Rememeber when i told you i was going to try and experiment with letting off the gas and shifting then getting back on it! Well it works like a charm!!!
If you take it to 6300-6500 rpms in 1st, left off the gas shift into 2nd gear, the revs grabs right at 5200-5600 rpm, right in the power band! From 2nd to 3rd do the same thing. I usually count 1 second before i shift, but it works like shifting a manual. The acceleration is better because you can stick longer in that gear then shift. It took a couple of practices but i got it!

Suppose to go to the track next Wednesday if weather permits. I want to see witch method is more effective,just romping on the gas or manually shifting!

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Thats great also ive noticed that when you step on the ges and it reves up high to like 6k RPM's let of the gas and than press it again also gets you better times.

 

yea.. keep doing that.. soon you'll notice your engine starts slamming into gears from first to second. everytime you drive.. and shortly after you'll notice slippage which will cause in tranny failure

i'm tellin you this cause i used to "manually" shift my auto and had to replace teh tranny after 6 months...

so i would suggest that you dont do that.

 

I've heard from people that if you let go of gas and step on it again when shifting from 1st to 2nd.. that it actually helps your tranny last longer because you are taking pressure off of your tranny? Is that true? or all BS? I personally just let the auto tranny do its job.. but I was wondering how much of it is true.. Any opinions ? suggestions?

But +1 for scopium tho for that info..

 

You know I used to do that in my Dad's 63 Chevy Impalla and after 6 months it killed the tranny.

 

Well it was a 63 chevy with a slip and slide powerglide transmission. Those things would start slipping it you looked at them wrong. Now a modern powerglide racing transmission is another story.

 

Uhhh...my friend blew his 02 Accord tranny by doing that. I don't recommend it one bit.

 

that is a bunch of BS .. alot of people tell you what they've heard themselves..

i'm telling you what i've experienced...
automatic trannies are considerably weaker than manual trannies..
this is because they were designed for a luxury and smooth feel.. rather than hard shifting...

but messing with the gear timings.. meaning "forcing" the tranny to change gears you are actuall killin the tranny...

now i'm sure alot of people are going to flame and disagree with me.. but i'm just adivsing you guys on what i've experienced personally from "manualy" shifting gears...

it all ends up with a dead tranny and 2 days with no car.. and you better be lucky if you are still under warranty ..cause if not its gonna cost somewhere between 500-1000 to get a new tranny in there...

i hope this info helps..

 

You guys are gonna chew your trannies...

Is there an echo in here....

Seriously, if the tranny on the auto were meant to shift at these points, they would have made it so...How are the trannies holding up for the 6th gen guys with sportshift???...The auto tranies are weak enough without having the added stress of higher shift points...IMO

 

That's like saying icecream will melt in a 400 degree oven...well no duh! Honda auto tranny's are notoriously weak. Make a comparison that actually makes sense...

 

I'll say this...why is it that those of us who race our cars (with the autos, that is) regularly and push them to the limits (Blubyu2k2, Jime, myself...) never have ANY type of tranny problems? Jime uses N2O and doesn't have problems with his tranny...

You guys are mostly talking out your butts. Our auto will take a hell of a lot more punishment than what you guys give them credit for...

 

dont tell me i didnt warn you guys...
N2O will not mess up your tranny if you use it right of course...

but i'm just experiencing from experience. and would hate to see anyone else go through this trouble...

this " manuaL " shifting thing is not good for your car..

 

how do u manual shift an auto?

 

well, and the ones who don't use n2o and have problems just bang on their trannies with a hammer lol

one thing to do it occasionally, on the track for example. if you keep doing that on everyday basis, you will be paying more visits to the dealer. also, those who spray, they're not doing it everyday, but when you get in a little "arguement" with another car the road, you might manually shift to get ahead of them.
so you spray and/or manually shift when you race once in a while - ok
you go crazy about manually shifting and have warranty - your dealer is not happy
you go crazy about manually shifting and have no warranty - your dealer is VERY happy.
Question you should ask yourself, do you REALLY want to see your dealer happy?

 

Blue's car is invincible...

 

ive manually shifted my auto since it was new. ive got 46k on it and i manually shift in some form just about everyday. if i dont, then it shifts at 6k and keeps me away from redline where 2k-2k1s make peak power. blu did have his slipping tranny replaced but it definetely had to do with his n2o. only thing i have for the tranny is a cooler and mobil 1 atf.

 

some of you guys actually think revving the car 300-400 rpms higher will cause tranny failure? man this place gets better everyday. How is it that I revved to 7100 quite often when I had the ECU and ran over 100+ track passes manually shifting and still no problems? I even made 50+ drag slick passes...guess what no problems. Now I can see it if you run around slamming off the rev limiter bc you think its cool but manually shifting if done correctly will not hurt the tranny. Sometimes I just don't understand some of the information you guys spew out.

 

 

ive tried this letting off the gas trick months ago and it works... but its not worth the effort to do all the time. buy a stick if you want that type of fun.

 

Honda's engines take some of the worst abuse from their drivers, because so many of them are ricers. The comparison makes sense. A Honda engine couldn't handle psuedo-shifting, yet it can handle most everything else.

 

he's talking about trannies not engines....

Honda engines are resilient because they have little torque...

their trannies ?

 

Take a deep breath, and try again. I never said anything about Honda's engines...I said their trannys are weak sauce...one brick shy of a sh1tload...one sandwich short of a picnic...

In other words, their trannys suck *****

 

i did that and messed up my tranny. it shift hard from first to second all the time. even when i drive normal

 

Why do so many racing enthusiasts on here get autos? (not flamin, just wondering)

 

Hmmmm, this is just another one of my dumb question.. if my tranny goes (which is auto), can i get a 6speed tranny and do the conversion?

 

It would be more of a hassle than its worth. Talk to Jeff at Max Tuning and get a 5-speed swap. It won't be as costly either.

 

Are you truly that dense? Not everyone here has a manual because some of us NEEDED an automatic. Actually, I bet there are 3 times as many auto owners as manual owners on this site (maybe even more). If I wanted a manual, I would have purchased one...but since I didn't, I'll make do with what I have and better it (and hopefully the community in the process). And for your information, autos are absolutely more consistent at the track than the manuals will ever be. So really, the time difference isn't that great (VQ35 powered-best auto vs. best manual), but in order to launch your manual and get the best times, you have to do everything perfectly each time. If I make a mistake driving the auto at the track (which I haven't yet), it may only make .1 seconds difference, where as your mistake with a manual will probably make a .3-.5 second difference. That's just a rough guess, of course, but I can guarantee the mistake made with the manual is going to cost more time in the long run...

 

What? It's going to cost you either way (5 speed vs. 6 speed) since his car wasn't equipped with it initially. There are a lot more things to change with our VQ35 powered cars because we are DRIVE BY WIRE (meaning electronic impulses traveling through wiring)...the systems have to be compatible!

 

I'll be more gentle than Quicksilver in my response. He was correct in that most of those that are driving (racing) enthusiasts need an auto. The number one reason....a wife.

My car is driven about 90% of the time by my wife with 2 car seats in the back, and she doesn't drive stick.

 

Honda engines are great as far as taking a beating but their auto tranny's are a bit on the weak side and are known for having problems.

 

If you absolutely "NEEDED" an auto, i was just wondering what that reason was. Chill the **** out. I never said that manuals are more consistent FYI or that auto members here are a minority. If getting faster times on the 1/4 mile is what you wanted, then more power to you man. You just need to take a deep breath and calm down, cause it just sounds like someone is mad that their wifey couldn't drive a stick or sumthing.

 

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Maybe their commute merits an auto...not that I go around slamming my max through the gears manually....but if its the winding a gear out....manual is the way to go...IMO otherwise, let the ECM do it...

 

You know what sucks more? People who own manual transmission vehicles and think they're God because they drive a stick.

All hail! I hate that cocky sh*t. Give me a break.

 

Well, it actually is a good discovery, especially for those who want to get better times down the 1/4mile with an automatic.

On a VQ-K maxima, the transmission upshifts at 6K rpms in 'D' at WOT. Peak HP is made at 6,400rpms so the shift is no where near peak HP. If you upshift manually (1-2-D selector) at redline, the revs will drop to 4,300rpms vs. 4,000rpms if you keep it in 'D' at WOT. This way the car will reach peak HP, take some advantage of gearing, and upshift into a high powerband.

If you do the trick that the thread start tried (let off the gas, punch it after the shift it manually 'i think') you'll land back around 5,300rpms, above VI switchover (5K) which is where the VQ-K makes the most of its power.

I've manuall shifted my Maxima when going WOT most of the time in my 2K for all its 80K+ miles and the transmission has treated me well and is safe. I've even done 1st gear downshifts above 35mph and perfected it to upshift into '2' quick enough without hitting the rev limiter. I've *never* tried this lifting off the throttle method though so I wouldn't know if that effects the transmission in anyway.

 

If you run it up through the gears without lifting off the throttle, you'll move the gear selector as follow:

1-2 at 6,100pms (there is a 500rpm delay on this upshift) and it will upshift at redline.

2-3 at 6,400rpms (there is a 200rpm delay on this upshift) and it will upshift at redline

3-4 ? only those with S/C would be able to help you with this

You'll drop your 1/4mile times (.3-.4) manually shifting

 

Honda's new generation of transmissions are weak and feel weak and sensative to any aggresive driving. I should know, I have one

 

Since your NOT from NY, i'll put it to you this way: Jeff at Maximum Tuning's been doing 5-speed swaps for quite awhile now and he does have a set price for doing these. But to do a 6-speed swap on a 2K like Sammywayz was asking about would be the same as when Jeff did his 6-speed swap on his 97 4th gen...it's just a hassle and not worth it! And I NEVER mentioned anything about VQ35's for Sammy's response because he has a 2K, not a VQ35!

As Mkang made reference, just chill out man! its just a forum.

 

The reason most people have an auto is because the majority of Maximas at the dealership are automatics. When I bought my car they had about 15 new maximas to choose from and only 2 of them were manuals. Everybody has different need and requirements for vehicles. Sometimes the convenience on an auto outweighs the extra half second you gain at the track, and the extra mile per gallon you get. Other than the styling, most people buy the Maxima because of the VQ35, not b/c of the 6-speed manual "option". As to which one's better? Everybody has there own oppinion ("With an IMO here and a IMO there, here an IMO there an IMO everywhere an IMO. Old MacDonald had an OPINION I.M.I.M.O.!!!!"). Besides that, isn't the point of modding our cars to make them unique, and to push the limits of the car? By tuning our cars and trying to squeeze out a little more power and performance we risk damage. It's a chance we take. So if somebody can get faster shifts from an automatic and therefor faster times, then good for them. And thanks for the warnings, that's what I love about the .org is all of the advice and spirited debates. If somebody wants to take the chance of ripping up their car, let them, and we can all learn from it. There's no need to get rude and start putting someone down because of their IMO. I drive an auto and sometimes shift manually, why? Because I can. And to the argument that us auto owners are to lazy to drive a stick? I've driven plenty of manuals, and enjoyed it, but I sure wasn't working hard and taxing my brain for optimal shifting. Let the debates continue, just try to use good taste and pull that manual shifter out of your azz before you start spewing junk on these message boards. I love you.

 

Trans will be fried sooner, trust me I work at Acura and perfected the How to blow up a tranny in 5 min test drive deal. As for the record.... 5spds when they blow up can still be driven, automatics won't go anywhere. When I blew out my 4th in my 5spd I still had 5 more gears including reverse, blow a gear in a automatic and U aint really going nowhere. As for auto to 6spd on a 00, I'm doing one next weekend for a .org member- will tell ya how it goes and will have pictures.

 

That's exactly why I get antsy. Stupid comments and generalizations from people that just like to talk. And for the record, my wife can pilot a manual tranny vehicle better than most here...


But, I do owe you an apology b/c I replied to wrong person earlier in the thread. I actually thought I was replying to Steve5891...so for you, I apologize.

And it's hard to chill out with all the utter stupidity from some of the posts and questions lately. Sometimes I vent in directions not intended...this being one of them. I shall attempt to let the water roll off my back next time.