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Old Jul 4, 2004 | 02:14 PM
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Pics of new Top Element big brakes!

After quite some time of working on this kit, it's finally ready. More details will be released shortly. These things are INSANE!





Price is $3,200 and is a bolt-on affair. Contact slammed95 to pick up your set today!
Old Jul 4, 2004 | 02:23 PM
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Details? How big is the rotor, 4 piston calipers, Slotted/ X-drilled, is that front and rear?

The caliper in the 1st pic looks HUGE!!!!!!!!
Old Jul 4, 2004 | 02:42 PM
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$3200 That would almost pay off my car.
Old Jul 4, 2004 | 03:38 PM
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$3200 That would almost pay off my car.
no way i'm paying 3200 !!! that's insane !!!
Old Jul 4, 2004 | 07:27 PM
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Didn't some mag like "Car and Driver" say a lot of negative things about big brake kits only available for the front. We need some that isn't so $$$ and is a available for all more tires.
Old Jul 4, 2004 | 07:52 PM
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Originally Posted by slammed95
I'll wait for Larrio to post his review and thoughts about the kit. This is the small kit btw. 6 piston calipers and larger rotors are available.
Just a teaser pic for now:
wow! you guys are amazing...looks like im gonna hafta roadtrip down to so-cali for a whole trunkload full of parts and goodies!...
Old Jul 4, 2004 | 08:21 PM
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Damn...that kit is mad tight! Wish I had the funds...
Old Jul 4, 2004 | 08:23 PM
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i guess the main question, is for that price...what are my advantages to a brembo kit. Id totally LOVE to support local..sorta local, makers. But whats the deal?
Old Jul 4, 2004 | 08:24 PM
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DUDE!!! Those look freakin Sweet!!!!
Old Jul 4, 2004 | 09:21 PM
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advantages:
1. cadmium plated rotor hats
2. stainless bolts all around
3. cadmium/zinc plated front and rear rotors
4. rotors have larger surface gaps (veins) which allows for greater cooler while still maintaining the thickness for continuous braking.
5. Formula 1 race proven AP technology

AP racing do not sponsor nor send out free brake kits like brembo to race teams. Yet Formula race teams and even Nascar and the most bada$$ European companies go out of their way to buy AP brakes and products. What does that tell you? Take a look at a AP catalog and you'll be blown away. AP deals exclusively with race brake technology. AP heat cycles their rotors, offers a plethora of rotor types with different veins and drill designs. It is more of a race caliper designed to fit a road car than just a "kit" taken off a shelf that fits your car. AP racing designs are to such exact measurements they offer different spec calipers and rotors that you can upgrade to your existing setup. For example this current setup allows a 6 piston upgrade without changing the bracket, rotors, or hat! Also, do you want to have that same brembo kit as the civic running next to you?

As for negative benefits of BBK, yea... if your bbk is oversized and not designed for your car. You'll run into brake pressure issues. But consider this: This AP kit was developed and tested specifically for the maxima and its master brake cylinder. The piston size, the fluid it takes up, and the stock brake pressure were all accounted for. Most negative issues deal with an imbalance of brake pressure being applied front and rear, which can easily be solved with a valve to distribute brake pressure.

And still if your a non-believer, try driving a maxima with a regular full brake upgrade (ss lines, F/R rotors) and then drive a maxima with this setup and do the same stops with same rim/tire combo. All I gotta say is stopping from 40 mph with 10 ft at the stop sign is priceless

Oh, and the kit itself:
1. AP racing 4 piston Aluminum caliper with Aluminum pistons
2. 13.1 inch cadmium plated x-drilled/slotted rotors
3. cadmium plated hat with stainless steel bolts & nuts, zinc plated washers
4. Anodized brackets
5. Brembo rear calipers
6. Goodridge stainless lines all around
7. PBC rear pads, Hawk HPS front pads

Front calipers and rotors weigh considerably less than the stock one piston caliper and 10.3 inch rotor
Old Jul 4, 2004 | 10:41 PM
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How are those Hawk pads? I have an AP Racing BBK 4 piston setup and the pads they sent me are the pits. They are real squeaky and they put out egregious amounts of dust which gets all over my wheels and doors...
Old Jul 4, 2004 | 11:08 PM
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It looks like a really nice set of hardware, but is there really a market for $3200 worth of brakes on a family sedan?
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Originally Posted by Weasel
It looks like a really nice set of hardware, but is there really a market for $3200 worth of brakes on a family sedan?
check out my SSBC BBK for less than $1000 on my cardomain site... more than enough for me... but for those of you wanting 4 or more pistons, these look great...
Old Jul 5, 2004 | 01:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Larrio
advantages:
1. cadmium plated rotor hats
2. stainless bolts all around
3. cadmium/zinc plated front and rear rotors
4. rotors have larger surface gaps (veins) which allows for greater cooler while still maintaining the thickness for continuous braking.
5. Formula 1 race proven AP technology

AP racing do not sponsor nor send out free brake kits like brembo to race teams. Yet Formula race teams and even Nascar and the most bada$$ European companies go out of their way to buy AP brakes and products. What does that tell you? Take a look at a AP catalog and you'll be blown away. AP deals exclusively with race brake technology. AP heat cycles their rotors, offers a plethora of rotor types with different veins and drill designs. It is more of a race caliper designed to fit a road car than just a "kit" taken off a shelf that fits your car. AP racing designs are to such exact measurements they offer different spec calipers and rotors that you can upgrade to your existing setup. For example this current setup allows a 6 piston upgrade without changing the bracket, rotors, or hat! Also, do you want to have that same brembo kit as the civic running next to you?

As for negative benefits of BBK, yea... if your bbk is oversized and not designed for your car. You'll run into brake pressure issues. But consider this: This AP kit was developed and tested specifically for the maxima and its master brake cylinder. The piston size, the fluid it takes up, and the stock brake pressure were all accounted for. Most negative issues deal with an imbalance of brake pressure being applied front and rear, which can easily be solved with a valve to distribute brake pressure.

And still if your a non-believer, try driving a maxima with a regular full brake upgrade (ss lines, F/R rotors) and then drive a maxima with this setup and do the same stops with same rim/tire combo. All I gotta say is stopping from 40 mph with 10 ft at the stop sign is priceless

Oh, and the kit itself:
1. AP racing 4 piston Aluminum caliper with Aluminum pistons
2. 13.1 inch cadmium plated x-drilled/slotted rotors
3. cadmium plated hat with stainless steel bolts & nuts, zinc plated washers
4. Anodized brackets
5. Brembo rear calipers
6. Goodridge stainless lines all around
7. PBC rear pads, Hawk HPS front pads

Front calipers and rotors weigh considerably less than the stock one piston caliper and 10.3 inch rotor



Alright larry, im sold. You mention BREMBO rear calipers?!?!? whtas that about?
Old Jul 5, 2004 | 01:46 AM
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also, ballpark $$ figure so i can save for the 6 piston kit.
Old Jul 5, 2004 | 08:18 AM
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what's different from these from the stillen BBK. any chances of clearing stock 17's.
Old Jul 5, 2004 | 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted by 1FSTMAX
Price is $3,200 and is a bolt-on affair. Contact slammed95 to pick up your set today!
Nice but not worth the $$$; these things are more than twice what I paid for my kit with 13" two-piece, cad-plated rotors, anodized aluminum hats & forged four-piston calipers -which is more than u need for street use and when u are not replacing the rear calipers..

To each his own...

BTW, when u said 'Brembo rear caliper' did you mean to say 'Brembo rear rotors?'
If you indeed meant 'caliper', what did you do with the emergency/parking brake?
Old Jul 5, 2004 | 09:31 AM
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i dont care how good they are 3K is 2 much money.
Old Jul 5, 2004 | 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by PhxBlue
How are those Hawk pads? I have an AP Racing BBK 4 piston setup and the pads they sent me are the pits. They are real squeaky and they put out egregious amounts of dust which gets all over my wheels and doors...
they are hawk pads cause they say "HAWK" on the back of the pad. Mine are really quiet and haven't really dusted all that much yet.

oh, and yes that is a typo... brembo rear rotors not calipers.
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You misunderstood me. I meant "how are they in performance and driveability" not "how do you know if they are hawk".
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Originally Posted by PhxBlue
You misunderstood me. I meant "how are they in performance and driveability" not "how do you know if they are hawk".
Old Jul 5, 2004 | 11:36 AM
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Wow..............If I could only afford it......

BTW, dont hate on it, just because it's not in your budget. Im sure its worth every penny. Might be overkill for some of you guys' cars, but its still a quality product.
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Originally Posted by PhxBlue
You misunderstood me. I meant "how are they in performance and driveability" not "how do you know if they are hawk".
oh, haha... i reread your post. Hawk pads are great and extremely quiet. They groan in the morning when i'm parking on hills. My rear axxis pads are louder
Old Jul 5, 2004 | 01:18 PM
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Damn those are off the heezy fo' sheezy!
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What makes these different from the stillen ones.
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cheaper than a trip to the body shop? Maybe true, but a good driver knows his car's limits and knows how far to push his factory brakes. Giving someone more powerful brakes has little to do with keeping him out of an accident if he's a bad driver or doesn't know his car's limits....

I'm sure $3k is a fine expense for those who either show or "REALLY" race (not just 1/4 miles) their cars, but for the normal spirited driver seems a bit excessive. $3K gets you a S/C, which is much more fun

Just my opinion, seems these BBKs are getting excessively expensive. I mean, how much does this particular BBK actually cost to MAKE? $500, $750.....?

But they do look damn nice and there's always some people who have $$ burning a hole in their pockets and will get em, so best of luck to you...
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Originally Posted by irish44j
knows his car's limits,,, and knows how far to push his factory brakes.
i agree with what irish posted. but dude,,men are not the only ones with MAX's...
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yeah yeah....I know....but its so much more effort to type "his/her", and you know what I meant! Since when is the org P.C.?
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dude, how about someone make us a REAR BBK

=P our stock rear brakes suck.
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Originally Posted by Chinkzilla
dude, how about someone make us a REAR BBK

=P our stock rear brakes suck.
Matt Blehm is working on it. (BlehmCo rear BBK)
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Originally Posted by irish44j
yeah yeah....I know....but its so much more effort to type "his/her", and you know what I meant! Since when is the org P.C.?
Besides that, I thought I learned from highschool english that you are supposed to pick a gender when speaking as such, rather than say "his/her" all the time. I'm pretty sure I got nailed for doing that on a couple papers back in the day.
Old Jul 6, 2004 | 08:04 AM
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this is a nice brake kit.. you guys should seriously consider this...
slammed95 is very experienced in brakes and he knows what he's dealing with...and what he's talking about..
Old Jul 6, 2004 | 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted by irish44j
cheaper than a trip to the body shop? Maybe true, but a good driver knows his car's limits and knows how far to push his factory brakes. Giving someone more powerful brakes has little to do with keeping him out of an accident if he's a bad driver or doesn't know his car's limits....
First off, how many "good" drivers do you think there is on the org? Giving someone powerful brakes has in more consideration with two things:
1. you trying to stop in time when your going too fast
2. you trying to avoid other "bad" drivers out there
Yes, a "good" driver knows the limits of his car but he cannot control the bad judgement or skill or others. Ever try stopping this 3200 lb car with puny 10.3 inch one piston brakes when someone cuts in front of you?

Originally Posted by irish44j
I'm sure $3k is a fine expense for those who either show or "REALLY" race (not just 1/4 miles) their cars, but for the normal spirited driver seems a bit excessive. $3K gets you a S/C, which is much more fun
I consider this more of a safety precaution. Good brakes and good tires stop your car in time. A used SC with all the goodies will run you way above $3K. Nissan never bothered to upgrade our brakes since 95-01 despite the car getting heavier. The stock stuff on this car is just plain dangerous IMO.

Originally Posted by irish44j
Just my opinion, seems these BBKs are getting excessively expensive. I mean, how much does this particular BBK actually cost to MAKE? $500, $750.....?
Quality BBK's are always expensive considering the type of parts used and the engineering behind them. BBK's for other European cars run upwards of $10K+ easily for relatively same sizes. The maxima is a $30K car (brand new, fully loaded), easily within range of competiting with BMW's and Benz. But alot of times we act like our cars are like civic prices, which means no companies would want to make anything for us. $500 would not get you one front aluminum caliper from AP racing. If you do some quick calculations, one pair of two piece rotors $850 + one pair of aluminum calipers $1400 + pads/bolts/nuts/lines $250 + rear rotors $110 + cadmium plated brackets, rotors, hats $350 = $2960 without tax $3204.20 with tax. Not accounting for design, engineering, labor to piece and build the kit, etc.

As for the differences between this and the stillen kit, it is mentioned in p.1. Cadmium plated everything for stronger chemical/corrosion resistance. Aircraft grade ss bolts and nuts. And options to run a larger/beefier rotors or 6 piston calilper completely bolt on. And try not buying something direct from stillen... you'll find out the hard way when something breaks and your name isn't in the system. Which means if you buy from a distributor (SWA, Avalon), your name won't be in the system.
Old Jul 6, 2004 | 08:50 AM
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Those look really nice! But even with my low budget 300z calipers and 1-piece 13 cobra rotors, the front bias is way too much. So I upgraded my rear rotors by 1" inch. It's better now.

As far as I know, you CAN adjust the fr/rear bias with something like a Tilton bias unit. But AFAIK, it doesn't increase the rear bias, it decreases the front bias. I believe it has to work this way because the bias is intergrated into the master cylinder so you can't do anything to increase the amount of braking going to the rears. Only decrease the amount going to the fronts.
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I see the haterade flows deep still in the cheap-o Org......
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Originally Posted by kloogy
I see the haterade flows deep still in the cheap-o Org......
Lol...

Kloogy => Always cracks me up...

Like I said earlier, my SSBC BBK cost less than $1000 and is pretty great!
Old Jul 7, 2004 | 11:34 PM
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Yeah Roy, but if you're pushing 400 HP , as I know you will, you wont to make yourself a hood ornament,......ask Tony !
Old Jul 8, 2004 | 07:27 AM
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Originally Posted by kloogy
I see the haterade flows deep still in the cheap-o Org......
Old Jul 8, 2004 | 08:42 AM
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Originally Posted by kloogy
I see the haterade flows deep still in the cheap-o Org......
ssr turbo kit is also a good example

its fine, the ones that really wanna build up cars will just have to put out more $$ for custom projects or personal developments. i.e. Blehmco stuff and SR20DEN secret sauce IM
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My Precision/Wilwood BBK works great too, but it's nothing like this TET kit. Even though I don't have the cheese, t's still awesome!



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