies. You can underdrive to free up as much hp as you want, but still need to keep some power for the accesories. Those pullies might be for "racing use" only and AC doesn't work and PS brely works...Just a thought

 

CONFIRMED

Dyno proven, track proven, and street proven.

CONFIRMED

More or less dyno proven now, and also track proven.

 

Old 300z's get 30+ hp gains from a UR UDP. It just depends on the car.

 

How much are the stock pullies weighing? Like a 100lbs?

 

do i even want to respond to this title?..

 

thats stepping into acura territory, a big import nono

 

By the way the claim for the RT cat is that it made like 11hp when accompanied by a catback exhaust. That had nothing to do with the y-pipe. so basically if you have a y-pipe you get 10-15hp; and a rt cat with a catback exhaust will give you another 10-15hp so with all of that you could have 20-30 more hp.

 

 

we need to see a before and after dyno to see the diff on a stock max. i'm still waiting for those that got it for free to post what kind of gains they got.

 

I posted earlier stating that UR is legit, NOW I take it back. They are friggen morons. They over torqued my stock pulley, my impact wrench is rated at 650 reverse torque, and it was only supposed to be torqued to around 120. I COULDN'T GET THE FRIGGEN THING OFF, I was cursing left and right at the guy (I wont mention his name).


Anyway, the prototype that I have made 10hp. BUT they plan to list the theoretical gains, somewhere around 15hp *cough* bullsh!t *cough*. When I was doing the dyno's with them they wanted to let the car cool down (to do a bullsh!t run), the dyno guy turned the engine off after doing a run and I flipped on the guy (friggen moron) after going like 130mph on the dyno he wants to turn the engine off, I'm like dude dont you wanna let the engine cool, the friggen fluid has to circulate otherwise it gonna friggen bake. They wanted to do a cold run, OFCOUSE ITS GONNA MAKE MORE POWER WHEN THE ENGINE IS COLD, when your driving your car do you pull over and let it fully cool down then start it up going on your way just so that your engine can make 5-10hp more for like 10 minutes??????/ NO, at least not many of us. Anyway I didnt let them do any bullsh!t runs with my max. I'm done venting, so you can't believe all that you read.

 

Sprinty's gonna have a field day with this.

 

thats more than i thought it would make


was that through out the rpm range or just like at a peak?

 

If you want to get one of these pulleys, check out my group deal.

Thanks.

 

I think the UR set for the accord include 3 or 4 pieces. Maxima is only a crank pulley.

 

Here are dyno results of a 20hp gain from a UR UDP on a couple Z32TT's. Maybe the VQ doesn't like the UDP .


http://www.ttzd.com/rides/dynocharts/dynochart33.html
http://www.ttzd.com/rides/dynocharts/dynochart31.html

 

Regardless of the gains, whether they be 5hp or 50hp, I'm still getting a UDP. You can't argue with physics, and physics says if it weighs less and has a smaller diameter, you will put more power to the ground.

 

That is dam good. I though people here gained 1hp when they dynoed their cars. Is this 10hp on a cold run?

I agree, I plan to get them soon also.

 

My father and I have had an on-going argument about whether the UDP would -or could- increase the top speed of a car. In a purely theoretical world, exact conditions, blah blah blah, could changing the theoretical pulley increase the top speed of our theoretical car?

Any thoughts as to why or why not?