Ok, here goes....I was driving last night and I came across a Honda Civic hatch back that was revvin at me. We ended up racing three different times with the same outcome. We were stopped at a red light revving up waiting for the green. When the light changed we both took off. After a lot of tire spinning, I pulled out ahead. I was getting great launches and got about a car on him each time. He caught up pretty well though. He was playing catch up all the way. He peeled hard in second gear when I didn't peel at all (crap clutch). Anyway He was slowly gaining on me through second and was right on my bumper when I hit third. At the top of third gear he was at my front door. Shifted to fourth and he was right next to me. He hit the brakes hard I assume because we were going over 100. He always quit before he pulled ahead of me. I asked him what he had after the second race and he said a B16A engine swap. He was very reluctant to give away any other info though. I don't see what the big secret is!? I know he had an exhaust and probably a lot of other mods. That car hauled *****. I was always ahead of him at the launch and he would just gain on me, but never passed me. That's why I say I won. If we wold have raced from a rolling start he probably would have beat me though. Those little cars are so light and that engine has so much potential. That thing revved forever! It was quite fun. Also raced a stock civic, but that was nothing to brag about. Man I need a new clutch and a supercharger.

 

Is there a B16b engine? What comes original on the Civic? Do you know if the civic will take a B18?

 

yes, theres a B16B engine, its from the civic type R. a number of different engines come in civics... hatchbacks had various D series engines stock, all single cam, some VTEC, some not. yes a B18B will fit in a civic with no problem (assuming its 5th or 6th gen). it will fit in a 4th gen with a motor mount kit and a little coaxing.

 

my honda days were ended quite abruptly by drunk drivers... 1 civic totalled... then another a year later. after that i knew i wanted a larger car, and it had to be faster than my civics and a 5 speed, and not american... that basically left only the maxima and BMW M3 or M5, or the S4, and some other really expensive cars. (which i cant afford being a college student). thus the maxima was the only logical choice.

 

B16a is out of a Del Sol VTEC, correct? I always forget which Honda engine came from where...

Thanks.

 

He probably had every single bolt on he could possibly get on that thing.But you won!

 

Yeah, the B16A3 (Del Sol VTEC) and A2 (99-00 Civic Si) are american models. Without the numerical suffix, it is a japanese-spec engine. According to manufacturer's specs, these can range from 160 (1988-1991) to 170 (1992- ) horsepower. The specs on the before-mentioned B16B are 185hp, with a redline around 9000 RPMs; the 16A is 8300. Any B-series motor will bolt into a 5th- or 6th-gen civic (92-2000). Other B-series motors: B17A (VTEC 1990-1993 Integra GS-R; 150hp), B18A (1990-1993 Integra LS/GS/RS 140HP), B18B (1994-2001 Integra LS/GS/RS; 150HP), B18C1 (VTEC 1994-2001 Integra GS-R; 170HP), B18C5 (VTEC 1998-2001 Integra Type R; 195HP), B20B (1996-1998 CRV; 140hp), and B20Z (1999-2001 CRV; 145hp). Hope that helps. I think the CRV's HP numbers are wrong, but close.

 

I was thinking of buying an accord and doing the same swap. When I heard that the specs, at least the size of the two engines were identical, the wheels started spinning. I probably still would like to try it.

 

The ultimate honda swap is to take a Civic HB and put the Prelude motor in it.(OR BUY AN SE-R)No hondas.

 

I'll give you an A for that research! Now, has anybody heard of the Accord V6 getting a CL-S engine?

 

Ive heard that a prelude swap is impractical for the civic/integra chassis. Sure it comes with 195-220hp out of the box, but the weight increase makes the car too nose-heavy. Plus it makes too much wheelspin for racing, so its better to leave it in Preludes and J-spec Accords/Acura TL/CL's. And no i havent heard of swapping a cl/tl type S engine into an accord, and thats for a very good reason. Take out the leather interior and the heated seats, and the Acura becomes an accord. So basically, it wouldnt be worth the effort. And im not about to start with the SE-R. Its a nice enough car, but it should have come turbocharged (like every other SR20DE is in the world. Stock, depending on year, from 200 to 270hp). Now if you want something to compete against the US-spec SR20DE, try a CRV's B20 block with a VTEC head, and that dropped into a civic hb. Now THAT would be some competition on a road coarse. The real downside with the Honda 2.0l is its low redline due to a larger crank (less rotating mass=higher possible RPMs), so most guys still prefer the higher-revving B16. Also, those that stick with the single-cam VTEC motors (D16Z6 or D16Y1 depending on the year) usually drop in a 1.5l crank, so the motor will be happy at 9000+ RPMs.

 

There is a company here in So.Cal that does the Prelude/Civic swap.It is called El Prodotype.

 

Some guy on superhonda.org did a 3.0 V6 to H22A conversion recently... don't understand it myself but creativity is always fun.

 

The advantage of an H22A swap from a v-6 is simple: honda's "standard" v-6 (non-NSX or Type S) engine is pretty dull, to say the least. It makes plenty of torque (for pulling boats or whatever), but isnt much on the HP scale, plus it doesnt rev well, so its fun-factor is pretty low. However, I would be more likely to use the F22A (4-cyl Accord) to H22A swap, just cuz exhaust, ignition, and computer stuff is more set up to hold a 4-banger.
Yes I have heard of H22 swaps into Civics and Integras; the best kit for a swap is made by HASport, and Place Racing (a brand you might have heard of) makes a good kit too. I was just commenting on the inefficiency of such a setup. Oh yeah, and please respond to my thread titled "rice"...it got "moved" back a page. I dunno why.

 

Enough on the honda swaps.Lets talk about a 3rd gen VQ 5 speed swap.I bet it will run 14's stock.Because the 3rd gen.Body is lighter and the VE is heavier than the VQ plus the VQ puts out more torque and HP.And you also lose about 300lbs switching from the auto to a 5 speed.Man it will run high 14's bone stock.Probably looking at a 2800lb car with 227HP and what 217ft lbs of torque.I think it just might.And I know alot of people might doubt it can be done.But with the right amount of money anything can be acheived.

 

What engine is this again? What are the displacement, HP and tourque numbers for it?

The reason that I'm becoming interested is because My GF recently got a new CL and turned in her Integra GS. The tricky part is that I've been needing to sell my Max due to high payments and unemployment. Even more tricky is that I crashed the teg a couple of years ago, and we're just waiting for Honda to say "Hey, you owe us some more money on this trade" or "We don't want it, you need to buy it". If the latter is the case, then I'll buy the teg for me, and trick the **** out of it. In that case, which would be the best engine? I fugured Vteck and a turbo would be best.

 

a friend of mine has a hatch back (1992) with a b16a engine in it.. its a jap spec engine.. its loud as hell when he's on it.. its a big upgrade for that car.. it has 170hp now...
he also put a tranny from a civic from japan all for 2500.00

 

my friends is a jdm b16a

 

If I have to buy the Teg, I think I'll turn it into a little 12 sec sleeper