Saw this just now on Edmunds:

Pontiac had a 2004 Grand Prix GTP tested against its competition (all 2003 models) under the supervision of the Sports Car Club of America (SCCA) at Firebird Raceway in Arizona and got a 15.0-second quarter-mile out of it, besting such cars as the Nissan Maxima and Dodge Intrepid SXT. Pontiac claims the GTP will cover the 0-to-60 race in 6.5 seconds. Even without the supercharger, the 3800 V6 furnishes plenty of thrust and continues to be a favorite engine of this writer for its great combination of performance and economy, as well as its solid reliability history.

Seems like they conveniently got their numbers wrong...

 

A 2k3 auto Max will kill it.

 

2k3 auto max will kill what???

GTP's are a very even match in the '01-'03 models... why would the '04 be slower than these?

Plus... GTP's only get quicker once the temps drop ... soopa-chaja luvs the cool weather.

 

If it runs a 15 flat, I will suck it up through my intake, and shiit it out through my powertech, all MOTOR !

 

I ran 14.9 (w/ 2k2) on my first ever trip to the track, so their drivers must REALLYYYYYY suck!!!!!

 

If the max gets a decent lauch then it shouldn't have any problem pulling away from a GTP. Hell I ran a 14.66 stock maybe they need to hire me

 

Edmunds, by definition, is mag racing.


The previous GTP's have been able to get well into the 14's stock also. The two cars are pretty much even as far as a 1/4 mile race goes.

 

I think I Know why Mag #s are always slow for Maximas. My Maximas in the past, have always gotten faster as the car got broken into good. I remember My maxima got to its best around 20K miles. When I first got the car, it just didn't run as hard as it does now. So Mag's usually test brand new cars. Yeah they say they break em in but I still think the Maxima takes more then 5-10K mile breakin

 

I also ran a 14.9 on my first trip to the track...

I think the writer is a little biased, and was talking of the automatic Maxima...

-vq

 

my sentiments exactly...this guy at work has a newer GTP with some light mod's and ran a 14.7 at KCIR...

-vq

 

did anyone see the GTP/Maxima/350Z race clip that was posted on this forum a little while back? THe GTP beat both the other cars, not by much, but a car length or 2 right from the start. they just put down more initial torque i believe than a stock Maxima, so they launch better. After that, we can take over, at least in the 2k2/3. also apparently the Maxima has around 265 ft/lbs of torque stock, according to numerous dynos. this is right in the vicinity of the GTP which has 280 I believe

 

no doubt. GTP will put down a better 60', and likely a better 1/8th mile in my experience. they have little top end though.

on the eclipse forum awhile back, i also remember some gtp guy admitting that if he raced a v6 eclipse in his GTP from a 40mph roll, the GTP would lose. he said they have a serious dead spot at that speed. if i have it wrong, i'm just saying what i heard, don't kill the messenger

blu - DAMN, you are fast!!

 

I thought that was a lightly modded GTP against an auto 2k2 ???

 

Lots of GTPs have gone 14.5-14.6 in bonestock form. That's the hard truth. On average, piloting a stock GTP into the 14.7-14.8 range is pretty easy assuming the SC has had time to cool and the 60' is around 2.0-2.1. GTPs are great 1/4 mile machines due to thier massive torque. After 80mph is where they fall off.

I do find it funny that not one "rag" has been able to go any quicker than a 15.0 in any 97+ GTP. At ClubGP, they make it sound like all GTPs go 14.3 in stock form.


Dave

 

GTP's are nice because if you change the blower pulley to a smaller diameter, it ups your boost and your power signifigantly.

Most cars get faster after the first 5,000 miles. I know this is true for LS1 equipped cars.

 

LS1's are also more underated than bmw's

 

I was looking at GTPs before buying my max, and upon testdriving one they pull damn hard off the line and handle quite well considering their size... I also test drove a Monte Carlo SS, 4400lbs curb weight, holy crap, handles like it to! No Super Charger avail for it tho

Anyway, yeah, the GTP is fast no doubt about it, and they do have a top end when mildly modded out and limiter removed... It may take a little time to get there but I've seen videos where the HUD shows 150+ mph... I'll try to find it and post... Little more aerodynamic than the 'ol max!

 

They can do some relatively simple exhaust work and go from mid to upper 14's to mid-low 14's...It's just not fair That's for under $300. Then the pulley swap...that's maybe $80, and it's all over. Then we have to add a S/C or turbo to beat then again (or a lot of N/A mods).

 

Firebird is a SLOW track with minimal prep and poor traction unless you have slicks.

My first/only night of racing there, my best was a 15.5@89ish w/Stillen POP(I know I suck driving!). An AE Max w/autoMAGIC POP, Y-PIPE, UDP, and catback only got 15.5@88ish.

The best STOCK 5th gen record is like 15.2@92-93ish in COOL weather, I think.

They would definitely be in the 14's at most other tracks.

 

Do you guys ever notice that a bunch of stupid threads like this one start with someone that has "I finally posted something" as there status thingy. I'm not flaming, just stating that I've noticed this A LOT and the tread started usually never responds after starting it. Me thinks its a little wierd.

Dave.