I finally decided to upgrade to the big boys and started to learn how to heel-toe. The only problem is, my instructor said the Maxima's brake pedal is too high/far from the gas pedal and suggested aftermarket pedal sets....he showed me his but he only added the gas pedal and left the clutch and brake pedal stock....he drives an MR2 btw....

so what pedal sets are all of you running? how would u rate them on a scale of 1 to 10? this is concerning the ease of heel-toe with the pedals on....not how cool they look...or cheap they are etc...etc.....oh yeah and where did you buy them from and how much?

thank you!

 

This is a pretty subjective question since it has largely to do with personal preference. I have MOMO pedals and purposely went for the cheapest ones I could find. I only replaced my throttle and brake pedals. The other thing that I noticed is that you can bend the throttle pedal over toward the brake pedal quite a bit.

And now the shocker... Many people debate that heel and toeing is not the best technique and, that in some cases, it's actually slower. Rev matching yes. Heel toe, not necessarily.

 

Ditto on the 'bending the throttle'..I too have moved it over just a tad closer to the brake -abouta half-inch at most.

The proper technique for heel & toeing calls for heel of foot on brake and tip of foot on throttle -that's completely unachievable on a Max and indeed, yor are forced to the opposite: toes on brakes, rotate heel counterclockwise & blip throttle with heel of foot -not the desired or best technique & certainly more difficult to match shifts

Now, Nissan SER, where in the ****ens did you hear that!!?? There is NO WAY that removing your foot from the brake to blip the throttle to match revs and then returning foot to the brake is going to be faster than using the proper heel and toe technique -at least on a normal tranny.

Some of the SMGs and other 'computer-aided' gearboxes will automaticaly match revs (blip throttles) on downshifts but on regular trannys?? No way you can get by without heel and toeing, moreso on slippy stuff.

In 1976 I placed third overall in my state's SCCA Rally Championship, driving a moderately modified Datsun 510 and one of the first mods we did before we even took the car to a rally for the first time was a complete repositioning of the brake pedal assembly, closer to the throttle and lower to the floor pan & also extending the throttle pedal higher so I could heel and toe correctly & comfortably.

BTW, we were the only locals to beat John Buffum on one special stage -that was a treat. Any old timer rallyists on this board will know who Jihn Buffum was...

 

yes....where in the world did u hear such a thing? heel-toe is the best technique out there.....people see it as the rev-matching while braking....

this technique allows u to reach maximum speed before entering a corner, then brake while rev matching to the correct speed of that corner, then exiting very quickly while in the car's powerband......simply rev matching will not allow you to do this.....if you enter in a corner then just rev match without braking.....you will understeer....becuz your going into that corner too fast without using the brakes

 

bottom line... we have front wheel drive.

so while we will corner efficiently... heel toe is not as effective in max's as it is in say an Mr2. good luck though... i heel toe almost unconsciously on 'spirited' corners. just wish we had rwd.

 

There are plenty of people that don't heel and toe to rev match. It's hard to describe and is better seen but here goes.

Hit brakes before entering the corner
Once some of the speed is scrubbed off press in clutch (other foot is still on brake)
Shift to the gear that you'll use to power out of the corner
Let off brake
Do the equivalent of a clutch start from a stop but into your exit gear

Like I said - hard to describe. It all just takes a few fractions fo a second and if done quickly enough you can catch the revs on the way down for the previous gear.

This assumes that you are not engine braking or trail braking.

Bah! I'm not doing this any justice! You really would have to see it.

 

I agree. My method you do after you are done using the brake...

 

"Do the equivalent of a clutch start from a stop but into your exit gear.."

in this step...do you blip the throttle and let out the clutch as if you were going to launch off from a stoplight?...just like normal city driving style?

if the answer is yes...then I totally understand where your coming from....I have done this before....but never mastered it....becuz it's not real heel-toe....and heel-toe is as real as u can get it....matching the revs correctly while braking so u don't drive into the wall at the corner....

anyway I appreciate your input on this....I would like to know where you got your MOMO's from? if online can I have the link to it?

anyone else know any other good pedals? I remember reading some guy named Vqdriver buying sparco pedals and sayin it was damn easy to heel-toe in those?