I already previously posted up the engine vs engine dyno comparisons before somewhere, but just for reference I'll link them again here.

Stock CL-S 6spd chart: http://mywebpages.comcast.net/stevte...k_Astroboy.jpg
Stock Maxima 6spd chart: http://mywebpages.comcast.net/stevte...anceMagcom.jpg

So we know the total power under the curve, but the Acura weighs a lot more. 3446lb for the CL-S 6spd vs 3239lb for the Maxima 6spd. Taking this into account, the following results are then seen.





But this isn't the whole story just yet.

The Acura DOES have slightly shorter gearing because it can rev higher (6900rpm vs 6600rpm). This will even it up some in the Acura's favor. Also, the dyno chart only goes up to 6500rpm for this comparison because Astroboy's dyno only went up to 6700rpm. I don't have data past that. So I just stopped the chart at 6500rpm like all the others.

In the end, it's going to be a very close race between either car. But Newton says the Maxima has the advantage overall. The Max has the most advantage off the line or at lower speeds with its superior torque, but the Acura has a slim advantage from a roll at higher speeds with its better top-end. The Maxima will feel more athletic and peppy during daily driving because of the low-end though, unless you "daily drive" above 5500rpm all the time.

So in the end, to answer the original question of which is faster. Newton says:

Yes.

hehehe

 

You sure are having fun with all these charts lately!!!! I hope you work in a field of technical analysis of some sort. I am also sure The "Silver Bullet" would argue that you didn't account for a NAV equipt Acura...Both cars with or both cars without, its only fair.

 

 

I'm an engineer
hehe...this post is flame bait

 

That's a good field imho. But there's too much bogusness these days with people using "engineer" in their titles, like CCIE or MCSE. They are not engineers. Let's see them build the Brooklyn Bridge!

 

I could have posted the samething but I got lazy . According to cartest going from a 40mph roll means both cars are equal. That is until 1 mile later when the CL-S has 1 car at 135mph. Of course from a 5-10mph roll the maxima has the advantage by 1 car.

 

yeah yeah

You beat me on Kev's latest dyno so now we're even

 

or drive a train!

MCSE is a high school diploma, CCIE is a master's degree from college. Sorry, but getting CCIE and putting it on your resume means instant 6-figure salary so I wouldn't consider it "bogus." A CCIE wouldn't build it, but these days let's see them build the Brooklyn Bridge WITHOUT one.

 

I am not very interested in these things
but fastest time I've heard from a CL-S 6spd is 14.2

I like the CL a lot
Interior is awesome

 

Actually the fastest stock 6spd time I saw was 14.1@ 99-100... It was posted by a moderator at bimmersforum aka "silverstreak" who owned both cars 6spd CL-S and 3.0 Z3 Supercharged..

 

CCIE is a decent credential, but if you think it's an instant 6-figure salary you may be mistaken. They got what they wanted I'd say in late 98 right through early '00, but alot of them botched things up due to lack of experience and have since been let go. Many cos. are still paying for the lax hiring practices when there was big worries over y2k.

I respect certifications, but I tend to also figure that a person can't BS their way to an engineering BS, pass the CPA or bar exam, or get an MD. Doesn't make those people any better cause you'll surely find alot of shylocks with those credentials as well. But I can't tell you how many people you can interview saying MCSE, CCNP, or CCIE and they get all flustered when you ask them practical hands-on situational questions. CCIE's of course are better though than CCNPs.

 

CCIE's are guaranteed 6 figures unless they are stupid. When I originally passed my MCSE exams I did so in 6 weeks. 1 class on saturday to teach me how to pass the test and on monday actually do it. I have no confidence in the Microsoft exams. "MCSE" Must Consult Someone Experienced! I've talked to several recruiters and while CCIE has well founded credibility the others don't. Most companies give you either written or verbal tests. Recruiters also don't want kids out of college anymore. They want experience and with so many people being unemployed they have a huge bucket of people to choose from.

 

I wouldn't give either car the advatage.

I have seen some Maximas run low times and seen some CL-S 6spds running very low times.

The lowest CL-S 6spd to date was 13.9 101, I have yet to see a 6spd Max hit that.

 

Wrong 1/4 time...best is like 14.1 or 14.2.....No CL-S has hit 13s N/A. I guess that proves the Maxima is faster, since Neal just real a 13.99

 

Do a search. A CL-S 6SPD has hit 13.9 at 101 mph on our forum.

I monitor that board every day.

 

i don't think i'm the only one.....why don't you just stay at acura-cl.com .................

 

I did....best time for a manual per a search of "13.9".......

Best time so far 14.1@98 by a allmotor

No CL-S 6 speed has hit 13s yet.

 

I guess you have to show us the thread Russ..and aren't the 14.1 and 14.2's with headers? Thats a major mod, I saw one 6 speed Max ran a 14.1 with just a CAI. We can only wish we could get headers. I think this race is a drivers race with a slight edge to the Max both being stock. Where's this 13.9???????

 

The slight edge can not be given to the Max especially when the max drops flat on its face after 5500rpms. The CL-S pulls to 7100 rpms.

I am searching for the thread, and will post when I find it. Damn board search is dog slow.

P.S., The stock cl-s ran 14.1 or 14.2 bone stock. A modded one with headers ran the 13.9 at 101. But I am trying to locate it.

 

Oh boy..........

 

Yes Russ, the CL-s pulls more rpm but the Max has more torque down low evening it up, loike I said a drivers race. Now go find that 13.9 modded time. If a 14.1 was run STOCK (i repeat STOCK) I am impressed.

 

We should also keep in mind that Nissan did it with 3.5 liters of displacement on a DOHC V6. Honda did it with 3.2 liters of displacement on an SOHC V6, with a sprinkling of that exotic VTEC technology on top.
So, what's better, slightly bigger displacement and DOHC, or smaller displacement SOHC with VTEC??? Hmmmmmm, and then you think some more when you think of the RL, an SOHC 3.5 liter V6 w/VTEC that has less power than the TL-Ss motor.
The Nissan has good low end tq for city, decent hi end power for the autobahn, and a somewhat less sophisticated motor (compared to a VTEC V6) for easy maintenance and durability.
The honda starts off less sophisticated with an SOHC V6, but the VTEC comes in, with it dual modes cams. It makes the motor have a Jekyll N Hyde character. Not so great tq down low, autobahn madness up top.


I choose Nissan


DW

 

I am happy with my Max but if the price had not been 5K more for the CL-s AND I could have lived with 2 less doors.............enough said.

 

Russ will be searching for a long time because it never happened. The best is 14.1 for a 6 speed and thats with mods.

 

Actually, the SOHC C35 engine in the RL doesn't have VTEC. It does have a nifty *THREE* stage variable intake manifold though, which if anything is more useful than VTEC

It makes peak torque at something like only 2500-2800rpm, with peak power at 5200rpm. Not a bad little powerband there.

 

Ahhh, OK, no VTEC in the RL, that explains the lower output. Makes me think, this VTEC stuff must be costly stuff, b/c Honda only seems to put it where they must, if not, the RL would surely have it. Plus the fact that the NSX, being the only DOHC VTEC car in the entire Honda/Acura lineup, and costing >$80K,
seems to suggest that also.

DW

 

Hey Steve just to wonder what are you using to plot those dynos?
I would be interested to compare a 4th gen with a VI versus a 5th gen due to the weight difference.
-hype

 

Ok.



Based upon your use of adjectives:

Maximas (ASSume 6-speed VQ35) = capability of running low times

CL-S (ASSume 6-speed) = capability of running very low times


Hmmm......."advantage" for either car in your first statement, yet the second statement seems to imply an advantage to the CL......

 

I was thinking the exact same thing.

 

5500 rpm?? Ah, talking about the 4th gen Maxima, the premier VQ. Without the benefit of a variable intake manifold, it still gives a CL-S a damn good run for it's money. I raced one a while back and made him trash his car

http://forums.maxima.org/showthread....5&pagenumber=1

Also, you, Mr. Russ, used to own a 5th gen. That VQ30DE-K pulled all the way to redline, boyo. So why you talking about the 4th gen??? I think the VQ30DE-K is probably the best 3.0 motor Nissan had ever made, if not the best period.

Sorry Mr Russ, but you always are asking for it.

DW

 

Go to www.bimmerforums.com and search for silverstreak about the CL-S time.. He clocked 14.1@97+ with stock 6spd CL-S he even beat his friends GS400 which run 14.25@9X...

 

Yeah Bill, and if you read above someone else was pushing the advatage towards the Maxima as well.

That is why I had the 2nd reply in that they equal out at the end.

The max gets the launch and 0-60, but the CL-S will catch up at the end.

 

is that your S4?

 

I didn't say 4th gen anywhere. We are talking 6spd vs 6spd 5th gen 255hp Maxima does drop dead after 5500rpm currently.

The 4th gen did as well until the VI, the 5th gen 2000-2001 never did.

 

Linko....

http://www.acura-cl.com/forums/showt...threadid=82509

A AUTO has hit 13s N/A, so we know a 6spd has no problems doing that.

 

You saw a slip?? Or are you going by the 2nd hand reply to your post in the Acura forum that said, and I quote "he ran side by side to a another car that has ran high 13's" ??? Lets see a factual report of this car running 13's. An auto in the 13's....I would like to believe it. Can you say NAWS......

 

Yes, but they didn't preface their real beliefs on a false premise. You said even, then used the low vs. very low analogy.




It's OK to have bias, but don't act like you don't.

 

My 94 VG30 auto hit in the 14s the other day......























I'll just leave out the part where it was @ 1/8 mile.....

 

Among others.....I will call BS on the 13.9 in an auto. Again I will say no CL-S has hit 13's N/A. The record on acura-cl.com is 14.1 with mods. My friends car ran a high 13 and I was neck and neck with him, so automatically my car now runs 13s....haha. Many people on that board honestly dont know their head from their @ss.

 

ditto