I just got my cattman ss y in my 96 max se 5spd and don't notice any gains at all. Any suggestions?

 

Wait a week or so until your PCM adjusts itself. That's what I've read.

 

I suggest you check under the car and make sure its in fact there. =P

Disconnect the battery for 2 hours or so to make sure the ECU resets. Then drive around. Give it 100 miles or so to adjust. This should be done after you've checked to make sure the pipe is in fact there. =P I felt mine as soon as it was installed.

 

i have had my pipe for a good month , and havent really noticed an increase either ,it was dynoed to increase the hp on the max to 18hp extra, but it really does not feel like 18 hp was added at all

 

bye bye trannies

if u cant feel a change

 

as they said, give the ecu time to adjust.

 

You might just have been expecting too much of a difference...a Y pipe is going to give an N/A max 10% more horsepower in the best case scenario, probably a little less, if you want a big difference you gotta spend the big bucks....or get nitrous.

 

i had my ypipe on for a few months...
and i didn't really notice a difference either
even now...its not very noticable if anything

 

switch back to stock for a few weeks and feel for difference.

 

A-Ron is right... IMO.

Do you remember running out of torque after 5K RPM? Try it now... that is where you'll see your gains... your daily 2-4K range will not see too much change. Have you done your cat and your cat-back yet? By clearing-out your exhaust (y-pipe, cat, b-pipe, muffler), you are releiving backpressure. When you relieve bp, you will generally only see increases in the upper revs.

I replaced 90% of my ehaust system one night in my garage... I took it out for a drive and only noticed that it was friggin' loud. Then I took it to the highway and opened 'er up... it runs very strong right up to redline now.

I was expecting more too. So I forsake the wheel upgrade for a ZEX kit. THAT I noticed

 

I didn't notice at first then I:

1. Reset my ECU (Cleared out all the codes)mini screwdriver way
2. Went on the Highway and made some "Serious" WOT runs to 85-100
3. Went on a clear stretch of road and did some WOT runs
from a stand still. (up to 70ish)
4. Did some WOT runs from a roll (up to 70-80)

did step 2 again and I could then feel it...the "Pull/Burst"

 

Like I said before the Y pipe is simply overrated..Yes you do get more power but not like some guyus here claim..You will notice yor car will pull faster from 60 to 80 and keeps pulling hard..but in normal diving conditons you wont feel it..I also got a PR intake and full catback,and It took my car like a week to really gain all the power.Dont expect to much,But its way better then stock.If you really want to feel the diifrence with any of these boltons you have to go WOT which might be dangerous to do in the city.If you like to pass cars on the highway then its for you,if you just drive around in the city then you wont even feel it..

 

That is where I noticed the gain, from 60-80 on the highway. Plus a little deep rumble to it.

Pedro

 

This thread is stupid. Just because you don't feel something with your butt dyno does not mean much. Go to the track, then you will know what a Y-pipe will do for ya. Is .3-.4 in the 1/4 mile nothing????

 

Anyone seen any gas mileage increase with the Budget Y-pipe ? I am very interested in the Budget pipe,even I am one of those folks that doesn t redline too often...If I would see 1 or 2 more miles per gallon,that would do it for me. Please let me know what you guys experience mileagewise.

 

Normally I could resist... but it is Monday.

Track Racing = Credit Card racing.

.3 - .4 in the 1/4 mile nothing? In the grand scheme of things... yes.

If it doesn't improve "seat of the pants" then it isn't worth it to me... because I enjoy the drive, not a phallic extension contest with other people's platinum cards.

 

I got mine installed on Saturday. On the drive home I didn't really feel it. Now that I've gone about 80 miles since the install I definitely feel it. The car pulls much harder in the 3.5 - 6k RPM range in all gears.

10% power increase is not insignificant. 20hp on top of 190 is pretty darn good for $170. That's $8.50 per HP. Compare that with a $100 JWT intake that gets you maybe 5HP. That works out to $20 per HP. A $500 catback that gets maybe 5hp costs you $100 per HP. $700 for a nitrous system that gets you 75hp at the wheels is still $9.33 per HP.

It's a great deal and a great mod.

 

Hahaha....Track racing=Credit card racing. That is the dumbest analogy, or whatever you want to call it, that I have ever heard. At a track or on a dyno is the only way to know for sure what gains one is gettin from a mod.
One can argue all day about what they "feel" or don't "feel". Numbers are what count.
No matter what you say, 3 or 4 tenths lower in a 1/4 pass is significant, much more significant than you a$$ meter. I would rather know if I am fast than just driving around thinking I am.

 

but here I go anyway.

I30t,
Some people like to race clocks and get nicely plotted before/after graphs from the dyno shop. That's great. Not everyone gets into it though. Some people drive/mod for fun... that is when the a$$ meter, as you call it, comes in handy. Trust me, I havn't dyno'ed my car yet and I KNOW I'm fast. Don't need a clock for that.

 

There are probably a few more ponies that you could pull out of your ZEX kit if you tuned it on a dyno. But, if you know you're fast and that's good enough, why bother to take full advantage of the mods you spent your hard earned $$ on?

 

I suppose you did not use dyno graphs or track results to make your Nitrous decison?

Many people think they have a fast car untill they take it to the track, then they cant break 14's....not saying you, but it happens all the time.

With out #'s the org. would be full of guessing, disinformation, and imagination.

I guess ignorance is bliss, but I would rather not be ignorant.

 

“No matter what you say…”

There is a great start to an intelligent discussion.

The problem with your argument is your last statement. Everyone is not driving around thinking they are fast.

Some people just enjoy the ride and the most important thing to them (me) is that “seat of the pants” dyno.

Why would I spend a few hundred dollars so I get a little piece of paper with different numbers on it. If it doesn’t make that country road any more fun to traverse (and I am thinking it will not) then what significance does it have to me?

Sure, going faster is important to me because it improves the driving experience. A turbo would be great for that and there would be no doubt about the “seat of the pants” feel. I would throw it on a dyno to tune it and I might drag it down to the track to dial it in. Then I would go drive it because that is the point… not to prove to someone else that I am willing to spend more money on mods then they are.

“Numbers are what count…”

Sure, to some people…

 

I can smell the sarcasm here... no, it's not tuned... as I said before, 'yet'. I DO plan on hitting the local dyno sometime... I'm just not basing my entire experience on it. Just because I can get 5 more ponies out of it doesn't mean it is not a blast to drive now. Having fun is what it's all about, right?

I'm not saying that I will not take it to the dragways this summer either... but I would rather put the money into the car and not entry fees for now.

I'm not posting to this thread anymore as this is way off topic. Feel free to PM me or flame in my guestbook at http://members.cardomain.com/sleepermaxima

 

"Track Racing = Credit Card racing"?

Maybe some of us like to guage what our mods do instead of going by woefully inaccurate "butt dynos". All you're concerned about is strictly torque (the stuff that throws you back in the seat). If you're looking for something like that, then buy an F-Body/Mustang. You're not going to get a huge wallop of torque by adding a y-pipe, intake, UDP, MEVI, ECU, or even NITROUS. All these mods do is slightly elevate the power curves (~30fwhp/20fwtq at peak), but more importantly they sustain the power curves longer. This is what really counts because it's power under the curve that really makes the difference. There are points in my power curves where I'm making over 60fwhp than a stock 4th gen. The acceleration g's (the stuff you're looking for) don't increase dramatically, but they're sustained for longer periods of time (ie better acceleration thru the rpms).

There are only two ways of increasing lowend torque (idle to 4000rpms) and that's either to custom fit a Roots supercharger or add more displacement to the motor. Things like "breathing" mods (intakes, exhausts, intake manifolds), or nitrous, or even turbos DO NOT really increase lowend torque. Instead they develop power as the rpms past 4000rpms.

You remind me of the F-Body LT1 guys when the LS1 F-Body came out in 1998. They all swore the LT1 was quicker because it felt A LOT stronger by the butt-dyno. The truth was the LS1 made MORE torque at ALL rpms, the thing that made it feel slower was because it's torque curve was completely flat and didn't have the peakiness of the LT1 motor (gave the motor the sensation of massive torque). On the track, the LS1 is a .5 and 4mph faster car which is huge. By the seat of the pants, it feels quite a bit slower than the LT1. The same thing can be said when comparing the power of a stock 4th gen to one like mine that has the MEVI, ECU, y-pipe, UDP, and muffler. By the seat of the pants, my car probably doesn't feel a ton quicker than a stock 4th gen other than the fact my intake is growling loud at WOT. However, put both cars on the track and I'll make that stock 4th gen driver's head spin, especially after 40mph.



Dave

 

I know I said I was not going to post here but WTF!!!
Do you even know what nitrous is???? 20fwtq???? PLEASE!

Someone that can spout off fun facts about f-bodies (LS1 VS LT1) THIS extensively strikes me as an f-body guy. Sorry to break it to you. Guys like you make these forums hostile and lame. People don't have to run down to the track and beat the S**T out of their rides every time they perform a mod. Not everyone has something to prove.

I think the problem here is that when I say that my car is fast, you get all defensive. Why? Are THAT competitive? Jeez.

Honestly, I am looking forward to running the 1/4 sometime soon... but everytime I turn around there's another yahoo putting up the "more holy than thou" attitude because they have some timeslips. That is not the crowd I want to hang with.

Some people live to shave seconds off of their time at the strip. Some people live just to drive a car that handles and accelerates WAY better than it did when they bought it. Some like both. That's the way it is.

Props to nearly hitting triples w/o boosting though.

 

You need to calm down. Obviously Dave knows that nitrous adds more than 30hp.

He used to own an F-bod. From what I can tell, you are much more of a trouble maker than Dave has ever been.

 

I did not quote you nor was I addressing you so what do you care?

Yeah, I know what nitrous is and I know how it's delivered. You don't get this HUGE instant surge in power when it's delivered. It's not like the movies, my friend. That was point I was making.

Yes, I do know a few things about F-Bodies since I owned one. What difference does it make? I was just making a point with the example of the F-Body.

I have nothing to prove. I like to race and I like to see how my mods perform. I like let the Org know which mods work and which mods don't. I get REAL numbers from the track and dyno. On the track, I can put everything to the test with accurate timing devices and do it legally. Plus it's a blast. I don't really think I'm beating the **** out of my car either because I don't launch with wheelhop, I don't dump the clutch, and I don't powershift. 95K miles, 120+ 1/4 mile passes, stock clutch, no problems.

Definsive? Please go back and reread my post and note where I was defensive.

You can say you have a fast car and that's fine, however some of us have the proof of what our car's can do. Ever hear of "put up or shut up"? The timeslip reflects the car's true performance and the driver's ability.

I guess that's something you'll have to deal with yourself. Timeslips really do have significance. When you go to the track, you'll notice people are very concerned about how their car's perform. People ***** about .1 of a second so this might not be the crowd for you.

Ummm yeah, what's your point again?

Thanks.


Dave

 

Excellent question.

I made an assumption that your suggestion to depart to an "f-body/mustang" was derogatory. I was incorrect.

I made another incorrect assumption that the mention of "NITROUS" was directed at me as that has seemingly been a label for me on this thread.

So going with those two things, hot air expelled.

Please accept my apoligies for being WAY off.

Later,
D

 

No problem and I'm not trying to come off sounding egoistical. It's hard to type what you say and have it come across the way you intended.


Dave

 

I have had an F-Body. While it did offer more punch - it was only fun for the lingering sixteen year old in me. Then the overall build quality of the vehicle caught up with it. That and the fact that they started building Camaros in Canada - so much for "American" muscle.

My concern is return on investment. If the Y-Pipe doesn't actually make the car feel different (preferably better) than it is pointless to me. Guys at the track are spending 2-300 bucks here and there for that extra .2 seconds. What good do those .2 seconds do me? If I can't feel it, than it doesn't improve the drive... and that is what is important to me.

Now, I may have been a tad close-minded, since the obvious concern from the other side of the fence is their ability to beat some other guy in a race. I don't care if you can beat me in a race. It isn't a competition for me. That was my point about the numbers not being the only things that count. For me they are mostly meaningless (unless I am trying to dial something in - read: comment about turbo).

I am into 4x4s too. I go wheeling to enjoy it, not to see if I can beat the other guy up the hill. Of course, the wheeling world is all about having fun and the competitive niche is smaller… maybe that is my problem.

Torque isn't my major concern. Fun is... that is my whole point. The numbers are a means to an end - not the end all. My buddies Eclipse has a big 'ol turbo in it. You're right - it doesn't make a whole lot of anything on the low end - but boy when that thing spools up it sure does throw you back in the seat and put a big $hit eating grin on your face.


Heh, there you go again. Doesn't matter - I wouldn't have cared. If I drove the LS1 and liked it better - I would have bought it. If not, then why would I care whether it made more torque or not? Other than personal knowledge maybe… good to know those things just in case.

Now we come to the meat and potatoes. Obviously I could get gains throwing all that stuff on my car... but it isn't worth it to me. I know too many people that would still smoke my butt with all those mods - and they would all laugh all the way to the bank because they spent half the money I did.

Any mods I do to my Max, I do for my own enjoyment, so they have to have returns that I can see or feel (or in the case of longevity or strength - something I can substantiate). It is to improve somewhat the ride of the car overall for me.

If I wanted to compete with other people I would not start with a Maxima. Maybe an Eclipse or older Supra - some beater that I could throw a few grand into and have fun getting greasy while modding it.

Thanks for the well thought out reply Dave and sorry for the delay in response. I haven’t had time to get on here and the board being flaky has not helped recently.