WARNING "They did it again"
WARNING "They did it again"
Someone stole pics of my car once again and put it on there site to sell body kit parts.
I emailed the website to remove them and they said NO.
Here is the email response I got:
Hello Gabriel
You should know that Federal Law of Canada say that each pictures shown to general public or over the internet doenst have any copyright. The only way you can give copyright to picture is by tagging them with a embed watermark by a digimark program. This cost approx $10 000 per year to get the digimark software and we scan each picture before putting them on the website, your pictures doenst have this watermark. We are not talking about layers OVER the pictures but watermark encrypted INSIDE the pictures, in the code.
You should also know that pictures on cardomain or any other public website are used for general public and they are free to be used by anyone at anytime for business purpose or personal purpose.
You should know, at first, that if you don't want the people or company to use your pictures, well simply don't show them to general public and keep them for yourself.
You should know also that there is a way to ask something and there is a way to earn something. If we get a polite email that ask us gently to remove pictures, we would do it within 5 minutes.. but the way you asked for it.. I will be more than happy to keep them on the website.
Have a nice day
(with a little icon of a baby sucking on a pacifier)
He did not even have the courage to sign his name.
What I find amusing is what do they tell there customers when they don't get it with the side vent?
Be sure to check and see if your car is there also.
Here is the link
and the picture from the site (NOT MINE ANY MORE, THEY CHANGED IT)
Don't do business with these dishonest people
I emailed the website to remove them and they said NO.
Here is the email response I got:
Hello Gabriel
You should know that Federal Law of Canada say that each pictures shown to general public or over the internet doenst have any copyright. The only way you can give copyright to picture is by tagging them with a embed watermark by a digimark program. This cost approx $10 000 per year to get the digimark software and we scan each picture before putting them on the website, your pictures doenst have this watermark. We are not talking about layers OVER the pictures but watermark encrypted INSIDE the pictures, in the code.
You should also know that pictures on cardomain or any other public website are used for general public and they are free to be used by anyone at anytime for business purpose or personal purpose.
You should know, at first, that if you don't want the people or company to use your pictures, well simply don't show them to general public and keep them for yourself.
You should know also that there is a way to ask something and there is a way to earn something. If we get a polite email that ask us gently to remove pictures, we would do it within 5 minutes.. but the way you asked for it.. I will be more than happy to keep them on the website.
Have a nice day
(with a little icon of a baby sucking on a pacifier)
He did not even have the courage to sign his name.
What I find amusing is what do they tell there customers when they don't get it with the side vent?
Be sure to check and see if your car is there also.
Here is the link
and the picture from the site (NOT MINE ANY MORE, THEY CHANGED IT)
Don't do business with these dishonest people
They would probably be exploited if it was me. Pizza would be ordered for 100 people every two weeks, and the other two weeks, there would be an exterminator from a different company everytime paying them a visit. They just wouldn't know where it came from, and possibly have to foot the bill for it.
Originally Posted by Deckdout2
They would probably be exploited if it was me. Pizza would be ordered for 100 people every two weeks, and the other two weeks, there would be an exterminator from a different company everytime paying them a visit. They just wouldn't know where it came from, and possibly have to foot the bill for it.
...seems fair....
What a *****. I just sent them an email too.
Just so you know the Maxima community is a tight knit group and we are on to you scrubbing pictures of their cars and posting them on your website. You ARE building up quite a bad reputation through out the Maxima community. If you use someone's picture and dont give credit, or ask then expect them to be mad. I would be too. You are only hurting yourself in the long run. Cheers!
Originally Posted by Jeff92se
Latin, how do you even find out that they were doing this?
That's BS. What an a-hole to say that he would have taken down the pics if you asked nicely. F that, he didn't ask nicely if he could copy them to his website. And he quotes Canadian Law??? You posted your pic in Texas, USA so I would guess that would be where the pic originated and that would supercede any Canadian law. Besides, Canada is full of a bunch of sissy, we should go up there and kick his sissy Canadian azz. 
Get a lawyer, is the a lawyer in the Org?
Get a lawyer, is the a lawyer in the Org?
Its probably not worth involving a lawyer. There is a border in between us. Good luck getting this guy to come to a US Court over a picture. Everyone should just send the webmaster emails. After he gets 10,000 or so maybe they will change the way they do things.
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Originally Posted by LatinMax
You should know also that there is a way to ask something and there is a way to earn something. If we get a polite email that ask us gently to remove pictures, we would do it within 5 minutes.. but the way you asked for it.. I will be more than happy to keep them on the website.
Now that your aware of the law, perhaps you'll think twice before posting pictures up on the internet. I don't see any harm done from somebody using your car (license blocked out) as a sample. Actually I'd consider it a compliment.
That may be true for canadian law,(I have no idea) but Im pretty sure that all media does not have to have a copyright written on the picture, as long as you can prove the picture is yours,(originals, negatives, scans, etc) the picture is automatically copyrighted and protected as yours.
Maybe someone with some more law experience could chime in here for him?
Maybe someone with some more law experience could chime in here for him?
Originally Posted by njmaxseltd
Now that your aware of the law, perhaps you'll think twice before posting pictures up on the internet. I don't see any harm done from somebody using your car (license blocked out) as a sample. Actually I'd consider it a compliment.
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Originally Posted by njmaxseltd
Why don't you show us your original email asking for the pictures to be removed?
Now that your aware of the law, perhaps you'll think twice before posting pictures up on the internet. I don't see any harm done from somebody using your car (license blocked out) as a sample. Actually I'd consider it a compliment.
Now that your aware of the law, perhaps you'll think twice before posting pictures up on the internet. I don't see any harm done from somebody using your car (license blocked out) as a sample. Actually I'd consider it a compliment.
"ON THE BOTTOM OF BUBBA IN A CELL"
Originally Posted by njmaxseltd
Why don't you show us your original email asking for the pictures to be removed?
Now that your aware of the law, perhaps you'll think twice before posting pictures up on the internet. I don't see any harm done from somebody using your car (license blocked out) as a sample. Actually I'd consider it a compliment.
Now that your aware of the law, perhaps you'll think twice before posting pictures up on the internet. I don't see any harm done from somebody using your car (license blocked out) as a sample. Actually I'd consider it a compliment.
latinmax: look up the us copyright office online and copy the appropriate bits of law into an email and send it to this moron. if he still refuses to remove your pictures... well, i'd let it go... but you have to take this step if you want to be taken seriously.
Originally Posted by mrose120
I might consider it a compliment, if I was asked and I agreed for a company to use pictures of my car to promote their sales. If they keep this up they will find themselves no where but on the bottom soon.
"ON THE BOTTOM OF BUBBA IN A CELL"
"ON THE BOTTOM OF BUBBA IN A CELL"
But they are making money of your picture, and you are not getting at least some type of percentage or the price of your picture.
Originally Posted by email
I'd like to let you know that you've lost another potential customer and everyone he can tell due to you ripping off other people's pictures and acting as if they're your own. I'm appalled at such conduct, and so is everyone else.
Enjoy putting your own watermark on other people's pictures... leech.
-Nathan
Enjoy putting your own watermark on other people's pictures... leech.
-Nathan
Originally Posted by njmaxseltd
Why don't you show us your original email asking for the pictures to be removed?
Now that your aware of the law, perhaps you'll think twice before posting pictures up on the internet. I don't see any harm done from somebody using your car (license blocked out) as a sample. Actually I'd consider it a compliment.
Now that your aware of the law, perhaps you'll think twice before posting pictures up on the internet. I don't see any harm done from somebody using your car (license blocked out) as a sample. Actually I'd consider it a compliment.
i agree, but at least give credit where credit is due. And the response from the guy on that site is so unprofessional. Ridiculous
oh, and directly from their homepage:
All content included on this site, such as text, graphics, logos, button icons, images, audio clips and software, is the property of Onderground-design. or its suppliers and protected by U.S, Canadian. and International copyright laws. Any unauthorized use of the materials appearing on this site may violate copyright, trademark and other applicable laws and could result in criminal or civil penalties. All software used on this site is the property of Onderground-Design or its software suppliers and protected by U.S., Canadian and international copyright laws and may not be reproduced, modified, distributed, transmitted, or republished.
Maybe there's a way we can send the two idiots that burned down Kings Nissan to work for this guy...
Although I personally wouldn't care if they stole my car pics for their site, I think it is in poor taste that they didn't ask first, even if they can legally do it. But...since I'm in a bad mood tonight, figured I'd write them an email anyhow.
Whoever wants to get on these guys, their email is: info@onderground-design.com
I think one of the main problems you might have had is that, from his response, it sounds like you pretty much b1tched at him instead of being polite. You guys (alot of you) need to learn that being polite will get more done (when dealing with vendors, other people, etc)...you can't e-thug someone and scare them through a computer...
Whoever wants to get on these guys, their email is: info@onderground-design.com
I think one of the main problems you might have had is that, from his response, it sounds like you pretty much b1tched at him instead of being polite. You guys (alot of you) need to learn that being polite will get more done (when dealing with vendors, other people, etc)...you can't e-thug someone and scare them through a computer...
Hello,
Just wanted to let you know that you made a "poor" business decision by appropriating a photo for the Kombat side skirts for the maxima without permission.
http://www.onderground-design.com/sh...en=139&ID=2018
Your company is now being derided and trashed on Maxima.org (the largest online Maxima site) and MaximaRacing.net - as well as a few others. I'm willing to bet that you will never get any orders again from the 51,000 members of Maxima.org.
This is what happens when you "steal" photos of Maxima.org members' cars and put them on your site without permission. It doesn't matter to anyone what "Canada law" is - it is simply a matter of courtesy, and your lack of courtesy will cost you alot of money in the long run.
It has also come to my attention that you have "stolen" other images from cardomain.com (also Maxima.org members).
Just wanted to let you know....these guys spend thousands of dollars a year on parts and "mods" and you won't be getting any of it. Enjoy!
regards,
JH
Just wanted to let you know that you made a "poor" business decision by appropriating a photo for the Kombat side skirts for the maxima without permission.
http://www.onderground-design.com/sh...en=139&ID=2018
Your company is now being derided and trashed on Maxima.org (the largest online Maxima site) and MaximaRacing.net - as well as a few others. I'm willing to bet that you will never get any orders again from the 51,000 members of Maxima.org.
This is what happens when you "steal" photos of Maxima.org members' cars and put them on your site without permission. It doesn't matter to anyone what "Canada law" is - it is simply a matter of courtesy, and your lack of courtesy will cost you alot of money in the long run.
It has also come to my attention that you have "stolen" other images from cardomain.com (also Maxima.org members).
Just wanted to let you know....these guys spend thousands of dollars a year on parts and "mods" and you won't be getting any of it. Enjoy!
regards,
JH
by the way, you might be interested to know that ALL worldwide domain names are controlled by the United States of America....therefore worlwide domains IIRC can be regulated by a US-based agency (under US law, I believe).
Suggest you file a complaint at:
http://www.ic3.gov/
Be sure to write your complaint coherently and in an "adult manner".
Suggest you file a complaint at:
http://www.ic3.gov/
Be sure to write your complaint coherently and in an "adult manner".
ill write an email too, LOL this guys goin down.
From: "Nick Schoendorf" <99maximase@gmail.com>
To: <info@onderground-design.com>
Subject: BANNED
Date: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 8:01 PM
To who this may concern,
It has come to the attention of maxima.org members that you have used a photo of his/her car without permission from the owner. Maxima.org is the largest maxima website in the united states where as the owners spend large sums of cash on their ride. Your site has been blacklisted as we all read your response to one of the org members. I have forwarded this info on my nissan website as well as four other nissan/maxima websites. This roughly covers 250,000+ maxima owners of all generations. I am shocked that someone wouldnt ask permission for use of someone elses property whether posted on the internet or not its not yours. You might be interested to know that ALL worldwide domain names are controlled by the United States of America....therefore worldwide domains are regulated by a US-based agency under US law. Next time ask first im sure he/she would have felt honnered to have the car featured but you overstepped your bounds. Canadian law plays no favorites here welcome to america.
regards
2 time maxima owner and loyalist
seriously everyone write this guy maxima owners unite !
From: "Nick Schoendorf" <99maximase@gmail.com>
To: <info@onderground-design.com>
Subject: BANNED
Date: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 8:01 PM
To who this may concern,
It has come to the attention of maxima.org members that you have used a photo of his/her car without permission from the owner. Maxima.org is the largest maxima website in the united states where as the owners spend large sums of cash on their ride. Your site has been blacklisted as we all read your response to one of the org members. I have forwarded this info on my nissan website as well as four other nissan/maxima websites. This roughly covers 250,000+ maxima owners of all generations. I am shocked that someone wouldnt ask permission for use of someone elses property whether posted on the internet or not its not yours. You might be interested to know that ALL worldwide domain names are controlled by the United States of America....therefore worldwide domains are regulated by a US-based agency under US law. Next time ask first im sure he/she would have felt honnered to have the car featured but you overstepped your bounds. Canadian law plays no favorites here welcome to america.
regards
2 time maxima owner and loyalist
seriously everyone write this guy maxima owners unite !
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You have pictures of my car that are stolen and you don't have permission to use on your site.
remove within 10 days or I will take further legal action against your company.
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This is what we got...
hmmmmmm....
Simply ask gently and we would cooperate..
we often remove pictures from our website for customers who asked for.. but they dont ask us that way!
Anyway, you should know that we didn't took the picture off cardomain, but from a picture library disk that we got from extreme dimension www.extremedimensions.com they are also using your car. We are only distributors. So I don't know where this picture come from.
Ask me to remove the picture in a correct way without screaming for legal action and it will be a pleasure to remove it. This is the only way you can get respect.
Thank you
remove within 10 days or I will take further legal action against your company.
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This is what we got...
hmmmmmm....
Simply ask gently and we would cooperate..
we often remove pictures from our website for customers who asked for.. but they dont ask us that way!Anyway, you should know that we didn't took the picture off cardomain, but from a picture library disk that we got from extreme dimension www.extremedimensions.com they are also using your car. We are only distributors. So I don't know where this picture come from.
Ask me to remove the picture in a correct way without screaming for legal action and it will be a pleasure to remove it. This is the only way you can get respect.
Thank you
Originally Posted by BadBlackMaxSL
That's BS. What an a-hole to say that he would have taken down the pics if you asked nicely. F that, he didn't ask nicely if he could copy them to his website. And he quotes Canadian Law??? You posted your pic in Texas, USA so I would guess that would be where the pic originated and that would supercede any Canadian law. Besides, Canada is full of a bunch of sissy, we should go up there and kick his sissy Canadian azz. Get a lawyer, is the a lawyer in the Org?
Get a lawyer, is the a lawyer in the Org?It's easy to see this guy is a moron, there is idiots all over the place, its not because you encounter a canadian ahole that all canadians are morons. First of all, you should verify the civil code in your area and see what the law says, if they state that the pics on a website is the property of the website owner than he stole the pics and there is no law in canada that authorise anyone to steale, end of story. Instead of getting nervous and frustrated, you should read instead of trying to threat others. I've just check on their website and they claim that all the pics belong to them, so you see that it doesn't make sense at all, he steale an image and then claim it's his, if that reasoning would be thrue, man I would start stealing Picasson and what else. Please guys dont start hating for such a stupid thing, pick up a lawyer and nail this guys. As for the sissy remark about canadian, if you want to come and kick our canadian **** you are welcome, I'm 6 foot 4 and 245lbs, and I would love to play with you, peace.Lol
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Canada is very big on privacy laws so I don't know if I believe the whole statement about using other people's pictures.
BadBlackMaxSL, just because that guy is Canadian doesn't mean we're all @sses. I personally haven't noticed any difference between Canadians and Americans which is why I would never make a comment like that.
BadBlackMaxSL, just because that guy is Canadian doesn't mean we're all @sses. I personally haven't noticed any difference between Canadians and Americans which is why I would never make a comment like that.
their reply to me: (Warning grammEr and speLing issues)
By the way.. im 100% cooperative .. We have removed I might said over 50 pictures last year of peoples that didnt wanted to be on our website.. but the way he requested it was
too rough and why would I be cooperative.. a pictures.. what's wrong with his car ??
You know.. we order this kit thru a manufacturer, extremedimensions.com
THEY use his car for promoting the kit
http://www.extremedimensions.com/2758.html
We simply took the pictures from extremedimensions.com pictures library on a disk they gave us.. we are just distributor
He should search a little bit.. there is more than 5000 distributor of extreme dimensions that got this pictures.. very funny heh ??
So we didnt took the pictures from cardomain, otherwize we would asked him to take it.. We don't have time to search on cardomain for pictures.. we sell body kits!
I wont remove the picture unless he send me a email and asked politely with reason why he wanted me to remove it..
After, it takes me 5 minutes to remove it..
He asked to remove me with this text
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You have pictures of my car that are stolen and you donot have permission to use on your site.
Please remove within 10 days or I will take further legal action against your company.
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What would be your reaction ?
Im not in business to make ennemy.. im just teaching him a life lesson
Thank you
too rough and why would I be cooperative.. a pictures.. what's wrong with his car ??
You know.. we order this kit thru a manufacturer, extremedimensions.com
THEY use his car for promoting the kit
http://www.extremedimensions.com/2758.html
We simply took the pictures from extremedimensions.com pictures library on a disk they gave us.. we are just distributor
He should search a little bit.. there is more than 5000 distributor of extreme dimensions that got this pictures.. very funny heh ??
So we didnt took the pictures from cardomain, otherwize we would asked him to take it.. We don't have time to search on cardomain for pictures.. we sell body kits!
I wont remove the picture unless he send me a email and asked politely with reason why he wanted me to remove it..
After, it takes me 5 minutes to remove it..
He asked to remove me with this text
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You have pictures of my car that are stolen and you donot have permission to use on your site.
Please remove within 10 days or I will take further legal action against your company.
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What would be your reaction ?
Im not in business to make ennemy.. im just teaching him a life lesson
Thank you
Originally Posted by doublea
As for the sissy remark about canadian, if you want to come and kick our canadian **** you are welcome, I'm 6 foot 4 and 245lbs, and I would love to play with you, peace.Lol
Just kiddin bro. Its all good. Doesn't anyone listen to Jim Rome's Sports show on the radio? There are always friendly border skirmishes between America and America's little brother to the north. I'm all about peace but it is fun to kid around a bit. I'm oot.
Originally Posted by doublea
Hey dude, I was kidding too, canadian are like american, we like to drink beer and smoke a big one once in a while.
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Talk about a mess.
1. This is a copyright issue since your pictures are copyrighted by you at the time you took the picture regardless if you filed for a copyright of your picture or not.
2. Because the offending party is in Quebec, a ****ed up province of Canada, you'll need to deal with Quebec laws, Canadian laws, and US laws to get this resolved.
3. Digimarc does not cost $10k per year unless you're watermarking several million pictures. I know, I use them for my stuff. http://digimarc.com/mypicturemarc/buy-now.asp
What to do.....
Find out who is the exact registrar of their domain and find out the terms and conditions for domain registration. Most registrars have a copyright clause in their terms that prevent the registrant from transmitting copyrighted images that do not belong to them.
Also, find out what who their hosting provider is and see if they have similar terms and conditions.
Finally, make a complaint with the copyright offices in Canada (http://www.cippic.ca/en/faqs-resources/copyright-law/) and the US.
I know we all hear this crap but I'll emphaize it again... make your complaint very clear and straight to the point. Point out facts, cite law if you have to. Be professional but be blunt. And tell them what you want done (pictures removed, shutdown, etc.).
Good luck!
1. This is a copyright issue since your pictures are copyrighted by you at the time you took the picture regardless if you filed for a copyright of your picture or not.
2. Because the offending party is in Quebec, a ****ed up province of Canada, you'll need to deal with Quebec laws, Canadian laws, and US laws to get this resolved.
3. Digimarc does not cost $10k per year unless you're watermarking several million pictures. I know, I use them for my stuff. http://digimarc.com/mypicturemarc/buy-now.asp
What to do.....
Find out who is the exact registrar of their domain and find out the terms and conditions for domain registration. Most registrars have a copyright clause in their terms that prevent the registrant from transmitting copyrighted images that do not belong to them.
Also, find out what who their hosting provider is and see if they have similar terms and conditions.
Finally, make a complaint with the copyright offices in Canada (http://www.cippic.ca/en/faqs-resources/copyright-law/) and the US.
I know we all hear this crap but I'll emphaize it again... make your complaint very clear and straight to the point. Point out facts, cite law if you have to. Be professional but be blunt. And tell them what you want done (pictures removed, shutdown, etc.).
Good luck!
Originally Posted by bobby123
You have pictures of my car that are stolen and you don't have permission to use on your site.
remove within 10 days or I will take further legal action against your company.
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This is what we got...
hmmmmmm....
Simply ask gently and we would cooperate.. we often remove pictures from our website for customers who asked for.. but they dont ask us that way!
Anyway, you should know that we didn't took the picture off cardomain, but from a picture library disk that we got from extreme dimension www.extremedimensions.com they are also using your car. We are only distributors. So I don't know where this picture come from.
Ask me to remove the picture in a correct way without screaming for legal action and it will be a pleasure to remove it. This is the only way you can get respect.
Thank you
remove within 10 days or I will take further legal action against your company.
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This is what we got...
hmmmmmm....
Simply ask gently and we would cooperate..
we often remove pictures from our website for customers who asked for.. but they dont ask us that way!Anyway, you should know that we didn't took the picture off cardomain, but from a picture library disk that we got from extreme dimension www.extremedimensions.com they are also using your car. We are only distributors. So I don't know where this picture come from.
Ask me to remove the picture in a correct way without screaming for legal action and it will be a pleasure to remove it. This is the only way you can get respect.
Thank you
They were very professional and more importantly very mature.
By the way this is not the only site I have put this up on (just the only one I sent you the link to) and the response is just as bad for you.
Response:
We're behind you on this man.
That is not a "life lesson" that is yours for the teaching. I would be pissed as well if my car were pictured somewhere that I did not know about and someone else had acted like it was their "property." It's great that you didn't do it intentionally, but this is something that you have no right to keep up on your site. If you have a problem with people getting pissed off since their cars are pictured on your site, you should contact your vendor, as we will probably be doing as well. This is NOT a situation where you have the right to keep the picture and he has to "ask nicely." You are legally obligated to remove the picture from your site, no matter how you got it. I suggest you do it next time and drop YOUR attitude--yours is no better than his, AND you are legally in the wrong.
Thanks,
Nathan
Thanks,
Nathan
