Pics of new Top Element big brakes!
Pics of new Top Element big brakes!
After quite some time of working on this kit, it's finally ready. More details will be released shortly. These things are INSANE!



Price is $3,200 and is a bolt-on affair. Contact slammed95 to pick up your set today!



Price is $3,200 and is a bolt-on affair. Contact slammed95 to pick up your set today!
Originally Posted by slammed95
I'll wait for Larrio to post his review and thoughts about the kit. This is the small kit btw.
6 piston calipers and larger rotors are available.
Just a teaser pic for now:

6 piston calipers and larger rotors are available.Just a teaser pic for now:
advantages:
1. cadmium plated rotor hats
2. stainless bolts all around
3. cadmium/zinc plated front and rear rotors
4. rotors have larger surface gaps (veins) which allows for greater cooler while still maintaining the thickness for continuous braking.
5. Formula 1 race proven AP technology
AP racing do not sponsor nor send out free brake kits like brembo to race teams. Yet Formula race teams and even Nascar and the most bada$$ European companies go out of their way to buy AP brakes and products. What does that tell you? Take a look at a AP catalog and you'll be blown away. AP deals exclusively with race brake technology. AP heat cycles their rotors, offers a plethora of rotor types with different veins and drill designs. It is more of a race caliper designed to fit a road car than just a "kit" taken off a shelf that fits your car. AP racing designs are to such exact measurements they offer different spec calipers and rotors that you can upgrade to your existing setup. For example this current setup allows a 6 piston upgrade without changing the bracket, rotors, or hat! Also, do you want to have that same brembo kit as the civic running next to you?
As for negative benefits of BBK, yea... if your bbk is oversized and not designed for your car. You'll run into brake pressure issues. But consider this: This AP kit was developed and tested specifically for the maxima and its master brake cylinder. The piston size, the fluid it takes up, and the stock brake pressure were all accounted for. Most negative issues deal with an imbalance of brake pressure being applied front and rear, which can easily be solved with a valve to distribute brake pressure.
And still if your a non-believer, try driving a maxima with a regular full brake upgrade (ss lines, F/R rotors) and then drive a maxima with this setup and do the same stops with same rim/tire combo. All I gotta say is stopping from 40 mph with 10 ft at the stop sign is priceless
Oh, and the kit itself:
1. AP racing 4 piston Aluminum caliper with Aluminum pistons
2. 13.1 inch cadmium plated x-drilled/slotted rotors
3. cadmium plated hat with stainless steel bolts & nuts, zinc plated washers
4. Anodized brackets
5. Brembo rear calipers
6. Goodridge stainless lines all around
7. PBC rear pads, Hawk HPS front pads
Front calipers and rotors weigh considerably less than the stock one piston caliper and 10.3 inch rotor
1. cadmium plated rotor hats
2. stainless bolts all around
3. cadmium/zinc plated front and rear rotors
4. rotors have larger surface gaps (veins) which allows for greater cooler while still maintaining the thickness for continuous braking.
5. Formula 1 race proven AP technology
AP racing do not sponsor nor send out free brake kits like brembo to race teams. Yet Formula race teams and even Nascar and the most bada$$ European companies go out of their way to buy AP brakes and products. What does that tell you? Take a look at a AP catalog and you'll be blown away. AP deals exclusively with race brake technology. AP heat cycles their rotors, offers a plethora of rotor types with different veins and drill designs. It is more of a race caliper designed to fit a road car than just a "kit" taken off a shelf that fits your car. AP racing designs are to such exact measurements they offer different spec calipers and rotors that you can upgrade to your existing setup. For example this current setup allows a 6 piston upgrade without changing the bracket, rotors, or hat! Also, do you want to have that same brembo kit as the civic running next to you?

As for negative benefits of BBK, yea... if your bbk is oversized and not designed for your car. You'll run into brake pressure issues. But consider this: This AP kit was developed and tested specifically for the maxima and its master brake cylinder. The piston size, the fluid it takes up, and the stock brake pressure were all accounted for. Most negative issues deal with an imbalance of brake pressure being applied front and rear, which can easily be solved with a valve to distribute brake pressure.
And still if your a non-believer, try driving a maxima with a regular full brake upgrade (ss lines, F/R rotors) and then drive a maxima with this setup and do the same stops with same rim/tire combo. All I gotta say is stopping from 40 mph with 10 ft at the stop sign is priceless

Oh, and the kit itself:
1. AP racing 4 piston Aluminum caliper with Aluminum pistons
2. 13.1 inch cadmium plated x-drilled/slotted rotors
3. cadmium plated hat with stainless steel bolts & nuts, zinc plated washers
4. Anodized brackets
5. Brembo rear calipers
6. Goodridge stainless lines all around
7. PBC rear pads, Hawk HPS front pads
Front calipers and rotors weigh considerably less than the stock one piston caliper and 10.3 inch rotor
How are those Hawk pads? I have an AP Racing BBK 4 piston setup and the pads they sent me are the pits. They are real squeaky and they put out egregious amounts of dust which gets all over my wheels and doors...
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 2,129
From: San Fernando Valley CALI
Originally Posted by Weasel
It looks like a really nice set of hardware, but is there really a market for $3200 worth of brakes on a family sedan?
Originally Posted by Larrio
advantages:
1. cadmium plated rotor hats
2. stainless bolts all around
3. cadmium/zinc plated front and rear rotors
4. rotors have larger surface gaps (veins) which allows for greater cooler while still maintaining the thickness for continuous braking.
5. Formula 1 race proven AP technology
AP racing do not sponsor nor send out free brake kits like brembo to race teams. Yet Formula race teams and even Nascar and the most bada$$ European companies go out of their way to buy AP brakes and products. What does that tell you? Take a look at a AP catalog and you'll be blown away. AP deals exclusively with race brake technology. AP heat cycles their rotors, offers a plethora of rotor types with different veins and drill designs. It is more of a race caliper designed to fit a road car than just a "kit" taken off a shelf that fits your car. AP racing designs are to such exact measurements they offer different spec calipers and rotors that you can upgrade to your existing setup. For example this current setup allows a 6 piston upgrade without changing the bracket, rotors, or hat! Also, do you want to have that same brembo kit as the civic running next to you?
As for negative benefits of BBK, yea... if your bbk is oversized and not designed for your car. You'll run into brake pressure issues. But consider this: This AP kit was developed and tested specifically for the maxima and its master brake cylinder. The piston size, the fluid it takes up, and the stock brake pressure were all accounted for. Most negative issues deal with an imbalance of brake pressure being applied front and rear, which can easily be solved with a valve to distribute brake pressure.
And still if your a non-believer, try driving a maxima with a regular full brake upgrade (ss lines, F/R rotors) and then drive a maxima with this setup and do the same stops with same rim/tire combo. All I gotta say is stopping from 40 mph with 10 ft at the stop sign is priceless
Oh, and the kit itself:
1. AP racing 4 piston Aluminum caliper with Aluminum pistons
2. 13.1 inch cadmium plated x-drilled/slotted rotors
3. cadmium plated hat with stainless steel bolts & nuts, zinc plated washers
4. Anodized brackets
5. Brembo rear calipers
6. Goodridge stainless lines all around
7. PBC rear pads, Hawk HPS front pads
Front calipers and rotors weigh considerably less than the stock one piston caliper and 10.3 inch rotor
1. cadmium plated rotor hats
2. stainless bolts all around
3. cadmium/zinc plated front and rear rotors
4. rotors have larger surface gaps (veins) which allows for greater cooler while still maintaining the thickness for continuous braking.
5. Formula 1 race proven AP technology
AP racing do not sponsor nor send out free brake kits like brembo to race teams. Yet Formula race teams and even Nascar and the most bada$$ European companies go out of their way to buy AP brakes and products. What does that tell you? Take a look at a AP catalog and you'll be blown away. AP deals exclusively with race brake technology. AP heat cycles their rotors, offers a plethora of rotor types with different veins and drill designs. It is more of a race caliper designed to fit a road car than just a "kit" taken off a shelf that fits your car. AP racing designs are to such exact measurements they offer different spec calipers and rotors that you can upgrade to your existing setup. For example this current setup allows a 6 piston upgrade without changing the bracket, rotors, or hat! Also, do you want to have that same brembo kit as the civic running next to you?

As for negative benefits of BBK, yea... if your bbk is oversized and not designed for your car. You'll run into brake pressure issues. But consider this: This AP kit was developed and tested specifically for the maxima and its master brake cylinder. The piston size, the fluid it takes up, and the stock brake pressure were all accounted for. Most negative issues deal with an imbalance of brake pressure being applied front and rear, which can easily be solved with a valve to distribute brake pressure.
And still if your a non-believer, try driving a maxima with a regular full brake upgrade (ss lines, F/R rotors) and then drive a maxima with this setup and do the same stops with same rim/tire combo. All I gotta say is stopping from 40 mph with 10 ft at the stop sign is priceless

Oh, and the kit itself:
1. AP racing 4 piston Aluminum caliper with Aluminum pistons
2. 13.1 inch cadmium plated x-drilled/slotted rotors
3. cadmium plated hat with stainless steel bolts & nuts, zinc plated washers
4. Anodized brackets
5. Brembo rear calipers
6. Goodridge stainless lines all around
7. PBC rear pads, Hawk HPS front pads
Front calipers and rotors weigh considerably less than the stock one piston caliper and 10.3 inch rotor
Alright larry, im sold. You mention BREMBO rear calipers?!?!? whtas that about?
Originally Posted by 1FSTMAX
Price is $3,200 and is a bolt-on affair. Contact slammed95 to pick up your set today!
To each his own...
BTW, when u said 'Brembo rear caliper' did you mean to say 'Brembo rear rotors?'
If you indeed meant 'caliper', what did you do with the emergency/parking brake?
Originally Posted by PhxBlue
How are those Hawk pads? I have an AP Racing BBK 4 piston setup and the pads they sent me are the pits. They are real squeaky and they put out egregious amounts of dust which gets all over my wheels and doors...
Mine are really quiet and haven't really dusted all that much yet. oh, and yes that is a typo... brembo rear rotors not calipers.
Wow.......
.......If I could only afford it......
BTW, dont hate on it, just because it's not in your budget. Im sure its worth every penny. Might be overkill for some of you guys' cars, but its still a quality product.
.......If I could only afford it......BTW, dont hate on it, just because it's not in your budget. Im sure its worth every penny. Might be overkill for some of you guys' cars, but its still a quality product.
Originally Posted by PhxBlue
You misunderstood me. I meant "how are they in performance and driveability" not "how do you know if they are hawk".
Hawk pads are great and extremely quiet. They groan in the morning when i'm parking on hills. My rear axxis pads are louder
cheaper than a trip to the body shop? Maybe true, but a good driver knows his car's limits and knows how far to push his factory brakes. Giving someone more powerful brakes has little to do with keeping him out of an accident if he's a bad driver or doesn't know his car's limits....
I'm sure $3k is a fine expense for those who either show or "REALLY" race (not just 1/4 miles) their cars, but for the normal spirited driver seems a bit excessive. $3K gets you a S/C, which is much more fun
Just my opinion, seems these BBKs are getting excessively expensive. I mean, how much does this particular BBK actually cost to MAKE? $500, $750.....?
But they do look damn nice and there's always some people who have $$ burning a hole in their pockets and will get em, so best of luck to you...
I'm sure $3k is a fine expense for those who either show or "REALLY" race (not just 1/4 miles) their cars, but for the normal spirited driver seems a bit excessive. $3K gets you a S/C, which is much more fun

Just my opinion, seems these BBKs are getting excessively expensive. I mean, how much does this particular BBK actually cost to MAKE? $500, $750.....?
But they do look damn nice and there's always some people who have $$ burning a hole in their pockets and will get em, so best of luck to you...
Originally Posted by irish44j
knows his car's limits,,, and knows how far to push his factory brakes.
Originally Posted by irish44j
yeah yeah....I know....but its so much more effort to type "his/her", and you know what I meant! Since when is the org P.C.?
Originally Posted by irish44j
cheaper than a trip to the body shop? Maybe true, but a good driver knows his car's limits and knows how far to push his factory brakes. Giving someone more powerful brakes has little to do with keeping him out of an accident if he's a bad driver or doesn't know his car's limits....
Giving someone powerful brakes has in more consideration with two things:1. you trying to stop in time when your going too fast
2. you trying to avoid other "bad" drivers out there
Yes, a "good" driver knows the limits of his car but he cannot control the bad judgement or skill or others. Ever try stopping this 3200 lb car with puny 10.3 inch one piston brakes when someone cuts in front of you?

Originally Posted by irish44j
I'm sure $3k is a fine expense for those who either show or "REALLY" race (not just 1/4 miles) their cars, but for the normal spirited driver seems a bit excessive. $3K gets you a S/C, which is much more fun 

Originally Posted by irish44j
Just my opinion, seems these BBKs are getting excessively expensive. I mean, how much does this particular BBK actually cost to MAKE? $500, $750.....?
As for the differences between this and the stillen kit, it is mentioned in p.1. Cadmium plated everything for stronger chemical/corrosion resistance. Aircraft grade ss bolts and nuts. And options to run a larger/beefier rotors or 6 piston calilper completely bolt on. And try not buying something direct from stillen... you'll find out the hard way when something breaks and your name isn't in the system. Which means if you buy from a distributor (SWA, Avalon), your name won't be in the system.
Those look really nice! But even with my low budget 300z calipers and 1-piece 13 cobra rotors, the front bias is way too much. So I upgraded my rear rotors by 1" inch. It's better now.
As far as I know, you CAN adjust the fr/rear bias with something like a Tilton bias unit. But AFAIK, it doesn't increase the rear bias, it decreases the front bias. I believe it has to work this way because the bias is intergrated into the master cylinder so you can't do anything to increase the amount of braking going to the rears. Only decrease the amount going to the fronts.
As far as I know, you CAN adjust the fr/rear bias with something like a Tilton bias unit. But AFAIK, it doesn't increase the rear bias, it decreases the front bias. I believe it has to work this way because the bias is intergrated into the master cylinder so you can't do anything to increase the amount of braking going to the rears. Only decrease the amount going to the fronts.
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 2,129
From: San Fernando Valley CALI
Originally Posted by kloogy
I see the haterade flows deep still in the cheap-o Org......
Kloogy => Always cracks me up...
Like I said earlier, my SSBC BBK cost less than $1000 and is pretty great!
Originally Posted by kloogy
I see the haterade flows deep still in the cheap-o Org......
ssr turbo kit is also a good exampleits fine, the ones that really wanna build up cars will just have to put out more $$ for custom projects or personal developments. i.e. Blehmco stuff and SR20DEN secret sauce IM




That would almost pay off my car.