SPANKED by a 2003 Lincoln LS
at least you have an excuse. it was against a supercharged v8. i dont think you were supposed to win so don't feel bad. wait till our supercharger and turbo comes home, then we can be the new school yard bully's....
The stock LS V8 has a 280 HP/286 TQ 3.9L 32 Valve DOHC V8, and there is no supercharged version. If he beat you, then he beat you on driving skills alone. The car is beatable. The 6.4 seconds 0-60 time is correct for the LS V8.
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"A private "tuner" company now sells a sporty supercharged LS, leading some to speculate that Lincoln may offer its own such package in the near future."
yes, there is no STOCK supercharged version, but there ARE 2003 Lincoln LS v8s WITH superchargers.
yes, there is no STOCK supercharged version, but there ARE 2003 Lincoln LS v8s WITH superchargers.
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Originally posted by MAKSYMALNY
"A private "tuner" company now sells a sporty supercharged LS, leading some to speculate that Lincoln may offer its own such package in the near future."
yes, there is no STOCK supercharged version, but there ARE 2003 Lincoln LS v8s WITH superchargers.
"A private "tuner" company now sells a sporty supercharged LS, leading some to speculate that Lincoln may offer its own such package in the near future."
yes, there is no STOCK supercharged version, but there ARE 2003 Lincoln LS v8s WITH superchargers.
Originally posted by jjs
OK, we know they are possible. What exactly led you to believe the one you came across was one? I am not flaming, I just want to know how you knew.
OK, we know they are possible. What exactly led you to believe the one you came across was one? I am not flaming, I just want to know how you knew.
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Originally posted by jeepik
cuz he got beat buy a beatable car...so it it only makes sense that the LS had a supercharger, or michael shumacker behind the wheel..rioght ????
cuz he got beat buy a beatable car...so it it only makes sense that the LS had a supercharger, or michael shumacker behind the wheel..rioght ????
Originally posted by MAKSYMALNY
"A private "tuner" company now sells a sporty supercharged LS, leading some to speculate that Lincoln may offer its own such package in the near future."
yes, there is no STOCK supercharged version, but there ARE 2003 Lincoln LS v8s WITH superchargers.
"A private "tuner" company now sells a sporty supercharged LS, leading some to speculate that Lincoln may offer its own such package in the near future."
yes, there is no STOCK supercharged version, but there ARE 2003 Lincoln LS v8s WITH superchargers.
What's your point?
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jjs... what led me to believe was the fact that it said "Powered by McLaren" on the side of it... and it DEFINITELY didn't look like a 'normal' Lincoln LS.
How bad was the beating? well, considering first that it wasn't a "side by side" takeoff... I was behind him in a left turn lane when the light turned green... he nailed it, and I followed suit after the turn... he was at least 2 to 3 car lengths and I started closing the gap when we reached around 65mph... then he let off when we at 70, so I ended up passing him.
as for the "also, it was an auto Max" statement... whatever. An auto Max is still capable of 14.5/14.6 in the 1/4-mile.
quicksilver... my "point" was to counter your "there is no supercharged version. If he beat you, then he beat you on driving skills alone" statement. There IS a supercharged version, by McLaren (there are no "real" aftermarket supercharged Maximas that you can buy via Nissan).
BTW, the McLaren LS 0-60 time is stated as 6.2 seconds.
"The special Lincoln LSE includes a supercharged V8 engine packaged with a six-speed manual transmission -- a first in the LS sedan
The Lincoln LSE includes an Eaton supercharger supplied by Magnuson, along with twin intercoolers incorporated in a completely redesigned McLaren Performance inlet system. McLaren Performance Technologies also created its own, unique bellhousing arrangement to mate a Tremec six-speed manual transmission to the Lincoln 3.9-liter V8 engine. McLaren Performance Technologies cooperated with Trilogy International of Dearborn, Michigan for computer aided design and engineering services (CAD-CAE) in the creation of the powertrain package.
A re-calibrated suspension system lowers the Lincoln LSE approximately 1-inch, front and rear. Braking has been upgraded by a special StopTech four-piston caliper package front and rear, with aggressively enlarged brake discs as well.
An innovative, patented lip 18" x 8" performance wheel design is also featured on the Lincoln that, for the first time, allows the owner to simply remove and replace the outer bright trim ring -- as opposed to the entire wheel -- in the event of curb damage. Created and supplied by O-Z, this is the industry's first alloy performance wheel with "curb appeal." The patented O-Z wheels are performance matched to Michelin Pilot Sport 245/45 x 18" tires.
ASC-designed and provided body and interior appointments round out the fast flavor of the Lincoln LS -- including a perforated performance grille, Xenon-gas discharge headlamps, custom tail lights, titanium trim package and McLaren Performance "Speedy Kiwi" logos as appropriate on the head restraints, floor mats, etc."
How bad was the beating? well, considering first that it wasn't a "side by side" takeoff... I was behind him in a left turn lane when the light turned green... he nailed it, and I followed suit after the turn... he was at least 2 to 3 car lengths and I started closing the gap when we reached around 65mph... then he let off when we at 70, so I ended up passing him.
as for the "also, it was an auto Max" statement... whatever. An auto Max is still capable of 14.5/14.6 in the 1/4-mile.
quicksilver... my "point" was to counter your "there is no supercharged version. If he beat you, then he beat you on driving skills alone" statement. There IS a supercharged version, by McLaren (there are no "real" aftermarket supercharged Maximas that you can buy via Nissan).
BTW, the McLaren LS 0-60 time is stated as 6.2 seconds.
"The special Lincoln LSE includes a supercharged V8 engine packaged with a six-speed manual transmission -- a first in the LS sedan
The Lincoln LSE includes an Eaton supercharger supplied by Magnuson, along with twin intercoolers incorporated in a completely redesigned McLaren Performance inlet system. McLaren Performance Technologies also created its own, unique bellhousing arrangement to mate a Tremec six-speed manual transmission to the Lincoln 3.9-liter V8 engine. McLaren Performance Technologies cooperated with Trilogy International of Dearborn, Michigan for computer aided design and engineering services (CAD-CAE) in the creation of the powertrain package.
A re-calibrated suspension system lowers the Lincoln LSE approximately 1-inch, front and rear. Braking has been upgraded by a special StopTech four-piston caliper package front and rear, with aggressively enlarged brake discs as well.
An innovative, patented lip 18" x 8" performance wheel design is also featured on the Lincoln that, for the first time, allows the owner to simply remove and replace the outer bright trim ring -- as opposed to the entire wheel -- in the event of curb damage. Created and supplied by O-Z, this is the industry's first alloy performance wheel with "curb appeal." The patented O-Z wheels are performance matched to Michelin Pilot Sport 245/45 x 18" tires.
ASC-designed and provided body and interior appointments round out the fast flavor of the Lincoln LS -- including a perforated performance grille, Xenon-gas discharge headlamps, custom tail lights, titanium trim package and McLaren Performance "Speedy Kiwi" logos as appropriate on the head restraints, floor mats, etc."
Re: SPANKED by a 2003 Lincoln LS
Originally posted by MAKSYMALNY
All I can say is... d*mn!
I was spanked by a Lincoln LS with the supercharged v8.
All I can say is... d*mn!
I was spanked by a Lincoln LS with the supercharged v8.
Whoopie! Why waste all that money and gain a whole .2 seconds 0-60 MPH. Yeah, that's a real deal if you ask me. More likely someone badged their LS with the McLaren. Even moderate boost levels of 5 PSi would put the LS V8 w/ the afore mentioned 6 speed well ahead of you, and you wouldn't be able to catch up at 65 or any MPH (unless he was never really racing in the first place).
If you're so certain it was S/C'ed, then that's fine and dandy, but the guy behind the wheel either easn't racing or didn't know how to drive at all (that's assuming it was actually S/C'ed to begin with).
Also, the auto Maximas with the VQ35 are not 14.5-14.6 second cars in street trim. That kind of time is for track prepped trim (and still stock). That time is more like what the 6 speed VQ35's run. I'm just calling it like I see it, so don't be too offended. I guess what I'm trying to say is that there are too many improbable points in your race story, and for all of them to happen in such a manner is most unlikely and/or highly improbable.
I've run the cartest with the numbers you provided, and it's not painting a pretty picture for the VQ35 Maxima...
If you're so certain it was S/C'ed, then that's fine and dandy, but the guy behind the wheel either easn't racing or didn't know how to drive at all (that's assuming it was actually S/C'ed to begin with).
Also, the auto Maximas with the VQ35 are not 14.5-14.6 second cars in street trim. That kind of time is for track prepped trim (and still stock). That time is more like what the 6 speed VQ35's run. I'm just calling it like I see it, so don't be too offended. I guess what I'm trying to say is that there are too many improbable points in your race story, and for all of them to happen in such a manner is most unlikely and/or highly improbable.
I've run the cartest with the numbers you provided, and it's not painting a pretty picture for the VQ35 Maxima...
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Originally posted by MAKSYMALNY
a supercharged one?
a supercharged one?
http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/t125264.html
http://www.kuruption.net/?cmd=showpage&pid=21
http://2002fords.superford.org/regis...il.php?id=1475
Even if it had cosmetics, it may not have had the SC and if the 'race' took place as you stated, it is not surprising since he took the corner first and only lasted until 70. Unless you were glued to his *** as both you made the turn, he already had an effective 2 car lead just coming out of the turn, more if he stomped on it. There is no way in hell you would have closed the gap in that short a distance with MANY cars out there.
It would not have required a SC version to do this, and my 'auto' comment was to underscore the fact you had no massive advantage over even a stock V8 one.
Originally posted by jjs
OK, but the odds are still very slim it actually was one since all these sources indicate the program never went forward.
http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/t125264.html
http://www.kuruption.net/?cmd=showpage&pid=21
http://2002fords.superford.org/regis...il.php?id=1475
Even if it had cosmetics, it may not have had the SC and if the 'race' took place as you stated, it is not surprising since he took the corner first and only lasted until 70. Unless you were glued to his *** as both you made the turn, he already had an effective 2 car lead just coming out of the turn, more if he stomped on it. There is no way in hell you would have closed the gap in that short a distance with MANY cars out there.
It would not have required a SC version to do this, and my 'auto' comment was to underscore the fact you had no massive advantage over even a stock V8 one.
OK, but the odds are still very slim it actually was one since all these sources indicate the program never went forward.
http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/t125264.html
http://www.kuruption.net/?cmd=showpage&pid=21
http://2002fords.superford.org/regis...il.php?id=1475
Even if it had cosmetics, it may not have had the SC and if the 'race' took place as you stated, it is not surprising since he took the corner first and only lasted until 70. Unless you were glued to his *** as both you made the turn, he already had an effective 2 car lead just coming out of the turn, more if he stomped on it. There is no way in hell you would have closed the gap in that short a distance with MANY cars out there.
It would not have required a SC version to do this, and my 'auto' comment was to underscore the fact you had no massive advantage over even a stock V8 one.
Originally posted by Quicksilver
Whoopie! Why waste all that money and gain a whole .2 seconds 0-60 MPH. Yeah, that's a real deal if you ask me. More likely someone badged their LS with the McLaren. Even moderate boost levels of 5 PSi would put the LS V8 w/ the afore mentioned 6 speed well ahead of you, and you wouldn't be able to catch up at 65 or any MPH (unless he was never really racing in the first place).
If you're so certain it was S/C'ed, then that's fine and dandy, but the guy behind the wheel either easn't racing or didn't know how to drive at all (that's assuming it was actually S/C'ed to begin with).
Also, the auto Maximas with the VQ35 are not 14.5-14.6 second cars in street trim. That kind of time is for track prepped trim (and still stock). That time is more like what the 6 speed VQ35's run. I'm just calling it like I see it, so don't be too offended. I guess what I'm trying to say is that there are too many improbable points in your race story, and for all of them to happen in such a manner is most unlikely and/or highly improbable.
I've run the cartest with the numbers you provided, and it's not painting a pretty picture for the VQ35 Maxima...
Whoopie! Why waste all that money and gain a whole .2 seconds 0-60 MPH. Yeah, that's a real deal if you ask me. More likely someone badged their LS with the McLaren. Even moderate boost levels of 5 PSi would put the LS V8 w/ the afore mentioned 6 speed well ahead of you, and you wouldn't be able to catch up at 65 or any MPH (unless he was never really racing in the first place).
If you're so certain it was S/C'ed, then that's fine and dandy, but the guy behind the wheel either easn't racing or didn't know how to drive at all (that's assuming it was actually S/C'ed to begin with).
Also, the auto Maximas with the VQ35 are not 14.5-14.6 second cars in street trim. That kind of time is for track prepped trim (and still stock). That time is more like what the 6 speed VQ35's run. I'm just calling it like I see it, so don't be too offended. I guess what I'm trying to say is that there are too many improbable points in your race story, and for all of them to happen in such a manner is most unlikely and/or highly improbable.
I've run the cartest with the numbers you provided, and it's not painting a pretty picture for the VQ35 Maxima...
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Originally posted by Quicksilver
EDIT-- Damn it boy...I was just going to post this very information! You're fast on the draw, amigo
EDIT-- Damn it boy...I was just going to post this very information! You're fast on the draw, amigo
I found it odd you can't even find a website to order one, then did a little more digging and there you go! Just happened to have the sites handy!!
I'll let you go first next time!!
Originally posted by MannyNJ2k2max
A V8 LS prob runs 14.2 ish on a good run-so do not be surprised to get walked
A V8 LS prob runs 14.2 ish on a good run-so do not be surprised to get walked
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Originally posted by Quicksilver
Even moderate boost levels of 5 PSi would put the LS V8 w/ the afore mentioned 6 speed well ahead of you, and you wouldn't be able to catch up at 65 or any MPH (unless he was never really racing in the first place).
Also, the auto Maximas with the VQ35 are not 14.5-14.6 second cars in street trim. That kind of time is for track prepped trim (and still stock). That time is more like what the 6 speed VQ35's run. I'm just calling it like I see it, so don't be too offended. I guess what I'm trying to say is that there are too many improbable points in your race story, and for all of them to happen in such a manner is most unlikely and/or highly improbable.
I've run the cartest with the numbers you provided, and it's not painting a pretty picture for the VQ35 Maxima...
Even moderate boost levels of 5 PSi would put the LS V8 w/ the afore mentioned 6 speed well ahead of you, and you wouldn't be able to catch up at 65 or any MPH (unless he was never really racing in the first place).
Also, the auto Maximas with the VQ35 are not 14.5-14.6 second cars in street trim. That kind of time is for track prepped trim (and still stock). That time is more like what the 6 speed VQ35's run. I'm just calling it like I see it, so don't be too offended. I guess what I'm trying to say is that there are too many improbable points in your race story, and for all of them to happen in such a manner is most unlikely and/or highly improbable.
I've run the cartest with the numbers you provided, and it's not painting a pretty picture for the VQ35 Maxima...
I agree that the likelihood is that it wasn't a "true" McLaren as so many people badge their cars for something else (like the oh-so-popular M3 badges out there on 325s)... I should probably ask my roommate to run his supercharged Regal against me and see how it does, eh?
I don't think the picture for the VQ35 Max is pretty when compared to some of the higher end out there... like the EVO or STi for example... however, given that it is classed as a "family car" to most, and given it's competition class... would you agree that it is probably the best in its class? I mean, really... LOTS of people are surprised when they find out that the lightweight Max (since most think it is a 3800lb car) can be quite fast...
Originally posted by jjs
Sorry!!
I found it odd you can't even find a website to order one, then did a little more digging and there you go! Just happened to have the sites handy!!
I'll let you go first next time!!
Sorry!!
I found it odd you can't even find a website to order one, then did a little more digging and there you go! Just happened to have the sites handy!!
I'll let you go first next time!!
As long as the truth is known, I don't care which of us posts it first.
Originally posted by MAKSYMALNY
I know a street trim 2k2 6-spd Max that ran a 14.4 in the 1/4... and we read all kinds of postings for auto VQ35's that run in the mid to low 14's in the Org.... so it isn't that hard to make a 14.5/14.6 with an automatic.
I agree that the likelihood is that it wasn't a "true" McLaren as so many people badge their cars for something else (like the oh-so-popular M3 badges out there on 325s)... I should probably ask my roommate to run his supercharged Regal against me and see how it does, eh?
I don't think the picture for the VQ35 Max is pretty when compared to some of the higher end out there... like the EVO or STi for example... however, given that it is classed as a "family car" to most, and given it's competition class... would you agree that it is probably the best in its class? I mean, really... LOTS of people are surprised when they find out that the lightweight Max (since most think it is a 3800lb car) can be quite fast...
I know a street trim 2k2 6-spd Max that ran a 14.4 in the 1/4... and we read all kinds of postings for auto VQ35's that run in the mid to low 14's in the Org.... so it isn't that hard to make a 14.5/14.6 with an automatic.
I agree that the likelihood is that it wasn't a "true" McLaren as so many people badge their cars for something else (like the oh-so-popular M3 badges out there on 325s)... I should probably ask my roommate to run his supercharged Regal against me and see how it does, eh?
I don't think the picture for the VQ35 Max is pretty when compared to some of the higher end out there... like the EVO or STi for example... however, given that it is classed as a "family car" to most, and given it's competition class... would you agree that it is probably the best in its class? I mean, really... LOTS of people are surprised when they find out that the lightweight Max (since most think it is a 3800lb car) can be quite fast...
Oh, and the comparing I was talking about was between the McLaren S/C'ed LS V8 and the 2003 Maxima SE automatic. The time I got was 14.05 for the LS vs. 14.88 for the Maxima (and that's full street trim). Like I was saying, the McLaren LS would really rape most 4 door family opponents (and maybe even the 540i).
EDIT-- Yep, the McLaren S/C'ed LS V8 would beat the 540i by .05 seconds at the track in full street trim. That's pretty freakin' fast, if you ask me.
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Originally posted by Quicksilver
Well, I bought it instead of plenty of other better cars I was looking at. I just couldn't justify the price difference for the 5% or so more performance I would be gaining. The Maxima is one of the greatest buys for the money, if not the best.
Oh, and the comparing I was talking about was between the McLaren S/C'ed LS V8 and the 2003 Maxima SE automatic. The time I got was 14.05 for the LS vs. 14.88 for the Maxima (and that's full street trim). Like I was saying, the McLaren LS would really rape most 4 door family opponents (and maybe even the 540i).
Well, I bought it instead of plenty of other better cars I was looking at. I just couldn't justify the price difference for the 5% or so more performance I would be gaining. The Maxima is one of the greatest buys for the money, if not the best.
Oh, and the comparing I was talking about was between the McLaren S/C'ed LS V8 and the 2003 Maxima SE automatic. The time I got was 14.05 for the LS vs. 14.88 for the Maxima (and that's full street trim). Like I was saying, the McLaren LS would really rape most 4 door family opponents (and maybe even the 540i).
Originally posted by MAKSYMALNY
What about a 2003 Regal supercharged 3.8L?
What about a 2003 Regal supercharged 3.8L?
EDIT-- Ewww, it was ugly. 15.55 for the Regal GS vs. 14.88 for the '03 Maxima SE Auto (again, full street trim).
Originally posted by Quicksilver
Also, the auto Maximas with the VQ35 are not 14.5-14.6 second cars in street trim. That kind of time is for track prepped trim (and still stock). That time is more like what the 6 speed VQ35's run.
Also, the auto Maximas with the VQ35 are not 14.5-14.6 second cars in street trim. That kind of time is for track prepped trim (and still stock). That time is more like what the 6 speed VQ35's run.
MAKSYMALNY, I remember you saying you could beat me with 200 pounds of sand in your trunk.
I'm surprised no one has mentioned this yet, remember you were playing catch up. With cars with similiar acceleration if one even gets a slight jump you will be playing catch up for who knows how long its all about the launch in this case. If you would have lined up with him from a start the outcome might have been different who knows.
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Originally posted by MONTE 01&97 SE
I'm surprised no one has mentioned this yet, remember you were playing catch up. With cars with similiar acceleration if one even gets a slight jump you will be playing catch up for who knows how long its all about the launch in this case. If you would have lined up with him from a start the outcome might have been different who knows.
I'm surprised no one has mentioned this yet, remember you were playing catch up. With cars with similiar acceleration if one even gets a slight jump you will be playing catch up for who knows how long its all about the launch in this case. If you would have lined up with him from a start the outcome might have been different who knows.
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Originally posted by MONTE 01&97 SE
Well good JJS I accidentally didnt see that JJS I added a little bit more to it, peace
Well good JJS I accidentally didnt see that JJS I added a little bit more to it, peace
No prob!! All is good!
I fully agree with your expanded explanation. Heck, with a 2-3 car lead, he wouldn't have gained on a Sentra (no offense to Sentra owners) enough to overtake by 70mph.
Originally posted by jeepik
its still a ford...no supercharger is gonna disguise that factor
its still a ford...no supercharger is gonna disguise that factor
I think that a Supercharged LS should not have any issues with a Maxima. The only issue is the price tag.
Modding a car changes everything.
I've heard that the LS handles as well as the BMW 5 Series right from the factory. That is a hell of a compliment. I think that the LS is a great car, Ford or not.
Don't get me wrong, I think that the Maxima is a great car, if I didn't I wouldn't have one. I also think that other car companies can make great cars. I give credit where it is due.
Just my $0.02...
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I beat a 2002 LS V8 (252HP) really easily in my stock 99 5spd. The 03 LS V8 got Jag VVT now (280HP). CarTest says 0-60 in 6.3-6.4s and a 1/4 mile of 14.9 @ 93. That's better than my car will do, but still about even with a 02/03 automagic. Definitely beatable for you guys. If one really pulls on you bad then it would need some mods. If it has an S/C then it'll be walking away really badly.
