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Old Mar 3, 2004 | 10:18 AM
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'97 5 spd vs. 04 330Ci Auto

Ok here's the deal, I know some of you are probably like "why is he even wasting his time" but I need some feedback here.

My friend has a brand new 04 330Ci sport auto, and it's about the baddest a$$ car I've been in in a while.

However I think I may be able to take him on, or at the very least give him a damn good run for his money in my 7 year old Maxima.

If the Bimmer were a stick I wouldn't be wasting MY time but I think it would be a really close race.

We've kind of fooled around racing....I do have a modded car, catback exaust, stillen intake and a 5 spd....my car is really fast I think.....but anyway we raced once from a roll....from about 20 on.....I was in first.....he very slowly pulled away from me, I mean very slowly...my bumper was at his front door....this was by about 50......at that time I started to gain on him in the way he gained on me (very slowly) but we both had to slow down. So it was a toss-up.

So I wonder if we raced from a stop, where I could take advantage of my clutch, if that would put me ahead of him and keep me there. Cause if I got ahead of the 330 at launch I don't think it would catch me. I don't think but I could be wrong Anyone raced one?

Also, and this is where I am suprised, I think I can take this car top-end. I drove the 330 last night.....damn the car flies till about 85 but after that it's not as fast. My car FLIES from 80+....I mean 4th gear is even pointless.

Fellow 5spd drivers know how 5th is on the interstate. And I think my top end is stronger than his, which kind of amazes me, with his car being a BMW and having a horsepower advantage. But I was driving the 330 at 90 last night and I could tell that my car is stronger at that speed. But I could be wrong, butt-dyno isn't exactly accurate all the time.

Oh but that car drives like a dream....ahhhh I had to calm down after driving it, Bimmer brakes, handling, sport package.....ahhhhh.......I just think I may be able to hang with him in sheer acceleration. So if anyone has any feedback or has raced one please respond.

I'd really like to race him from a dead stop all the way to 120 or so.....or from about 80 on......but that isn't smart and I just got my license back after not having it (or my car) for 7 months.

Anyone have any info, opinions, anyone raced one?
Old Mar 3, 2004 | 11:22 AM
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you might have a chance from a stop, but he might still pull too hard for you to keep up until you get into high gears, like you said.

My .02......don't race...you will get a ticket this soon after getting your license back and then they will keep it for a long time. he he
Old Mar 3, 2004 | 11:26 AM
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My girlfriend has a 2001 325xi and I need to block her on the highway so that she cannot pass me. However once at 130km/h she has a harder time passing. I can beat her off the line (5spd vs her auto). 330 would be faster than our car on the highway (stock vs. stock). BMW are amazing...I always say my car is nicer, but the BMW is really a true drivers car and lots of fun.
Old Mar 3, 2004 | 11:27 AM
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My girlfriend has a 2001 325xi and I need to block her on the highway so that she cannot pass me. However once at 130km/h she has a harder time passing. I can beat her off the line (5spd vs her auto). 330 would be faster than our car on the highway and maybe off the line (stock vs. stock). BMW are amazing...I always joke and say my car is nicer, but the BMW is really a true drivers car and lots of fun. But again, considering we are driving a 7 year old car, the max can hang with some decent competition
Old Mar 3, 2004 | 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Brudaddy
you might have a chance from a stop, but he might still pull too hard for you to keep up until you get into high gears, like you said.

My .02......don't race...you will get a ticket this soon after getting your license back and then they will keep it for a long time. he he


Oh I'm not going to. Trust me after 7 months with no Maxima I drive like a Grandmother now.
Old Mar 3, 2004 | 11:43 AM
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forget about it. those cars are dangerous. they come with the steptronic
tranny, which he's probably not using right. i raced one just for the hell of it to see what he was working with. now i have a s/c, and i let him take off first, he pulled hard till i reached 4,000rpm than i pulled on him.
now you'll probably take off quick cause you got a five speed, but dont bet no money on it. good luck!!
Old Mar 3, 2004 | 11:44 AM
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specs on 330ci auto

http://www.bmw330ci.com/330ci_specs.htm
Old Mar 3, 2004 | 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by ja1997max
My girlfriend has a 2001 325xi and I need to block her on the highway so that she cannot pass me.
That surprises me.

Originally Posted by ja1997max
330 would be faster than our car on the highway and maybe off the line (stock vs. stock).



I really don't know. Maybe I have a mutant Maxima.....(my last car, an SHO was a mutant...lol) but I really don't think his car is much, if any, faster. Like I said the one race we had was extremely close. Like I said he barely edged me and then I started to likewise edge him.....and then we had to slow down. Also it just doesn't have the pull mine does above 85, I know that for a fact....I drove it just last night and it was the first thing I noticed. Below that is a really tough call....that car hauls ***....but then again so does mine..


Originally Posted by ja1997max
BMW are amazing...I always joke and say my car is nicer, but the BMW is really a true drivers car and lots of fun.



Oh I agree one thousand million percent. BMW is my favorite car. Always has been. My buddy's car makes me lightheaded its so bad-***. That car, minus the automatic(even though it's about the best auto you can get) is my dream car.

But I have some damn strong VQ pride.
Old Mar 3, 2004 | 12:08 PM
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[QUOTE=C MAX]forget about it. those cars are dangerous. they come with the steptronic
tranny, which he's probably not using right. QUOTE]


Nah, just throw it in sport. I'm telling you they're not THAT fast. I know they are around 6.4 to 60. Now if this we're a manual 330 I wouldn't even be wasting my or his time.
Old Mar 3, 2004 | 12:12 PM
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WTF is up with all those racing threads???
it is wednesday where i live...

and just to make it clear maxedout, you have no chance with the 330i
Old Mar 3, 2004 | 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by knight71

On that site it lists 0-60 for an auto 330 at 7 seconds flat. I feel that's a tad conservative....I'd say more in the mid sixes.

It also lists a top speed of 128 limited. So even if he could accelerate faster than me top end (which I doubt) I'd still outrun him. I've gone all the way to 140 serveral times when I was still a dumb teenager
Old Mar 3, 2004 | 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by MaxedOutOfCash

and just to make it clear maxedout, you have no chance with the 330i

Oh yes, I think I do. Even if he could beat me it WOULD NOT be by much at all.
Old Mar 3, 2004 | 12:17 PM
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Top speed : 128 mph(electronically limited)
0-60 mph : 6.1 sec.(coupe, manual), 6.8 sec.(coupe, auto)
0-¼ mile : 14.8 sec @ 95.0 mph(manual)
60-0 braking distance : 125 ft
200 ft skidpad : 0.86 g

even with your really fast maxima you can't take him...
Old Mar 3, 2004 | 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by MaxedOutOfCash
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Top speed : 128 mph(electronically limited)
0-60 mph : 6.1 sec.(coupe, manual), 6.8 sec.(coupe, auto)
0-¼ mile : 14.8 sec @ 95.0 mph(manual)
60-0 braking distance : 125 ft
200 ft skidpad : 0.86 g

even with your really fast maxima you can't take him...


Um, I did, and I have. I was pulling on him above 50.....but we had to slow down. And yes my Maxima is really fast, thanks for reminding me.
Old Mar 3, 2004 | 12:18 PM
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The steptronic (from my experience in a 325xi) is not very good. Shifting from 1st to 2nd is dead on, but it hesitates greatly beyond that. To be good at it takes practice by timing it correctly and pushing the shifter b/f you want it to shift. Downshifting as well is horrible, too must hesitation. No comparison to a 5 speed. Of course this is subjective and anyone else here may have a different experience.
Old Mar 3, 2004 | 12:20 PM
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i don't even know why i posted in this thread.... all you see in the general forums now is stupid stuff like that....
Old Mar 3, 2004 | 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by ja1997max
The steptronic (from my experience in a 325xi) is not very good. Shifting from 1st to 2nd is dead on, but it hesitates greatly beyond that. To be good at it takes practice by timing it correctly and pushing the shifter b/f you want it to shift. Downshifting as well is horrible, too must hesitation. No comparison to a 5 speed. Of course this is subjective and anyone else here may have a different experience.

I agree, while Steptronic is really nice, if it were my car I'd just leave it in sport all the time. That mode is FABULOUS!!
Old Mar 3, 2004 | 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by MaxedOutOfCash
i don't even know why i posted in this thread.... all you see in the general forums now is stupid stuff like that....

Well you certainly did waste your time.

"Stupid stuff like that?"

Okay that makes no sense.......I'm merely inquiring people's opinion on a subject. If you've been on Max.org more than your six months you'd know that "stupid stuff like that" is all that used to be discussed.

So go condescend somewhere else.
Old Mar 3, 2004 | 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by MaxedOut97SE
Well you certainly did waste your time.

"Stupid stuff like that?"

Okay that makes no sense.......I'm merely inquiring people's opinion on a subject. If you've been on Max.org more than your six months you'd know that "stupid stuff like that" is all that used to be discussed.

So go condescend somewhere else.
i beg to differ...just because i have been registered for 6 months does not mean i did not browse the .org . . .
back up what you just said about all that used to be discussed is stupid stuff like that, i want to see who will agree with you.... i certainly don't!!!
Old Mar 3, 2004 | 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by MaxedOut97SE
We've kind of fooled around racing....I do have a modded car, catback exaust, stillen intake and a 5 spd....my car is really fast I think.....
Old Mar 3, 2004 | 12:37 PM
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330i- Curb weight..........................3351-3395 lb


thats pretty heavy. maxima is at about 3000 even..u can keep up fine with what u have on your max..

but i will agree. it will take you on handling, looks, getting the ladies, and overall drivability..BWM ownes. id give up my max for an older m3 anyday.
Old Mar 3, 2004 | 12:38 PM
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what are u guys talkin about? 330ci stick runs 6.1 0-60. this guy has catback, intake and a 5spd. i think u can beat him by a car.
Old Mar 3, 2004 | 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Max Noob
330i- Curb weight..........................3351-3395 lb


thats pretty heavy. maxima is at about 3000 even..u can keep up fine with what u have on your max..

but i will agree. it will take you on handling, looks, getting the ladies, and over drivability..BWM ownes. id give up my max for an older m3 anyday.


what? ud give up style for a bs looking ugly *** car thats just fast and has a BMW emblem on the hood? u crazy dude !!
Old Mar 3, 2004 | 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Max Noob
330i- Curb weight..........................3351-3395 lb


thats pretty heavy. maxima is at about 3000 even..u can keep up fine with what u have on your max..

but i will agree. it will take you on handling, looks, getting the ladies, and over drivability..BWM ownes. id give up my max for an older m3 anyday.

So would I. I agree with every single thing you said, I'm about the biggest Bimmer nut out there. I'd take a Bimmer over my Max anyday, as a matter of fact I'll drive Maximas until I can afford a 330.

But like I said earlier, I have some strong VQ pride.
Old Mar 3, 2004 | 12:48 PM
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hey MaxedOut97SE, dont feel bad. i wanted to know how i'd fair against a grand prix gt, and got hella flamed for it. they even closed my thread. I was simply asking whether or not I should put money down against it, and I got screwed over. I dont see why if people arent interested in the topic, why they bother clicking on it and posting. I was asking for opinions on how i'd do, not comments about how stupid the question is
Old Mar 3, 2004 | 01:08 PM
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Street Racing threads aren't allowed during the week, only on the weekend (even then they are closed on Monday). Take the race to the track that way you won't lose your license!
Old Mar 3, 2004 | 01:12 PM
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u think a 93 M3 is ugly? no way!!

i still love my max .. dont get me wrong..i love nissan. im on my 3rd one. 91' 240sx, 93' G20 now my max. the only car maker id buy over Nissan realisticly is BMW.
Old Mar 3, 2004 | 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by MaxedOutOfCash
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Top speed : 128 mph(electronically limited)
0-60 mph : 6.1 sec.(coupe, manual), 6.8 sec.(coupe, auto)
0-¼ mile : 14.8 sec @ 95.0 mph(manual)
60-0 braking distance : 125 ft
200 ft skidpad : 0.86 g

even with your really fast maxima you can't take him...
listen, i just ran a 330 auto. and they are quick. i hate to admit it
but they are a better car stock vs stock. even with my s/c i could feel the power coming from the 330. its hard for me to judge because i have FI, but i think without my s/c i would of got my a$$ whupped. and he wanted two cars ha ha .....i think there governed, so at top end maybe a different story...
Old Mar 3, 2004 | 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Max Noob
u think a 93 M3 is ugly? no way!!

i still love my max .. dont get me wrong..i love nissan. im on my 3rd one. 91' 240sx, 93' G20 now my max. the only car maker id buy over Nissan realisticly is BMW.

no 93's are ok. 95-99 are one of ugliest cars that ever rolled outta factory
Old Mar 3, 2004 | 03:52 PM
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just shut it up, go race, get pulled over, and then get ur license taken away again
Old Mar 3, 2004 | 03:56 PM
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A perfectly driven 5speed max in excellent condition should run 14.9 in the 1/4, that time is faster than the 15.1-15.2 that the 330 automatic would run.


I love my Maxima, its a good solid car that drives great . . . but I have driven a 330i and a 530i (sport) and I must say BMW's are in a WHOLE different class than our Maximas, theres more to driving than straight line speed.
Old Mar 3, 2004 | 05:16 PM
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My friend has a 2003 330 (ci?) convertible automatic. I don't exacly walk him, but my car is faster. I get maybe half or a full car from 0-60. If the bmw is stick, you're most likely toast. If its automatic and you're 5spd with ypipe, I'll put my money on you. Btw, I have 96 with cattman ypipe and home made midpipe.
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