i always wondered how a Celica gts will do against the 4th gen maximas. anybody know?

stock vs. stock

 

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I run low to mid 15's in my GTS

 

People have gotten high-14's completely stock in them, but that requires some incredible driving skills.

You have to launch from very high-RPM's with the engine on the hot cam (the 2ZZ-FE has VVTL-i, variable lift, multiple profile cams), and then carefully modulate the throttle so that you don't hookup too soon and bog, and don't end up roasting the tires and doing a burnout. That's much easier said than done. Then shift past redline and into the limiter (1-2 gear spacing does not keep the engine in the powerband), and then do about the same thing in 3rd. Assuming the track is half-decent and weather conditions are okay, that will get you a sub-15 1/4 mile slip.


But yeah, most people aren't willing to abuse their cars that much and run low/mid-15's.

 

Every once and while "Kitbar" (use to own a 4th gen) shows up at my track and I get to race his GT-S that has a CAI and exhaust. His best is a low 14.8@96mph with 2.3X 60 foots. They're tricky cars to launch right, but they haul some butt if you can stay on the big cam. If he could get his launch down, he'd be in the mid-14s. Most of the other GT-S' are lucky to go low 15s at my track.


Dave

 

Thats an understatement I have seen some of the New Celica Guys running low 14's with a couple of bolt-on Mods. Again, its all in the launch, which most folks can't seem to do in small displacement higher HP, low TQ engines, (think Honda too ). So more often than not, you will see these very nimble, light cars getting crappy times

 

Agree totally. I run usually 2.4/2.5 60's with this car because of exactly what you said. I have a crazy time trying to launch it. I can generally keep the 1 to 2 shift in the power band (around 6k RPM). The key is keeping the car in the power band. once you fall out of it, it's all over.

 

Why are we posting things about Toyotas.

Try this Knowledge beyond believe

 

How bout if you're not interested in the thread topic then don't click on it.

 

stevtec, you right, not interested, dont post or complain! LOL!

 

If you drive the GTS like you stole it, you better watch out. Those are quick cars. From personal experience you gotta love hitting VVTLi in them.

 

i saw a completely stock black celica run a 14.8 over at Sacramento like a year ago. That same celica ran a 14.3 with just an intake not so long ago. I talked to the guy and he was pretty cool. I was completely shock when he ran that time with stock suspension and stock tires. He could have done better then a 14.3 if he got in a couple of more runs. From what he told me, it is hard to stay on the 1-2 shift above 6k in those cars and launching is tricky. Overall I am very impressed. He took out a type R with intake, header, exhaust, clutch, and flywheel pretty easily. So if you find a good driver in the celica, it can do some amazing things.

 

I think I know the guy you're talking about. If it's the same guy, I've seen some videos of him racing and his driving skills are absolutely insane. He was launching from about redline and took the engine all the way to the limiter on the 1-2 shift.

 

hey i want to see those videos, do you have them??

 

i ran for the 1s time last night...i ran against a gts...i have the slip in my hand...he had intake and exhaust i think...
this is his slip:
1.060
2.465
6.650
10.070
71.55
13.000
15.485
90.82

just to add a little somthing to your thread...
-V-

 

his 60 ft is killing him...he should be running upper 14's or extreme lo 15's

 

I raced a GTS auto with my previous Maxima(95 gxe auto)and I lost. I didn't get my *** handed to me, but he took me by like 1 car length. Also, I had frankencar intake on the auto.

My new 96 SE 5speed would be a nice race with a 5speed gts. I'll be looking out for those on the streets.lol

 

I believe the GTS only comes in 6 speed and not 5 speed. I was browsing through some celica forum and I found this thread that has all the over-all 1/4 times for the celica. Its from newcelica.org. The link is http://www.newcelica.org/forums/show...threadid=54341

the guy I believe I meant is mirconrice. I guess he is the 3rd fastest N/A. here is his timeslip.

 

ive raced my friend who owns a 6-spd gts, with my ex 98 max auto. lost by like 3 car lenghts. he had an aem cai. now i raced him with my 97 5-spd(stock), and he had added full exhaust since then. I was beating him the whole way till the end when he slowly pulled on me and beat me by inches. Dont know the times since it was at some abandoned street. The celica should be in the 14's right with those mods. But my car is completly stock. I lost by about 6 inches(we taped it). I guess my shifting skills are amazing. j/k

 

My friend has a new matrix xrs which has the same engine as a gts. He cant even hit 16's. I agree those cars are hard to launch. He was getting ****ed off because he expected better times then a 17.4.

 

i used to think that ITRs and GTSs were hard to beat until i finally ran against them. thinking that those cars put identical power and weigh lighter intimidated me. just light em up at the launch and those cars are 3-4 carlengths behind you and fading at the finish.

 

can I see your timeslip? its kinda hard to believe you ran a 14.1 at 93 mph...thats a very low trapspeed.

 

Read his entire sig, he ran out of gas on that run... he was on his way to a 14.0. Don't call bs on the best 4th gen driver on this board

 

he sucks at driving then...he should be getting upper 15's w/ it. it's roughly 300lbs heavier than the celica and there's some other differences to factor in

 

hehe again you flatter me neal. thanks for the compliments, but you are a heck of a driver especially dealing with the slicks which i have not even attempted. i still can't believe i ran out of gas. i get greedy and run too close to empty when another gallon or two wouldn't make a difference in weight. as for the slip. i have it in my hands. i can't scan it at the moment since i threw the p.o.s in the garbage, so believe what you may. here are the times i ran on that particular slip. and i knew since we sat so long in the pits and the car felt strong w/ the new ECU i was gonna break out! i wanted to get the heck outta there and go home to see the girlfriend!
dial: 14.20. RT: .596; 60 foot: 2.122; 330' 5.938; 1/8mi: 9.071@78.25mph; 990' 11.702; 1/4mi: 14.111@93.09. so as you can see i was basically coasting across the line. i usually trap out at around 97,98mph.

 

ever hear of bracket racing?

 

what the hell does bracket racing have to do with his low trapspeed...if you know about track racing, you know that bracket racing doesn't effect 1/4 times or trapspeed...

 

so you are saying you ran out of gas at the end, how did you make it back in line, did you just roll off the track. have you dyno your car yet? i'm not calling bs on your time, its just hard to believe. Just want some hard facts,

 

ummm excuse me?

I know vqdriver does all of his racing at a track local to me and i know he participates in lots of braket racing there. If YOU knew about track racing, you'd know that if he was bracket racing, which could very well have been the case and i was giving insight as to why a low trap is possible, the trap could be affected. If he knew he was going to "break out" (which i assume you know what that means since you know so much about track racing, he could have let off the gas and coasted through giving him a lower trap...

so here's a for you

 

Heh heh...amateurs

 

hmmm if he was bracket racing then if he dial in at 14.2...obviously he didn't let off the gas that well did he?? he broke out by running 14.1,

 

still could have broke out...i.e dialed in a 14.2..was on pace to run say a 13.9 and let off too late. what if he dialed in at 14.0? huh? truth is you doubted his time in correlation to his trap. i just threw another reason how it was possible. i love newbs...

 

Aside from this argument about bracket racing, the 4th gen Maxima CAN AND WILL start to starve for fuel if the tank is low enough and you are flooring it. This has happened to me NUMEROUS times on road courses, fortunately never on the 1/4 mile track. The fuel pump is in the front of the fuel tank, if you are accelerating the fuel sloshes to the back of the tank, and if the level is low enough, it will start to starve the pickup for the pump. Look at the rest of his sig like I said, I've run 14.5s @ 88mph bracket racing, so let's not even go there as far as what's possible and what's not. He's trapped as far as 98.5.

 

well the fact that he didn't dialed in at 14.0 even if he did, he would still broke out if he ran a 13.9 and you call me a newb,

 

oh yeah, i run a 13.2 at 89 mph. haha

 

thanks for standing up for me neal, chris, etc...dude my fuel level was low enough that it starved the fuel pump when i was running down the quarter mile at WOT. no, i have not dynoed my car and i probably never will. my dyno is the 1/4mi! not only did i drive off the track, i made it all the way home (driving gently of course). the fuel light was on the entire day. my lesson's learned. i should never run the car so low on fuel as to starve the car. i think its also the reason why i seized the fuel pump a couple of years ago on a bad tank of gas. of course, i always learn things the hard way....

 

 

I never said he ran a 13.9. I said "on pace" to run a 13.9...

Do you miss the point of another example?

I never said he DID dial in at 14.0. It's called a hypothetical situation giving insight as to why such a time is possible in relation to his trap. You're so stuck on the actualy situation (which i see running out gas being VERY similar as to letting off the gas)

Oh yeah and i've seen cars run low 13's at those kinds of traps before in bracket racing situations. It all depends on the dial in.

Face it, it's VERY possible but you're to stuck in your ways to try and make a point...