ok im new to the site but not new to cars im from altimas.net and need some more helpful insight a/b fuel management...i've been reading good things about the greddy e-manage (profec e-01) and i know a little about standalones from what i got from .net..my question is has anybody on here had experience with standalones accel dfi gen7 in particular..if so is the install that hard since its a universal kit..and how hard is it to tune since it comes w/software thats accessible through a laptop.. is it also true that once you have a base program to run you can burn the software so you have separate programs one for racing and one for daily driving..and also since theres no base schematics available for nissan what do you use to start out or does the program automatically pickup on what your car starts with...i own a 97 altima soon to be turbo charged and dont want to go thru jwt and figure that if i cantune it myself than i can adjust it so i wont run lean or rich b/c since the jwt is a set program if something pikes it can screw everything up

 

i am going to use emanage, but as far as standalones, you are probably better asking at a honda site.

 

do have any experience tuning a turbo car yourself? because if not the money you probably spend having someone on a dyno trying to tune a standalone, there will be some guy who put down $500 @ JWT and will still run circles around any standalone and still have not spent half you did after the car is fully running. also consider what your HP goals are?? I'll always say if your NOT pushing the limit on your HP goal and still in a decent range, why waste loot on a standalone. many JWT setups are good up to 450-500hp+ easy off break. on an average HP street/strip car...$500 to JWT for plug and play vs. an expensive, needing to be tuned, no base program standalone...I'll go with JWT. My infamous statement...why make things more difficult and expensive when they don't have to be!

 

ok well which emanage are you going with


well how do you figure a person running a jwt will run circles on a standalone when the standalone has no limits

 

The potential of no limits

 

like I said...its all dependent on your HP goals. 450-500hp is perfectly attainable and economical using a JWT preset ECU...its been done time and time over already. of course if you are aiming for higher than that, a standalone is optimal, but if JWTs setup is fine and fits your HP goals. my whole thing is why spend more money to make less or the same power you could get with a JWT setup which can support 450-500 depending on your setup?? IMO on street/strip cars the whole stand-alone and tuning on a laptop is a fad to me(unless you REALLY need it or there are no alternatives), there are companies out there developing preset ECUs for years which have proven their gains and reliability over and over. but hell...its your money, your time, your motor, your headaches. I just believe in doing things easy and efficient when the means are there to do so

 

so you think it would be more beneficial just to get the greddy profec e-01 and play with that

 

the eo1 is not a full management it is only a boost controller...you don't get the full management properties until you purchase the Emanage seperately and "connect" the two together. but yes the Eo1 is a pretty sweet boost controller alone

 

A greddy emanage would be more than enough for just about anything you'd want to do. that's the way I'm going very shortly. For a turbo altima, a greddy will work fine. Unless you're building a racecar or something, you could never use the full potential of a standalone.

Standalones aren't all they're cracked up to be, for most street cars, it's way overkill. For racing applications, it's great though. Most standalones are pretty universal, you have to adapt it to your particular car. And that adaptation is where most problems come in. Plus, have you seen how hard it is to tune a standalone? Dyno time is ~$100 an hour, and you'll need countless hours to maximize the performance of a standalone.

A friend of mine has a Supra, it's a full racecar that runs 9.3's in the 1/4. He has the AEM EMS standalone that's supposedly "plug and play". It's taken him thousands of dyno pulls to get the thing tuned properly, and his car running right. At his hp levels-963 whp-, a standalone is the only real option. but he does not like it at all. Though it's tuned pretty well right now, it still has the occasional hiccup for no apparent reason and it takes forever to diagnose and fix. earlier this week, he was getting his car ready for the NDRA event in St. Louis this weekend, and all of a sudden, the AEM started pulling 40 degrees of timing for no reason at all. It took him from 10am to 5 am the next day to diagnose and fix it. If you're not willing to deal with stuff like that once in a while, don't do it. And my friend owns the dyno he does all his tuning on. Before he got his dyno, I think he ran up thousands upon thousands of dollars in just tuning costs.

 

so without the eo1 can you just use a regular boost controller and use a laptop?also how does the eo1 hook up to the emanage?

 

why do you need the laptop to use a boost controller?? heres my advice, before you even purchase or think about purchasing any of these items, goto Greddy's site and take a look at how they work and what they do. first thing is to have at least some idea about the items youre interested in.

 

Motec is the only one worth going with, problems with all others. And I feel I should say, it's not even close to cheap, and you modaswell get another car. ( I did)

 

???you misunderstood..my question was if i just purchase the emanage that hooks up to a laptop and just buy a regular boost controller will that effect the capabilities of the emanage or would it be the same as if i had the profece-o1 linked up to it

 

???you misunderstood..my question was if i just purchase the emanage that hooks up to a laptop and just buy a regular boost controller will that effect the capabilities of the emanage or would it be the same as if i had the profece-o1 linked up to it..also how much does motec run and thats a standalone so wouldn't that be a hassle to tune like everybody has been saying

 

using a regular boost controller and a laptop to program the emanage should be just as effective as running the profec e-01 with the emanage. however, the profec e-01 has on board data logging capabilities. the emanage also has the ability to read pressure through the e-01, so you don't have the buy the optional pressure sensor and harness.

unfortunately, Greddy's website is not very helpful. you'll find more searching google.

 

I have the profec E-01 installed and it is an excellent boost controller. I just ordered emanage with both the injector and ignition harnesses. If my pistons and rods ever show up (wink wink nigel ) then hopefully i will be able to ditch my FMU and run extra injectors. However, anyone that gets emanage, i think we should work together to try to get a starting point for our cars. So we arent all spending $$ for dyno time to do the same thing.

 

7200rpm limit is a purty cool thing, e-manage cant do that. I have not been a big JWT ECU fan, but have had a change of heart. I spent 45 minutes on the phone with Jim discussing my concerns, he was very helpfull. I think his product is a good one if you dont want to spend hours and hours on a dyno tweaking out standalone, he's already done the research and knows what works best. Yes he does tune with a margine of safety, so your not getting that exta 1% of power standalone will squeeze out, he told me his criteria for his safty margine and its very sensable. The ECU upgrade is pricy, and you need new injectors (also needed with high HP standalone). 370s are good to 420bhp, 555s are good till 620bhp (with JWT ECU); both need a z32 MAF also. The have a street gas boosted program and they can also do a 110oct & 116oct race gas program if you need that for race days. Can also do a launch control "studder box" program for turbo cars so the turbo can spool. Also he can do a water injection chip just like the nitrous daughter board that switches to another MAP when the water/alc sprays, very cool stuff.

Trust me I have thought long and hard on this. I discussed this with allot of folks. I will say this, the FMU is crap. The driver of a boosted max that has the 7k boosted program with 370cc's had me very confused when he walked me after the DC BBQ. "the proof is in the pudding" hes said, I'm a believer

 

I know the 370cc injectors are from the 300ZX tt, but where are the 555cc injectors and the z32 MAF from? Or are they custom aftermarket parts?

 

z32 is a 300zx tt or na

555cc are aftermarket

 

Interesting, that got my attention. You can't argue when you're presented with pudding

 

thanks, who makes the aftermarket and where can you buy them?

 

NISMO, BLITZ, APEX.

SGP Racing sells them but their are cheeper places to get them from, just search for "nismo 555cc"

 

So this means you're going w/ the JWT instead now?

BTW, what's the pricing for the program that will control 555's?

Final question, would I be able to use the ECU from a '95 in my '97 if I swapped the motor out with the related sensors and so on?

 

Yes, I am going to be a full trader, 60-1 and JWT

It will run in a 97 no problem as is. You may get a CEL. I think you can rewire using the FSM to stop the CEL, but you would need both years FSM's.

 

mmmmmmmmm pudding...

 

heh, lowest I've seen is like $999...I think they were the Greddy 550s, I can't imagine the price of the Nismos. a custom set from RC might cost less, I think $90/injector for some custom made 550cc'rs

 

I think what you're saying here is pretty clear, but indulge me a bit and answer this: if you had to do it all over again, would you do what you did or go with the JWT upgrade right from the beginning?

 

No regrets. Prolly should have tho.

 

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=2425869779

they aren't flashy, big $$$ Nismos or Greddys but they get the job done noe the less

 

ROFL, Dam you live in e-bay

Thats who I got mine from. Sent me four at first, I am waiting on the other two. He screwed up and acknowledged it. Nice injector actually. The extra holes in the pintle should provide better atomization. and the pintle cam is metal, not plastic. I like them!

 

you know it from shirts to car parts... the turbo setup on my Integra will basically be "sponsored" by Ebay!

and I didn't even know they made metal pintle caps, pretty sweet!