Isnt an O2 sensor supposed to be coverd by Emissions warranty? ii really want the new ECM code, but i hate to have to shell out $330 to the stealer. any thoughts.

 

No, 02-sensors aren't covered under the emissions warranty, however the ECU reprogram is.

Replace the 02 yourself, buy from DAVEB and install, and then take the receipt and go to the dealer for the reprogram.

 

It's a *SCAM* that Nissan pulls to get YOU to pay for something, so they don't just do the reprogramming for FREE.

 

thanks,

my freakin emiision warranty just expired on 2/22. This just sucks!!!!

 

Call Nissan, they might give you that being so close.

 

Why do you need the ecu reprogrammed?

 

its part of the fix for the O2 sensor SES light (P0138)

 

It's either that or put a new ypipe/precat on every couple years.

The ECU tolerance is too tight and as the precats age, they lose the oxygen storage capacity/shift time the ECU is looking for so it throws the CEL.

 

there is a bulletin for this repair P0138, P0139

the repair is covered in full (sensors and reprogram) to 8/80

because the pfp used in the bulletin is the ecm, nissan will pay for the entire repair.

if you are less than 80k miles it shouldn't cost you a penny.

hope this helps

Caanan

 

is tehre any documentation that states this specifcally? my dealer was not budging on covering this, I'm still at 47k miles

 

Yes, here it is...http://maxima.theowensfamily.com/tsb/NTB02-051a.pdf

However, 02 sensors are NOT covered per most dealers people have dealt with: http://forums.maxima.org/showthread....highlight=0420.

 

so if i approach them with this pdf ( i saw this before going to the dealer) are they going to agree to cover it if i point out the PFP Claim information?

 

It really depends on the dealer....

I'd print it out and copy your owners manual page that describes YOUR states' emission warranty and see what happens.

If they don't, call Nissan hotline and report it to see *IF* it does any good.

You could get "lucky".

 

im gonna give this a shot tommorow. I'll report back if I get any success. Thanks

 

I get a 0138 when I rev the engine up to 6k a couple times while driving excessively, but then the SES light just resets by it self after about 100 miles of driving normaly. damn heated 02 sensors....ugh why dont they just explode

 

Hi Kevin,

Did you have any luck ? I took mine (45K miles) to the dealer just to know they would charge me 330 dls plus 80 dls for the diagnostic, I asked them for an specific report but it doesn't show what code(s) came out. So it's kind of difficult to know if the TSB applies or not.
Please let me know how it went, I might call Nissan as well.

 

have not tried yet. i'm gonna push for the ECM reprogram to be cover b/c its stated in my warrantly booklet. I can change the O2 sensor myself, but getting them to do the reprogram is antoher story. i am thinking even with a new 02 sensor and no re-programm i should be ok.

 

dam i just got the same code pulled on my 01 i got 38k miles, its a P0139, what is it? my SES light turned off suddenly, and the guy at auozone didnt turn it off, it just turned off. but is it important or should i not worry about it? my dad told me his ses light comes on in his pathfinder alot(2001) and dont worry about it, but i dont wanna listen to em... i wanna see if its a problem?

 

sorry i didn't post a reply sooner - i have been away.

anyways, i am a service manager at a large nissan dealership, and i can tell you without question that the entire repair is covered to 8/80. i submit claims for the full amount regularly (and nissan pays in full every time).

if your dealership has any issues with this they can call the warranty hotline for verification. beyond that you can always call CA and have them look into it for you (they are meant to be your advocates).

where are you located?

if you are in the boston area you can always bring the car to me if you want.

again sorry for not getting back to you sooner.

Caanan

 

i am in nj i have had no luck getting this coverd by my dealer so far, id be willing to drive up if you could do this for me

or maybe give me some tips on how i can convince them to cover this ?

 

I've got same issue, I just called my dealer and they told me sensors were not covered anymore since they are part of the basic warranty (3 Years/36K). I just checked the warranty and indeed the sensors are listed on the basic warranty

They said the TSB was not covered for the Emisions warranty as well. Basically the guy said I should call Nissan if wanted to verify it.

I'm just waiting to get the detailed report by Fax to see the code(s), when I took the car in they just wrote down "B1 S1 O2 SENSOR BAD"....and they charged me 80 dls for that ????

Any advice ????

 

B1 S1 O2 sensor is a front oxygen sensor - so the bulletin for sensors and a reprogram would not apply to this situation (bulletin is for rear).


i am at work now and will look through my paperwork to see if i have anything that would be of use to you guys.


Caanan

 

I see, so I might be on my own on this one. I really apreciate the time you're spending trying to help us.
I guess once I get the report with the codes I will be able to verify if it's listed on any of the TSB's.

peace !

 

I threw an SES light on friday i took it to the dealership and they replaced two 02 sensors and ecu reprogram for me for free...

 

well - i went through all of my stuff and i can't find anything that spells this out in black and white. i also called nissan to see if they had anything they could forward to me that may outline this, they didn't have anything either.

i did however explain the situation to Sean at the Claims Call Center - he agreed with me that because the pfp is covered to 8/80 the entire repair would be covered as well.

he stated that if the dealership(s) in question had any problems/concerns with this they should call in for confirmation.

sorry i couldn't find anything in writing, but i just find it hard to believe that some of you have been getting screwed out of your hard earned money over something so basic.

as a side note (and you didn't hear it from me) - nissan will reimburse you for any repairs that you shelled out for that should have been covered under warranty. they would just need proof of ownership, repair, and payment.

again - you didn't hear that from me.

hope everything works out well for everyone!

 

my dealer just told me that PFP (ECM) is only covered in 8/80 if they have to replace it, not for re-programming it. I think its a load of BS. He demanded that i get a name and number from a person on Nissan USA that he could call. he said the only way to cover the repair would be under good will and I give him a name and direct number of someone to call to verify.

 

Just ground a few of the pins or short the motor mount to kill the ECU, if the dealer wants to play that way.

 

i if had an extra car and didn't use this one daily.....

 

also is the ECU and ECM two different components?

 

Engine Control Module = Engine Control Unit = same thing


reprograms are certainly covered - if the primary failed part number for a reprogram is the ecm number, then what kind of sense does it make not to cover it?

i am still having a hard time believing how ignorant of the warranty these dealers are. no wonder people hate their dealerships!

this isn't exactly a warranty grey area - it's pretty clear cut - just tell them to call nissan or their DPSM for support.

 

i seriously want to drive up to your dealership and take it there. i cant belive the kind of Bs i'm getting for this.

also are Cali-Spec cars differnet in terms of emiisions warranty?

 

yes - on cal spec vehicles there are a number of components that are covered to 7/70 (i can give you a list if you need).

however the ecm and cat. convertor are federally mandated to 8/80 on ALL VEHICLES regardless of emissions status.

i seriously wish you were closer so i could work on the car. to tell you the truth: 2 oxygen sensors and a reprogram isn't a bad ticket under warranty - we'd make about $200 profit on the repair from nissan.

 

nissan keeps telling my the 3/50k is the warranty for my emissions systems. anyway i'd appreciate if you could give me a list of 7/70 stuff. i think my car i Cali spec based on what they said about the 3/yr 50k emissions warranty.

i wonder why they are so pushy if they make their money regardless. i dont get it. thanks for all your input.

 

sure

7 year / 70,000 cali emissions extended coverage (this list is for 2002 only)

flywheel (m/t)
driveplate (a/t)
intake manifold
exhaust manifold (rear only)
intake manifold collector
throttle body
fuel tank
front exhaust tube w/ convertor *
catalytic convertor *
air flow meter
ECM *
EGI/ECCS harness
a/t control module

* - these components also carry 8/80 coverage which supercedes the 7/70

if you want you can pm me your vin and i'll check to see if it is cal emissions for you.

Caanan

 

I just had to pay $480.00 to have my O2 sensor replaced and the reprogramming done. I brought up the fact that I thought this fell under the 8/80 emissions warranty and that there was a TSB issued on this but I was told that sensors were not covered under that. So I said isn't it actually the ecu that failed here??? Needless to say I ended up paying it cause I was really starting to get pissed off and felt it would be better if I left. This was at Boulder Nissan in Boulder, CO.

 

does the car drive better after this work? wondering if hte ECM reprgram helped with drivability andd what not.

 

It does seem to be a little more responsive but not like WOW. Gas mileage is also slightly better.

 

Dinlong,
I need clarification here. I also received the SES a couple of days ago. Dealer ran diagnostic and printed the results for me. It reads like this...... HO2S2 (B1) [P1147] Time =4 and HO2S2(B1) [P0139] Time =1t. They said it was the rear o2 sensor bank. My Max is an 02 that fell out of warranty three weeks ago.....sucks! Hit the three year mark first...only 33700 miles on it. Dealer quoted me $416.50 to fix it. $179.00 for the part and 237.50 for labor. This is insane to me. Would this possibly be covered by the 8/80 in Illinois according to the bulletin? I want to go into the dealer with my guns loaded before I start raising hell about this. Thanks in advance for your time.

 

i replied to your pm - but i'll recap for anyone else with questions.

your best bet in this situation is to call 800-NISSAN1 and open up a CA file. reference bulletin NTB02-051a, and explain your situation to them. if they don't give you the right answer or are unsure of the answer, just ask them to call up warranty about the issue (warranty knows this stuff cold).

when you do call CA try to be as polite and friendly as possible, as these people are there to be your advocates, and having an attitude may just keep them from truly helping you. also keep in mind that they don't usually know all the ins-and-outs of the warranty, so an answer like "sensors are only 3/36" wouldn't be too surprising. just ask them to call warranty (because in this case they are wrong).

presenting yourself in a good light at the dealership is also a good idea, as from a legal standpoint the dealership isn't required to work on your vehicle. the warranty obligation all lands directly on nissan - the dealership is just the middle man. abusive/rude/undesirable customers receive as little help from us as possible.

also according to the bulletin: even though your car only has a code for 1 rear o2 sensor, both should still be replaced. so: you need 2 rear o2 sensors and a reprogram, and it shouldn't cost you anything.

hope this helps

Caanan

 

In 2002 my 00 with 37k threw a code for the rear O2 sensor. Neither local nissan dealership would cover everything. A new O2 sensor was $85ish. I replaced it myself and then just unplugged the battery. The CEL has not come on since (car now at 80k).

It's unlikely you'll get nissan to cover any of this. If you cannot, please don't pay $335 for this service, though if you insist on getting an ECU reprogram, you're gonna get bent over a barrel one way or the other.