i always thought the VQ was the highest output na V6 in the market to date. just saw a commercial of the acura TL with 270 hp 3.2 V6. they got a smaller motor yet makes 5 more horses then the latest VQ. i thought i heard wrong so i went to acura's site and it's true. (btw sorry if this topic have been beaten to death)

 

Umm the NSX has a V6 that made 270bhp years ago, now it has the 3.2L 290bhp V6. Don't forget the BMW M3 engine either.

 

Inline 6.....

 

ummm Maxima's aren't the only cars with Nissan V6's in them. Dont forget about the 350z/etc.

blah blah blah

 

At what RPM does this acura motor make this power at? Also what is the tq rating for the 2k4 3.2?

 

where's steVTEC with his "area under the curve" arguement that'll probably own the TL/NSX motors.

 

270HP@6,200rpm
238TQ@5,000rpm

That's no good..

 

Exactly what I thought. When I want raw straight line performance I would much rather stick to a 3.5 Altima mt vs a 2k4 3.2 TL.

 

The TL boosted the HP from 260 to 270 with the release of the '04 in an effort to 'one-up' the Maxima, one of its closest competitors.

My son bought a TL 'S' type earlier this year (an '03 with 260 HP), and it is a fine car. If you want to rob a bank, get a TL; its styling, though clean and neat, tends to get lost in the crowd.

Any HP rating reached at rpms above 5500 isn't meaningful for my style of driving. But that is just me.

 

it'll own it just like the NSX would own 99% of the Maximas on this board

 

Not quite. Remember the 350Z is powered by the VQ, albiet tuned a bit differently, and it stomps the TL's power and torque ratings. 287 HP, 274 lb ft. of torque

 

i guess i was thinking about the acura and nissan sedans. always thought the maxima had the higher output.

 

I'd take the new TL over ANY Maxima or Altima. Have you guys seen this car yet? It may not be a torquey as the 3.5 VQ, but I'm willing to bet it will be quicker and faster than the Altima or Maxima.


Dave

 

The new TL may have 270 hp, but how much does it weigh? The last TL came in at a slightly porky 3500 lbs. Even the New Gen 6 Maxima, which is huge, weighs 3400 lbs.


DW

 

I bet not.

 

I highly doubt the TL will be faster than the 6th Gen Maxima. Area under the curve/weight...you know

 

bet it wont be quicker than this

 

I just picked up these figures from the Acura site on the new TL:

Curb Weight

Automatic: 3557 lb (1617 kg) (without Navigation System)
Manual: 3465 lb (1575 kg) (without Navigation System)

It looks like the 6-speed-without-navi will be the TL to be reckoned with. The auto, especially with navi, will be working that 270 hp VTEC motor a little hard.

DW

 

502 is a V8 Anyway, that is small nowdays!

 

Yeah, I completely understand rea under the curve, but the Acura 3.2s have always been performers. They're sluggish off the line, but once rolling they're pretty decent. The 5-speed auto TL/CL-S were capable of 14.6-14.7@96mph+ stock and the 6 speed Cl-S have gone lower 14s. Seeing that the TL really didn't gain any weight in the redesign and the TL gained power and better gearing for the auto, I'm forecasting AVERAGE 14.5-14.6s for the auto and 14.3s for the 6 speed. I guess we'll see when people start taking them to the track.


Dave

 

I have yet to see a CLS/TLS come even remotely close to those times you mentioned. I've seen a 15.0 and heard of a 14.8 on a cold day in hell, but 14.6s...?

 

14.6-14.7 can happen, but I would not call those "average" times for the previous TL-S unless you're calling it "average best times". There is a big difference between "capable of" and "will usually do a..." The new TL auto is not going to be running 14.5-14.6 on "average"

It picked up a good 50-60 pounds, and the A-spec models will have a lot more unsprung weight from the 18" rims unless Acura is using a lightweight setup, but I sorta doubt it given there is not a significant price increase. I doubt the 6 lb-ft and 10 hp peak will result in a faster car. But yes, we will see.

 

According to the issue of my car and driver:

Engine type: SOVH 24 valve v6,aluminum block and heads, port fuel injection

displacement: 196 cu in., 3210cc
power: 270bhp@6200 rpm
torque: 238lb-ft @ 5000
wheelbase:107.9 in
lenght/widht/height: 186.2/72.2/56.7 in.
curb weight 3500-3600lb

c/d performance(6-sp manual)
0-60:6.0 sec
0-100: 15.7
standing 1/4 mile: 14.7@97mph
top speed: 140mph(governed)
epa city: 19mpg
epa highway: 28-29mpg

 

Those are estimated numbers, not real test numbers.....no magazine has yet to get real numbers on the new TL.....

 

Holy crap!

 

Sooooo... Car and Driver says it can get to 97mph in 14.7 seconds but takes another full second to gain another 3mph to get to 100? Riiiight. Magazines don't have a clue.

 

Probably has to shift right at or after 97 mph.

 

That happens all the time in mags. Remember that they're not using 1/4 mile timing gear, they're using an onboard timing equipment.


Dave

 

.........

 

So here we have it, 14.7s@97mph in the 6 speed from the mags. Remembering that the mags test with an extra 40lbs of test gear and a full tank of gas/spare/etc, 14.3-14.4s are quite possible on a cold day, 1/4 tank of gas, no spare, and a 2.1 60'.


Neal-
You've never seen an auto CL/TL-S hit 14s before? I've watched a bonestock auto CL-S running 14.9@94mph with 2.3 60' at my track. With headers, I've heard from some other racers that he's doing higher 14.5s and 14.6s now. On a sea level track that's a 14.4 second auto with just headers for the only mod.


Dave

 

cough,cough,cough...

http://forums.maxima.org/showthread.php?t=243813

 

My TL-S ran in the 14.7's bone stock....so I'm sure the new TL 6-speed will be able to run low 14's with a good driver.

If you guys are wondering how quick TL's are, you can asked the guy i burnt who's on these forums (i believe he's "TheMax95"). He told me his car was a 96 5-speed with y-pipe and intake......

 

We all know what a TL-S will do. It's pretty much a driver's race between that and an 02-03 Max auto. The max is stronger off the line and through the first 1/8th mile, but the TL-S is stronger through the last 1/8th mile because of much better gearing. They end up about even.

 

Motor trend got a 14.4 with the 245 hp altima , but for some reason they rounded up to a 14.5 in the back of the mag. Also i think they take averages because they were saying on one run that it came close to the z time 13.9.

 

I've seen them hit 14s but not stock. To me the 14 second stock auto CLS/TLS is like the 14 second stock GTPs... I know they are capable of it but I refuse to believe it is the norm as I've never seen it. The fastest CLS I've seen with my own eyes is JohnTypeS or whatever his name is over on the CLS board. He's from chicago I've raced against him a few times at various tracks. I've seen him run 14.4s on occasion though usually he's running 14.5-14.6 when I see him run.

 

Honda = No Torque

 

238 ft/ lbs is decent amount

 

@5000 rpm, it isn't.

 

But the three thousand five hundred pounds of curb weight dilute it quite a bit.

DW

 

Honda relies on sustaining the torque at high RPM. Doesn't matter if the torque output is low. You can gear is so that the torque is multiplied through short gearing. Just look at the S2000 with "only" 153 lb/ft torque. Besides, in all out racing, only the last 1/3 of the tach matters.