what is a pop charger? same as an air intake? explain please

 

This the filter itself, leaveing the stock mid pipe. Cone filter , attaches to ur MAF and eliminates the top half of ur air box. No real power gain but a nice tone.

 

Aw man you should of checked the STICKIES beforehand. : Anyways Stillen and JWT makes these, they have a veolocity stack adapted to the MAF sensor.

 

sound really mean over 2,300 RPM nice growl. 15 min install time, may have
prblems with battery rubbing against filkter

incase u cared to know that stuff.

 

BTW, this setup has it's own mounting hardware so it is held up pretty good, and the filter is bigger than usual cone filters.

 

I bent the bracket to hold the filter closer to the shock tower, no more rubbing.
Jae

 

just put it in on thursday..... can't really feel the improvement in acceleration but sounds amazing at high rpm's.

 

Actually if anything, you will lose power in acceleration espeically low end.

 

From experiance I will say short ram blows! I had this pop-charger on my car, wow my car felt so much slower. Not wanting to waste my money, I ordered an ebay CAI for 30 bucks, and used an adapter to fit the pop-charger at the end of the ebay pipe. Now I got a CAI for cheap, with a nice filter.

 

Is there really that much difference that can be felt with CAI? From what i read and researched on the org i had an idea that all the intakes give a prettty small power gains, ram gives you high end, CAI low rpm and hybrid mid range power increases.

 

Perfect...good research!!!

 

Anyone have dyno charts to prove this loss of low end power?

 

From stock to the short ram and to CAI I didnt feel a difference in anything but sound. I raced a stock 00 max and lost. Then I upgraded to a y-pipe and a CAI, the 00 max upped to a short ram intake and a y-pipe as well. Now I can beat the 00 max. Wierd huh, but true. More reason for me to think short rams blow... And its common sense, short rams sucking in engine bay temperature air, CAI is getting fender temperature, or whatever it is outside pretty much.

 

Yes there is, search for a thread that has a stock midpipe vs. a Frankencar midpipe.

 

heres my 02 cents. just go buy a k&n flat panel filter and hack you air box. took my 5 min to cut that suka up with a hack saw...

 

well from dyno's (and dont ask me for them who seriously keeps dynos in their pockets or on their comp? well I dont anyways...) I have a cattman racing intake which you cut a hole and so on and the filter goes inside the fender well and gets cooler air, well at least a lot cooler than engine bay air , its proven effective and man that roar gets me going. good luck with it though.

 

There was a dyno that compared midpipes, like was stated earlier. There is no dyno that I know of floating around that compares a completely stock intake system to one with just a popcharger attached to the stock midpipe/resonator. It is just guesswork whether a popcharger will add power or whether it will simply take some low end power and transfer it up high. The stickies says that it does cause low end power loss but I am skeptical until I see some proof. I keep going back and forth on whether to get a popcharger or not. From what I have gathered, the only concensus on these is that it will make the car louder.

 

great way to lower your horsepower due to the hot air its gonna suck in. true cai is the way to go.

 

If you are automatic you WILL notice a loss in low end power with a popcharger.

 

many pros and cons... I have a 5spd and put stillen to get high end power.... willing to upgrade to CAI if find enough evidence of hp increases....

 

Sorry to tell you, but your Injen isn't a CAI either. It's not sucking in cold air.

 

Haha, I noticed that too, it's not "true" unless it goes into the fenderwell.

 

Doesn't have to get the air from the fender for it to be cold. Use the picture I posted in the other intake thread farther down as a clue to what I'm doing

 

Aight so i hear you guys that only "true" CAI's wont lose low end power, actually gain some high end power and have a nice tone. But in the fenderwell? Wouldnt your front tires fling up dirt/water and stuff at the filter. And i live in MA so the weather is pretty bad , i mean isnt there a risk of hydrolocking your engine if you where to go over a big puddle. As far as im concerned no performance part is worth blowing your motor over. Am I right or are true CAI's more of climate related mod?

 

The filter doesn't sit where you're thinking it sits. It sits BEHIND the fenderwell lining, not near the actual wheel/tire. As far as how high it sits, from what I can tell it's no lower than the factory snorkel hole on the side of the stock air box.

 

Interesting, and if it sits at the same height as the factory snorkel, than the risk of drawing water into your intake is the same as using a factory filter. Aight, im almost convinced to get rid of my k&n panel and put on a full "true" CIA, not in injen one tho right? where can i purchase a true CIA?

 

Place racing is the answer the my question i believe, I think im about to order mine from ebay, it says that there is no problem with driving threw water unless it is more then 10 inches, not bad, might take it off for next winter

 

Yeah, if you want cheap just go with a PR knock-off from ebay.

 

Just make sure you buy a different filter, those Ebay ones suck.

 

Hey I just posted this in a different thread but I figured that having it in two might help get goods answers. Is the bomz cold air intake the same style as the PR? Cause I found one for $32 on ebay. I'll probably put a k&n filter on but would that setup b ok?

 

I know of quite a few people actually, myself included.

 

Yes, it is the same style. Make sure you're getting the auction that includes both pipes and not just the short one. I would suggest using the stock midpipe rather than the metal one they supply, though. Just use the longer, curved pipe for "CAI" purposes.

 

Ok sounds good. I'll post the page that I found when I decide to go for it.

 

sweet do you have the dyno for a PRCAI I would like to see that although I already have one and love it; so in turn its completely irrelevant...

 

did u order ur prcai right from cattmanperformance.com, and do u use a k&n filter or the one that came wiht it

 

yes I ordered from Cattman but he sold me his very last PRCAI, what you'd be getting now is a Cattman CAI (same thing, but alot more expensive) a little better quality clamps and MAF adaptor. On long tube CAI's you want to use a funnel filter like the monsterflow to avoid any turbulence in the tube (the internal cone/ prevents this unlike the k&n which only sucks from the sides) without it, it will cause your MAF to get weird readings at certain times/ RPM's (proven fact) plus the monsterflow filter has a silicone based tacking agent vs. petroleum based. Therefore preserving your MAF that much longer from oily residues clogging it up eventually, but that rarely happens to my knowledge.

 

i see, i think im goin to order my intake from cattman. It is alot of money but i can spare it for a quality intake, it will go well with my new y-pipe.

 

yup it will work out nicely btw, I just realized you have the same car, color and everything as me and will have identical mods. (Ie. y-pipe and true CAI) Man thats weird you're 18 as well... sry off topic my bad.