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Old Mar 9, 2004 | 09:04 PM
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Possible Maxima hybrid project?

If anybody could shed some light on this, i would be grateful...

I've only owned hondas before, but have been interested in nissans for a while. I've stumbled on an RB25DET R33 Skyline engine for sale. I know that i can swap it into a 300zx, but i would like to swap it into a maxima. What i want to know is this:

1. Can i swap this motor into a maxima?
2. If so, how difficult and costly will this be?
3. If I cant, how difficult is the swap into a 300zx chassis?

Thanks in advance for your responses.
Old Mar 9, 2004 | 09:09 PM
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last time I checked it was pretty simple to swap an I6 RWD motor into a FWD transverse V6...heh

but seriously there is an RWD SR20DET powered Altima around so anyhting is possible....and I've never seen an RBs swapped into a 300zx...the 240sx is the chasis of choice for most of the RB swaps I've seen
Old Mar 9, 2004 | 10:19 PM
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the 240sx would be a MUCH better donor car for this engine. multiple people have done the swap...don't waste ur time tryin it on a maxima.
Old Mar 9, 2004 | 10:33 PM
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I don't think you can swap a I-6 in the maxima engine bay since it's a Inline so hence it's gonna be longer and the Vee engine configuration is shorter in lenght. I don't think it'll fit since Maxima's are FWD unless you can convert it to a RWD. However, I doubt it's possible to do so.
Old Mar 9, 2004 | 11:13 PM
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Why wouldn't it be possible? Waste of money and time but ANYTHING is possible.
Old Mar 9, 2004 | 11:20 PM
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With money. . anything is possible. . but im sure there would be lots of cutting, custom fabricating, and trial and error in the process. Theres a 350Z out there with an RB26DETT and a AWD drivetrain, that seems like more work than swapping a RB25DET into a Maxima. Also you might want to talk to "Shockwave" of altimas.net, he is swapping an RB25DET into his Altima. If that goes as planned, it would answer some questions about how it could be done to our Maximas.
Old Mar 9, 2004 | 11:26 PM
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Oh, and over at altimas.net, back when I had my 93 Altima . . people would ask "can i swap a VQ30 into my Altima", everyone would basically call the guy an idiot and tell him it wont work.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...ayphotohosting

so there ya have it.
Old Mar 10, 2004 | 12:45 AM
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gimmie a blank check and i'll get it done for you
Old Mar 10, 2004 | 12:49 AM
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when i first saw the title i thought hybrid gas/electric and now i come in and see a question about an rb swap.... double
Old Mar 10, 2004 | 12:54 AM
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last time i came across a VQ30DETT maxima somewhere... anyone got the link to that?
Old Mar 10, 2004 | 01:12 AM
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last time i came across a VQ30DETT maxima somewhere... anyone got the link to that?
it was in a off road go-kart running leaded gasoline

or the some skylines with the vq30dett transplanted inside
Old Mar 10, 2004 | 03:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Larrio
it was in a off road go-kart running leaded gasoline

or the some skylines with the vq30dett transplanted inside
One of Nismo's GT-R race cars uses a VQ30DETT. Check the "Racing VQ" article on Nismo's site.

http://www.nissan-dakar.com/EN/SPECIAL/RACING_VQ/
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Old Mar 10, 2004 | 03:33 AM
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well, like i said, im new with nissans, so i appreciate all ur replies. I had a feeling the swap to a maxima would be a stretch...but ardperformance.com says that the rb25 will swap right into the 300. Im gonna talk to the guy at altimas.net like you said...

I had HEARD (granted i dont know jack about nissans) that the 240 was too tempermental with sr20 swaps already, wouldnt an rb be kinda crazy?

Don't crucify me if im wrong, lol, that happens to me all too often.
Old Mar 10, 2004 | 06:46 AM
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Originally Posted by trippmckee13
I had HEARD (granted i dont know jack about nissans) that the 240 was too tempermental with sr20 swaps already, wouldnt an rb be kinda crazy?.
however you heard that from needs a beat down...the SR drops right in. I've heard the RB needs a little more, but also fits in pretty trouble free!
Old Mar 10, 2004 | 09:05 AM
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write to Monster garage, maybe Jesse James will do ti for you
Old Mar 10, 2004 | 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted by billy_corgan
write to Monster garage, maybe Jesse James will do ti for you
Hahahaha...good one. But yeah, if all you want is an RB-powered car, go for a 240SX of some kind. I'm skeptical as to how easily the RB would fit in a 300, considering it's own VG engine barely fits in there now, let alone an inline-6.
Old Mar 10, 2004 | 08:54 PM
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i think anything is possible if you have enough money. Granted this has nothin to do with maximas , but back when i was on the tiburon forums there was a rumor of a company making a all wheel drive 2003 tib which we all thought was crazy...Now that car goes to car shows all over the country. Anything is possible
Old Mar 10, 2004 | 09:22 PM
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But I'm betting they were already using the RWD VQ30DET to begin with.
Old Mar 10, 2004 | 09:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Big D
But I'm betting they were already using the RWD VQ30DET to begin with.
in most cases there is no difference between FWD and RWD motors other than mounting and trannys especially with V6s. so technicaly there is no such thing as a "RWD VQ30". most of the time they are just turned longitudnal(ie- the V6 in the FWD 3rd gen Maxima is the same motor in the RWD 300zx...just turned sideways)
Old Mar 10, 2004 | 09:55 PM
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but seriously there is an RWD SR20DET powered Altima around so anyhting is possible
You're thinking of the JDM Bluebird (Altima) SSS ATTESSA, which has a transverse-mounted SR20 and AWD. The Altima chassis itself is setup for FWD.

As for 240's being tempermental about SR20's, that's total bullsh!t. Don't ever ever ever ever ever listen to what Honda guys say about anything else. The JDM version of the 240SX (Silvia in Japan) comes from the factory with the SR20. It was designed to accept that specific motor for racing. Unfortunately, Nissan/Japan thought that since Americans like torque instead of revs and turbos, the bigger, naturally aspirated KA24DE would be a good bet.

The RB-series engines (2.0, 2.5, 2.6 and 3.0L) will fit in a Silvia engine bay. Unless I'm forgetting something from all the How-To, swap pages on the net, an RB25DET/RB26DETT only requires motor mounts, wiring Harness, ecu, intercooler, bigger radiator, and a RWD, Skyline GTS-T 5spd. tranny to swap.
Old Mar 10, 2004 | 10:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Badaxxima
You're thinking of the JDM Bluebird (Altima) SSS ATTESSA, which has a transverse-mounted SR20 and AWD. The Altima chassis itself is setup for FWD.
NOPE..trust me I know the difference, we finished an SR swap last week into a 240. check it out the RWD Altima here...RWD Redtop SR, not the FWD transverse mounted Bluebird you're talking about

what do we have here... pure crazyness!!!
http://www.locustom.com/rwd_altima.htm
Old Mar 10, 2004 | 10:20 PM
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Wow, RWD SR20 Altima? Did you use parts from the Atessa SSS? Thats pretty damn cool, I used to have a 1st gen Altima, theyre great cars, the turbo KA24 altimas are pretty quick. The thing is I remember someone swapping an SR20DET Pulsar GTiR motor and tranny into the Alty.
Old Mar 10, 2004 | 10:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Wisky97SE
Wow, RWD SR20 Altima? Did you use parts from the Atessa SSS?
I didn't do this...this is only a link I found a while back when I was looking to buy an antenna from them(Lo Custom), lol. I've only helped swap an SR swap into a 240....the RWD SR Altima is a whole nother ball game from these pics
Old Mar 11, 2004 | 02:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Badaxxima
The RB-series engines (2.0, 2.5, 2.6 and 3.0L) will fit in a Silvia engine bay. Unless I'm forgetting something from all the How-To, swap pages on the net, an RB25DET/RB26DETT only requires motor mounts, wiring Harness, ecu, intercooler, bigger radiator, and a RWD, Skyline GTS-T 5spd. tranny to swap.
the rb26dett is a pain in the *** to put in the 240 - without MAJOR custom work (read - manifolds) it's damn near a requirement that it be upgraded to a single turbo.

the rb25 fits like a glove though
Old Mar 15, 2004 | 01:11 AM
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Originally Posted by global_threat
the rb26dett is a pain in the *** to put in the 240 - without MAJOR custom work (read - manifolds) it's damn near a requirement that it be upgraded to a single turbo.
How do you know this? I assume you mean the twin turbo exhaust manifolds, which I've seen pictures of in 240's. Even so, a custom exhaust manifold is not MAJOR custom work, lots of places do them.

Pics of an RB26DETT (Twin Turbo) in an S14 240:
Notice the TWO gold-colored wastegate actuators, that means TWO turbos, and in the second pic you can see the front turbo feeding into the pressure pipe.

http://www.hpphoto.com/servlet/LinkP...73d95a6f&size=

http://www.hpphoto.com/servlet/LinkP...1c483609&size=

Down this page you'll see a mount kit and custom downpipe for swapping an RB26DETT into a 240 and retaining the Twin Turbos.
http://www.mckinneymotorsports.com/sale.php
Old Mar 15, 2004 | 03:36 AM
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why not just buy a real R33....when i was in aruba, i saw some for like 12k-20k....how much is it to ship to u.s?
Old Mar 15, 2004 | 07:51 AM
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why not just buy a real R33....when i was in aruba, i saw some for like 12k-20k....how much is it to ship to u.s?
It's not just the shipping you have to worry about. You'll have to pay a bond once the car arrives in port, which is 450% of the car's value. There is also the legalization price. Motorex is the only company that can legalize Skylines right now, and they charge $17k for '95 R33s, and $25k for 96-98 R33s.
Old Mar 15, 2004 | 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Black VQ
It's not just the shipping you have to worry about. You'll have to pay a bond once the car arrives in port, which is 450% of the car's value. There is also the legalization price. Motorex is the only company that can legalize Skylines right now, and they charge $17k for '95 R33s, and $25k for 96-98 R33s.
450%?! Geez...is that number correct or a typo?
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Originally Posted by Black VQ
It's not just the shipping you have to worry about. You'll have to pay a bond once the car arrives in port, which is 450% of the car's value. There is also the legalization price. Motorex is the only company that can legalize Skylines right now, and they charge $17k for '95 R33s, and $25k for 96-98 R33s.
Nope its "a DOT bond for one and a half times the vehicle’s dutiable value" not 450%, more like 150%.

http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/rules/...t01132004.html
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Nope its "a DOT bond for one and a half times the vehicle’s dutiable value" not 450%, more like 150%.

http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/rules/...t01132004.html
I was gonna say...

150% sounds a little more right. But why is that to be paid though? Don't they get enough money from all the other duties and taxes? geez...
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Originally Posted by Tatanko
I was gonna say...

150% sounds a little more right. But why is that to be paid though? Don't they get enough money from all the other duties and taxes? geez...
Its a bond, not a fee. You get the money back once the car is federalized, however if its not done on time they take the money and repo the car; to either de-port or destroy the car depending on the situation.
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Ahhhh I see. That's good....and bad. Must suck if you were importing something like a Skyline and don't finish it in time
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Originally Posted by Tatanko
Ahhhh I see. That's good....and bad. Must suck if you were importing something like a Skyline and don't finish it in time
That's why you don't do it yourself. How do you buy the car in the first place? Althought it's the best way, it's awful impractical to:
1. Go out to Japan
2. Look around for a Skyline
3. Have a mechanic look over the ones you're interested in to make sure the car is in good shape
4. Ship the car over.
5. Figure out what needs to be done to legalize the car, then actually do it. Hint: It's not easy.

Companies like Motorex(possibly RB Motoring in the future) take care of all that.

Btw, I'm going to give a save beating to the kid on automotiveforums.com who corrected me and said it was 450%, not 150%.
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Originally Posted by Black VQ
That's why you don't do it yourself. How do you buy the car in the first place? Althought it's the best way, it's awful impractical to:
1. Go out to Japan
2. Look around for a Skyline
3. Have a mechanic look over the ones you're interested in to make sure the car is in good shape
4. Ship the car over.
5. Figure out what needs to be done to legalize the car, then actually do it. Hint: It's not easy.

Companies like Motorex(possibly RB Motoring in the future) take care of all that.

Btw, I'm going to give a save beating to the kid on automotiveforums.com who corrected me and said it was 450%, not 150%.
Well I wanted to see what was needed to become a Registered Importer (RI) so I went to the DOT website. I found a great deal of info about it, including the bond rate. But its alot of work and money to get a license from the Department of Transpotation, let alone the technical aspects of legalizing a Skyline. Its no wonder that Motorex has no competition in the market place.
Old Mar 18, 2004 | 08:57 PM
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Lol. I could go out tomorrow and buy a 96ish R33 gts25-t with about 60k miles on it for about $15k NZD , thats about 10kUSD.

good ol free range importing over here hehehe. Yet i still have a maxima!
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Things never ****ing change around here..

Hahahahahahahahahaha..
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