For research reasons, Thanks.

 

I was one of them. It was fun for a little while but then I got tired of the sound and really missed the low end torque.
To be honest with you i'm not even sure if I felt any improvement with it.

 

I am glad I didn't buy one then.

 

someone on ebay just sold it here is link:
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI...item=588202300

final sale price was $94 bucks plus s/h

was it you selling?

 

I'm not trying to start a debate here, but chances are if you get an intake you'll want it to improve speed with an exhaust/ypipe. I didn't notice much with the intake itself, but I liked the sound. Now with the intake/ypipe/exhaust I would say it helps considerably. Food for thought.
-hype

 

Also any "low end torque" loss that you feel is NOT from the intake...it's all in your head. I can actually start in second gear easier at lower RPMs than when I was stock. If that's not low end torque, I don't know what is. I also completely agree with xhypex

 

honestly, I couldn't feel anything on my butt dyno.

I did notice the loss in low end on my '96 Auto GXE, BUT do not notice the loss on the bottom end on my '97 5sp SE. I do think that it helps a little on the top end as the time it takes for me to get from 120-130mph seems to be slightly better. Could be my imagination too.

-V

 

Well, don't forget my car is auto and your is 5-speed, there's a difference in response to this intake.
When I put the stock air box in I was able to pull of the line much quicker than with the intake.
Another reason I sold it is sound. Why would i want to get y-pipes and cat backs when I like quiet ride?
Food for thought as well.

 

All your inputs are good but I am looking for the person or people that went back to the stock box and they're reasons why. Please lets stick to the subject and not debate what gives you speed and what doesn't.

Thank you.

 

i felt a big change with my CAI.. but again i am 5spd owner

 

i went back to the stock box and am happier overall... i also got tired of the sound (it also attracts the cops) im getting better gas mileage (i dont wind it out to listen to the VQ anymore) and my low end is back. However high end i think suffers now. Still i feel the car seems more solid with the stock box and the OSCAI which i now have.... then again i have an auto. just my .02

--RY--

 

=D

i put in my stock air box and i am so happy!! city driving is sooo fun again!

 

No, not me.

 

Thanks guys. The reason I am asking is because of the same reasons Bill, Shing and Jeff have been doing all of there test with there oil to find out is it worth changing every 3000 miles.

Now I say, is it worth messing around with the Pop Chargers when the only difference you feel is less power at the low end? I think low end power is critical even if you don't have a lot up top. If you are dragging, does anyone agree that the quicker you get out of the hole, the more of a chance you have on winning the race?

I am not trying to change anyone's mind about buying or owning a Pop charger but is it really doing what you expected?

 

well, i think on the street, bottom end makes the car feel quicker in everyday driving because you you pass the lower rpm more. on the track, top end works to your favor.

with the 5sp, you're really traction limited off the line anyway, so top end is where you want it where you're not traction limited. however, i have yet to prove this at the track.

tough call with the auto... i used to try both with my auto gxe, i think i ran pretty similar times, with maybe a nudge to running with the stock filter/air box.

-V

 

Sounds believable.

 

what if u put in a stillen intake, do u still lose low end?

 

What some of the guys are compliaining about is having to push the accelerator more to comensate for the loss of low and torque with the Pop Charges and I would guess all of them. Some people say they didn't notice any gains from it except the noise.

 

I seem to feel it top end, but the lower rev range feels wekaer, definitely. The car feels like it has turbo lag now.

 

i dont have a popcharger but i just wanted to say that, when i had to take off my CAI for a check up at the dealer. iwas reminded of the smootch quiet VQ. i loved the quietness the stock airbox had. acceleration was smooth and almost felt faster. but on top, i like how the intake sounds when downshifting on the freeway.

 

Thanks.

 

So, what seems to be the consensus is that the JWT/POP reduces low-end power on autos? But it's fine with 5-spds?

I just picked up a '97 5-speed and just ordered the JWT POP from Courtesy. Heck.. I thought it wouldn't change the sound at all. What does it do to the sound?

How does changing just the intake with stock exhaust change the sound?

 

You don't hear the intake under about 3K unless you have the hood up, then you hear a low vacuum lke sound. Above 3K, it sounds like the way GM 3.1L during the mid 90"s did, a cool sounding burbling sound. How? There is no baffling to suppress your intake's sound.

 

I just got my JWT pop charger in today. I love the sound. I wasted about 1/2 a tank of gas reving it up and kicking it down the streets.

 

It's like when you drive a turbo, you always get on it just to feel it. Thats why I went with normal aspiration.

 

I had a question about a pop-charger. So did other Max owners. Here's an older thread. Hopefully this helps.

 

Ok, got the JWT POP charger and installed it.. WOW!

I don't know if it's just me or what but I seem to get some real reasonable action out of it. I can hear it pretty loud when I put the peddle down starting at about 2500 RPM on up to about 5k RPM. Sounds pretty good. It's not outrageously loud but it's quite noticable when tromping on the gas.

Normal driving and you don't hear it at all. As for the power, seems to have more kick even at low RPM. Then again, I have a '97 SE 5-speed.

Installation was easy. Only thing to figure out was where to put the stabilizer bracket. The bracket required a little bit of bending to fit properly. All in all, a simple install with reasonable results. Also, the air duct/tunnel that used to feed into the bottom of the airbox now feeds into the engine compartment and just under the POP charger. I guess that's not too bad for pushing some more cool air around the POP charger.

 

I ran the stock intake but installed the Cattman Y, RT cat, cat-back and 22k muffler. I felt gains w/ the hp. I then put on the 17x8 wheels/tires. Now I felt a slight hesitation at take off and a slight hesitation when accelerating. I then put on the JWT cone. I immediately got my low end back and of course some high end. No more hesitations. I think the stock intake was becoming the limiting factor after all the exhaust mods. The big wheels magnified that effect(I think)

If you add the intake by itself, it might not do much. But if you have other mods(ie.. exhaust), the need for better intake breathing(cai, cone, oscai etc.) becomes more important. IMHO.

 

Low end torque? My car is still jumpy at low rpms .. not sure if i felt a diff on top-end, cuz my car was stalling back then. Stupid throttle body..

But i def didnt lose low end, far as I can tell.