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Old Mar 6, 2006 | 06:11 PM
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crappy track times for a first timer

I went out there with my idle problem, or whatever is wrong. im guessing TPS, anyway, the car is completely choked until like 5 k rpm. i just feel it struggling and when it hits 5k it goes back to normal power. anyway, thats a different topic. this is what my times were like with the malfunction and having an intake/ypipe and catback.
R/T .225 .518 .902 .527 .100
60 2.429 2.457 2.472 2.411 2.418
330 6.822 6.800 6.914 6.811 6.792
1/8 10.379 10.496 10.613 10.486 10.483
MPH 70.87 67.04 67.98 68.04 67.07
1000 13.404 13.640 13.78 13.570 13.648
1/4 15.981 16.321 16.407 16.226 16.369
MPH 87.14 83.20 83.03 84.10 81.11


5 runs, not in order. but like i said, the max was DIEING right after launch, and then until 5k
Old Mar 8, 2006 | 07:05 AM
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Once you fix your car you'll get better times. You a auto?
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yeah im pretty sure i will lol. yes i'm an auto.
i've got intake,exhaust, y pipe. and lowered if that makes a difference with launching or whatever.
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yeah im pretty sure i will lol. yes i'm an auto.
i've got intake,exhaust, y pipe. and lowered if that makes a difference with launching or whatever.
Did you leave it in drive for all the runs? I went this weekend and ran 7 times and the first 3 I left it in drive and ran 15.7 everytime. When I powershifted I ran a 15.6, 15.1, and a 15.0. All I have is an intake and y-pipe.
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yes, left it in drive, im surprised you got better times. i thought it wasnt good for the transmission.
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yes, left it in drive, im surprised you got better times. i thought it wasnt good for the transmission.
I'm pretty sure its not. I only do it on the track to get good times. There are other auto maxes that does the same not sure of how fast their tranny died or if it ever has died. Also try disconnecting you DR. I had mine off for all my runs.
Old Mar 9, 2006 | 01:16 PM
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Yeah, I'm not sure about the power launches though man. They haven't netted me a faster time than launching just above idle (about 1,000rpm).

I have the standard TC/VB and I tend to bog down I think is the term off the line then pick up speed slowly. But I get a much cleaner and faster launch by giving it a little gas with the brake down so I get about 1,000rpm then standing on the gas pedal. 15.616s is my PB and my best power launch is 15.85s.

To each his own though. Glad to see another automatic racing...
Old Mar 9, 2006 | 01:21 PM
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I'm pretty sure its not. I only do it on the track to get good times. There are other auto maxes that does the same not sure of how fast their tranny died or if it ever has died. Also try disconnecting you DR. I had mine off for all my runs.
i have a switch hooked up for my DR although i didnt use it. i will next time.

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Yeah, I'm not sure about the power launches though man. They haven't netted me a faster time than launching just above idle (about 1,000rpm).

I have the standard TC/VB and I tend to bog down I think is the term off the line then pick up speed slowly. But I get a much cleaner and faster launch by giving it a little gas with the brake down so I get about 1,000rpm then standing on the gas pedal. 15.616s is my PB and my best power launch is 15.85s.

To each his own though. Glad to see another automatic racing....
yeah the power braking seems to just bog me down too, i know what you mean about just barely holding the gas down, kinda seems like there is a bit of a delay you can avoid, but if you push it too far your just gonna bog.
im hoping for a 14, seriously, or i'm gonna be kind of discouraged. especially cause i've beat cars that are supposedly "14" second cars, but i guess it all depends on the driver.
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Me too man.

Maybe you should go the 'increase your power' route and install a cold air intake system, 70mm high flow throttle body off of a 1996 Pathfinder and headers if money allows. The 00VI from an A34 VQ30DE-K would help big time but you also need to have some sort of aftermarket air flow management system like the Apexi SA/VAFC and that can cost.

Keep me informed please man - don't know of (m)any other automatic racers.
Old Mar 9, 2006 | 06:37 PM
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Me too man.

Maybe you should go the 'increase your power' route and install a cold air intake system, 70mm high flow throttle body off of a 1996 Pathfinder and headers if money allows. The 00VI from an A34 VQ30DE-K would help big time but you also need to have some sort of aftermarket air flow management system like the Apexi SA/VAFC and that can cost.

Keep me informed please man - don't know of (m)any other automatic racers.
im definently going for performance. I have a Place racing cold air intake, and y pipe, greddy sp2 catback. Nothing major. i have considered the PF TB and header its just one of those things that dont feel like priority at the moment. I am considering the 00vi....but just looking for a good price on one and everything. not exactly something i can just slap on.
there are some autos out there, look at jime, for one.
Old Mar 9, 2006 | 08:44 PM
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Me too man.

Maybe you should go the 'increase your power' route and install a cold air intake system, 70mm high flow throttle body off of a 1996 Pathfinder and headers if money allows. The 00VI from an A34 VQ30DE-K would help big time but you also need to have some sort of aftermarket air flow management system like the Apexi SA/VAFC and that can cost.

Keep me informed please man - don't know of (m)any other automatic racers.
Ok please allow me to correct a couple things. First off don't bother with the PF TB. Without an extended rev limit and/or variable intake it won't help you at all. And the PF TB is off the 2001 not the 1996, also the VQ30DE-K comes off the A33 not the A34. The piggybacks like the VAFC are used to control fuel after changing to larger injectors during the VI swap (although they do it indirectly by manipulating airflow readings). The swap can be done using existing injectors though. Several have done it that way.

Oh, and if you want to know about racing an auto, Jime is your #1 guy.
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im auto with the same mods except drop, and we have similar times...but i know something is wrong with my car too (mostly rim weight and exhaust leaks). Most of my runs are between 16.09 and 16.2 tho with a few outrageously wacky times like a 16.8 and 17.0, a bit quicker than most of urs if u leave out those BS numbers. Oh, and im not positive but i dont think 14s is what you should be shooting for without any other mods. atleast with my car 14s is definitely out of the question, im shooting for a darn 15.5 after my last track runs. (yeh i know) but then again ajcool said he ran a 15.0 with only intake and y, so who knows.
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I have always powershifted my auto at the track. In D it never even goes near the redline. If I powershift it I go all the way to the redline then click it into the next gear. I lost .3 in the 1/4 mile powershiifting my stock car. It would probably be .4-.5 if I do the DR mod.

The only con of powershifting is if you hit redline you lose. I did it on a lot of occasions and still beat my "leaving it in D" time.

Once you play with shiftpoints, tire pressure, and DR mod you could lose up to .6
Old Mar 10, 2006 | 04:34 AM
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im gonna experiment next time i go to the track. my main things right now are weight reduction (while keeping full interior) and im looking at exhaust cut outs.
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I have always powershifted my auto at the track. In D it never even goes near the redline. If I powershift it I go all the way to the redline then click it into the next gear. I lost .3 in the 1/4 mile powershiifting my stock car. It would probably be .4-.5 if I do the DR mod.

The only con of powershifting is if you hit redline you lose. I did it on a lot of occasions and still beat my "leaving it in D" time.

Once you play with shiftpoints, tire pressure, and DR mod you could lose up to .6
Yeah hitting redline is definatly not good. After I ran my 15.0 run I hit redline twice and ran a 15.7. Shift points and tire pressure are the next things I'm going to research. I didnt mess with my tires because I wasnt sure where it should have been. I know jime has something on here about shift points though.
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I don't want to start a new thread on this so here's my question. I know some tracks require all drivers to wear helmets. Does Englishtown Raceway Park have this requirement? Anything else I should know thats not too obvious?
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I don't want to start a new thread on this so here's my question. I know some tracks require all drivers to wear helmets. Does Englishtown Raceway Park have this requirement? Anything else I should know thats not too obvious?
how are we supposed to know YOUR tracks rules?
why dont you call them up?
i dont know what your asking with the second part.
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how are we supposed to know YOUR tracks rules?
why dont you call them up?
i dont know what your asking with the second part.
Englishtown is a popular track and i know a lot of people go there from this forum.
You don't have to reply if you don't fukcing understand a simple question.
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Well you kinda posted off topic, in my thread. Post in the regional forum for that kind of thing. Or like I said take the initiative to find out all alone?
your second vague question is what I didn't understand.
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Originally Posted by ajcool2
Yeah hitting redline is definatly not good. After I ran my 15.0 run I hit redline twice and ran a 15.7. Shift points and tire pressure are the next things I'm going to research. I didnt mess with my tires because I wasnt sure where it should have been. I know jime has something on here about shift points though.
Jime keeps him automatic in D instead of powershifting. Keeping it in D is good for bracket racing because the car will be super consistent. If you powershift you can make a mistake and get a different time. If you are going for the best 1/4 then powershift. If you are bracket racing then leave it in D to be consistent.
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when you powershift do you let your foot of the gas when you shift? or do you floor the gas throught the whole 1/4 mile?
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when you powershift do you let your foot of the gas when you shift? or do you floor the gas throught the whole 1/4 mile?
Floor the gas the whole way. I have even used nitrous while powershifting. I bought a window switch so when I hit the rev limiter while powershifting the nitrous didn't kill my motor. I had the nitrous turn off 250rpm before fuel cutoff.
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Hey I went to Atco in jerzy last night
My 1st run was a 16.373 1/4 with 2.598 60ft at 83.54 mph
My 2nd run was a 16.093 1/4 with a 2.512 60ft at 84.47mph
1st was without o/d and the 2nd with o/d on
I think these times are really slow for the mods, I have a injen cai, flow master muffler, y-pipe and 18 x 8.5 inch wheels
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does o/d off or on affect the et? it shouldn't rite? cuz wen i turned my o/d bak on i got better times by far too... ur second run looks exactly like mine, but my 60 is better, maybe the wheels??
Old Mar 11, 2006 | 09:30 AM
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Originally Posted by konak85
I don't want to start a new thread on this so here's my question. I know some tracks require all drivers to wear helmets. Does Englishtown Raceway Park have this requirement? Anything else I should know thats not too obvious?
yes, all drivers must wear helmets.
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I noticed during the 1st run with the o/d off the rpm's were alittle high at the end of the run and remember dyno slips on other max's
max's do not make alot of power at really high rpms so I cut the o/d back on
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I thought o/d only engaged 4th gear...
Old Mar 11, 2006 | 03:02 PM
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naw when I turn the o/d off the car will shift at higher rpms then with the o/d on
I only made 2 runs 1 with o/d and 1 without, next time I will pay more attention to the rpm's when goes thur the traps
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Personal Best - smoked by a Type-R (14.274s how do they run so fast?)

R/T: 1.014 (I know - I was shoked too...)
60': 2.396
1/8: 10.088
Mph: 71.84
1/4: 15.616
Mph: 87.34

Off idle - standard launch - overdrive on.

My best Power-Launch for the night was against Caesar's Chariot - 15.97s

Dandymax - didn't know that man - thanks for the heads up.
Old Mar 12, 2006 | 07:28 PM
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ok, just got back from the track, with more reasonable, yet mediocre times.
R/T .360 .381 .379 .569 .463
60 2.454 2.388 2.376 2.401 2.476
330 6.709 6.605 6.588 6.593 6.716
1/8 10.162 10.039 10.021 10.010 10.164
MPH 72.29 72.80 72.65 73.03 72.54
1000 13.129 12.988 12.979 12.957 13.117
1/4 15.673 15.508 15.514 15.474 15.641
MPH 87.29 89.18 87.62 89.31 88.92

those aren't in order by the way.

i know my car is still having some sort of idle problem, which seems to cause slight hesitation at sometimes, so whether the car was doing the best it could or not, im not really sure. it doesnt "choke" like it did last time but i think there is somethign more to be tweaked with whatever is wrong. this TPS positioning **** is tricky as hell.
i took my spare/jack/torque wrench out for some runs, but didnt see a huge difference. my reaction times aren't terrible, so i dont know what more i can do as a driver with these mods. i dont know why i was expecting something more, i thought high 14's would be attainable.
used the DR mod this time. also installed my fans for manual usage (jime's write up in the stickes..or on his homepage) awesome mod.
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Aren't the stock numbers for an auto 15.7 or something? Get your car in perfect tune dude
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Originally Posted by zander
Aren't the stock numbers for an auto 15.7 or something? Get your car in perfect tune dude
man, i am trying...i really am. i am going to order an 02 sensor today or tomorrow cause one of my front one's is out, but i dont think those effect performance too much, do they?
i am getting a little discouraged after the new TPS and tb/iacv clean. i can't seem to get the TPS properly adjusted and even then, im not sure that THAT is whats causing the idle problem.

(note to self - check on charging system.)
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I was having funny idle problems untill I cleaned the factory grounds and added some grounds. Car felt so much nicer after that.
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I was having funny idle problems untill I cleaned the factory grounds and added some grounds. Car felt so much nicer after that.
i'll try that after i replace the 02.
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The times got way better, your trap speed seems a little low, I got 15.3@91, I know I was good for a 15.0 with a decent launch on the auto....
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Originally Posted by s0ber
The times got way better, your trap speed seems a little low, I got 15.3@91, I know I was good for a 15.0 with a decent launch on the auto....
thanks, i agree. the trap does seem low. i thought you did a 5 speed swap? or maybe you were just talkniga bout it and i got confused
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Im 5spd now, just havnt gone to the track since the 00VI and 5spd
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do you have the link for jimes mods
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do you have the link for jimes mods
no.
i dont know, check his homepage or somethin? http://jime.homeip.net
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jime is mostly nitrous though. I wanna see what an NA auto is capable of, I think ceaser's in the 13s with 5spd and stock usim, so autos should come pretty close with all bolt ons, and jime's auto shiftpoint adjustment, that will be sweet.



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