75-80 Raceway
Sunday 11/24
elevation @500ft
temp @60 deg F
fuel level 1/4 tank

1st Run
R/T - 1.2929
60ft - 2.5153
330ft- 6.7815
1/8mi- 10.0991
1/4mi- 15.2652
Trap - 95.5933
tire press. 32

2nd Run
R/T - .5454
60ft - 2.4057
330ft- 6.4275
1/8mi- 9.6799
1/4mi- 14.7727
Trap - 94.6989
tire press. 26


3rd Run
R/T - .9965
60ft - 2.2762
330ft- 6.2531
1/8mi- 9.5016
1/4mi- 14.5735
Trap - 97.7855
tire press. 26


The 1st run was embarrasing as I was ultra slow to react and go a lot of wheel hop in both 1st and 2nd gear. This was my first time ever at the track so I guess we all have to start somewhere!

The 2nd run I had a great jump on the light, a better 60ft but I still got lots of hop in 2nd gear. Anyway, the trap was slow but the 1/4 was almost acceptable.

The 3rd run was pretty much where I had hoped to start the day and then improve. I was fairly satisfied with all of that except the r/t. I really hoped to get to low 14s.

All in all, very exciting day - the final day that the track was open so it was packed with Outlaw Pro Street, Real Street, T&T, and a couple of other categories I can't remember. A couple of the monster cars blew their motors and left oil all over so I think most people were losing traction. I don't know, that may be normal. We saw a silver late 70s Camaro do two hand stands (no wheelie bars). We all thought he was going to flip over.

Finally, all three times I line up against SVT Cobra (not sure '01 or '03). He ran 13.4@104.4, 13.6@104.3 and 14.5@104.8. I almost had that sucker for my last run! He obviously had ****ty traction for that last run. My friend with a C5 ran a best of 13.7@107. I just wish I had started going to the track earlier. Can't wait for March.

 

Good running! Beats my stock runs. My trip to the track was in 86 degree temperature with a 30.00 barometer. What was the temperature when you ran?

Don't know what I can run with traction and my WarpSpeed Y & B pipes. If I could find a way to get traction I would give it another try at the track.

 

Temp was about 60 deg F. Looks like you did really good stock. You should definitely go back.

 

I now only had a traction problem but a wheel hop problem. Hopefully I will have it fixed soon and give it another try in this cooler weather.

 

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Wheel hop is not a bad thing for a maxima. My best launches always hae tons of wheel hop.

 

On my last run, the wheel hop in 2nd gear makes me think I have to ease back onto the gas, no just stomp it after making the 1-2 shift.

Any thoughts?

 

Same here... it's scary because you think you are going to break something, but my best 60' times come on launches with tons of wheelhop when I just stay in the throttle no matter what.

 

Wheelhop is a VERY bad thing for Maximas or any other car and I can't believe you are suggesting to people to stay in the throttle while it's a occuring. Wheelhop is caused by a violent shock to the drivetrain (ie a strong launch). As the engine torques against it's soft rubber mounts on the hard launch the engine begins to move around. As the tires start spinning and then start to catch, the torque of the tires grabbing causes the engine to jolt and move violently. As the engine jolts, a rubberband effect starts to happen and the torque is loaded and unloaded in a rapid succession. This causes the tires to literally jump up and down.

We can wheel hop do?

1) Kills your 60 foot
2) Break engine and tranny mounts (most common repair)
3) destroy axles and tranny bearings
4) destroy a differential


I'm sure you already knew all this, Ethan.


Dave

 

I agree with Dave

But then again here we have two guys with 13 second NA Maxima's, have put a ton of money in mods, and have been fighting for 13's for awhile, and finally made it.

I don't think they care if they break something from severe wheel hop

 

No way it's the new '03 Cobra, that sucker run 12s stock. Must been the older one. I personally witnessed a '03 Cobra that ran a 12.5 with just a K&N filter.

 

Dave I understand the physics behind wheel hop, mmmk, I don't need a lesson on it. Fact of the mattter is that all good 1/4 mile times come when there is SEVERE wheel hop in a maxima. The tires don't spin they hook up great and the car starts shaking like crazy. If you noticed the 2 guys here running 13's NA say wheel hop runs are what gives you the good times. Ever think this opinion of your's is the reason to why your still running high 14's. . Give me a break dude..

 

Wheel hop can cause damage that's for sure. But it's a must at the track if you want a good time.

 

Obviously you don't understand the physics behind wheel hop. Yeah, your wicked 2.2X 60 foots with wheel hop is what broke you into the 13s I've pulled 2.20-2.29 60 foots without any hop and my 1/8 miles (low 9.4s) are right on the heals of your car when you've got a FULL INTERIOR and similar weather conditions.

And they let you be a moderator......


Dave

 

Well I've pulled 2.13 60's with wicked wheel hop on street tires so whats your point

 

No, obviosly you don't know what your talking about. What did I say that was un-correct about the physics of wheel hop? Hell have I even mentioned the physics of wheel hop? BTW my best 60' was a 2.17 on stock tires(very impressive BTW). I know of only 2 people who have gotten a better 60' then me with potenzas. Both of which had bad wheel hop..

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I've pulled 2.20-2.29 60 foots without any hop and my 1/8 miles (low 9.4s) are right on the heals of your car when you've got a FULL INTERIOR and similar weather conditions

Right on my heels with a 9.4 60', lol! Welcome to last year, you have got to be kiding me dude . With a FULL interior, spare, 1/2 tank of gas etc. I pulled off a 9.0 1/8 mile. 9.4 is not even close Dave, lol, get real.

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And they let you be a moderator......


Dave

Good obseration. Most people would have been swearing at you like a 2 year old with the amount of greif and tourment you'e put me through.

 

Last year? As posted by you in September 2002:

14.28 @ 99.46 mph - 2.38 60' - 2002 SE Manual
Went to New england dragway (NED) last night. Mods are: frankentake, UR UDP, Stillen Y-pipe, RT cat, Greddy exhaust. Ran with stock tires at 32 PSI and had my spare and all in my car plus 1/3 tank of gas. It was 75 F out at the tiem of this run.

R/T .495
60'. 2.383
330. 6.231
1/8. 9.348
MPH. 79.14
1000 12.022
1/4. 14.285
MPH. 99.46

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My best run:

60' 2.308
330 6.209
1/8 9.401<-------on your heals
MPH 77.70
1000 12.220
1/4 14.680
MPH 97.79

This was at 1100', 65 degree weather, 225/50R16s, stock air pressure all around, full interior, ET/MPH corrected to sea level: 14.49@99.1mph

2.17 60' is good? I've pulled 2.21s on 215/60R15 bald RSAs. Whoop-d-doo

I'm done with you, Ethan.


Dave

 

Theres one thing your missing here. On the #'s you have of me quoted above my VIM was not funtioning properly. Fixed it and next time I went my times where down to 13.8 with a 9.036 1/8th mile. Say it how ever you would like, the fact is your not on my heels, your about 4 cars back . By the end of the 1/4 mile your just a little spot in my miror, about 10 car away.

Maybe you did not know Dave but 15's are much better at the track then 17's and 18's. Bold tires are also a plus at the track, nice try as usual though, lol. Keep on talking the talk, I see you have sunken to the level of corrected times now. I guess it makes it a little easier for you to deal with your slow max.

Done with me? Great, then stay out of my bussiness like I keep saying. And please stop sending me PM's with vulger language in them.

 

yes overall wheel hop is bad but like ethan said i got my best launches ever with the WORST wheel hop i've even got in my car, 2.16 and then a 2.17 60 foot time. i stayed on teh throttle throught the hopping and the car took off, i was surprised but then i did it AGAIN and same results GREAT short times.

 

your still slow

 

Eliminate the wheel hop and with traction you will see some 2.0 60' times. You will not 60' as well with wheel hop. The only reason you got a better time with the wheel hop is because when you were not gettting wheel hop you were not getting traction.

 

Thank you, sir.

 

I dont get any wheel hop,and i will have the NA record next season. PS am i the only max that goes to lebonon valley dragway,its just west of mass and east of albany it is a great track.

 

nope that's where i go when i have time, which isn't often, and your gonna have to fight me for that title, although i might not have my max and if i do it's gonna be the Turboed 5th gen record

 

I will be looking forward to seeing your record breaking time slip



For the record.. idealy no wheel hop would be the best way to go. But with the modifications currently out there for the maxima wheel hop has been proven to be the way to go. Hopefuly WSP radial arms and polyuerathane engine mounts can eliminate the need for wheel hop.


Steve you might have to beat my turbo record time too

 

i'll just get a custom clutch, not tell you about it and then beat you that way , not that i'm keepign my car anyway but if i was

 

ill be right there with you, fellas.

 

also, does his trap speed seem to be a little high for a stock 6 speed? his first 2 runs seemed to be right in the normal range but his last one seems a little odd. i feel like the computer must have messed something up. 97 is what people are trapping out at with an intake and/or exhaust.

 

depends on where he is shifting..

when steve aka dmbmaxima ran 93 / 94 mph stock.. he was shifting at 6300 rpms

 

that's what im saying. i feel like ripper should be running 95.x at the most. his first 2 runs were 95.5 and 94.69 which is normal from everything ive seen. but then he ran a 14.573 @ 97.7. that is a HUGE jump. for comparison i actually almost had the exact same ET as ripper but mine was a 14.570 @ 95.2. no way shifting could net him an extra 2.5 MPH over the norm.

 

Sorry that I haven't been replying to this post but it kinda got hijacked. For what it's worth...

- I'm not stock (check my profile: Injen, UDP, H&R, Tokico, PilotA/S), although the spare and the seats remained in the.

- Every shift was at redline, as close to the rev limiter as I thought I could get.

- My 3rd run had my best 60' (I dropped .13sec on the launch alone) and not as much wheel spin on the 1-2.

- I actually think she has about .2-.3 lower ETs and .5-1.0mph faster traps if I can get my 60' down to the low 2.2s and keep traction on the 1-2 shift. I'll probably try a different track in the Spring.

 

okay it all makes sense to me now. thanks.