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Old Jun 23, 2001 | 04:50 PM
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Executive Summary:

This is a pre-sale (sort of like a group deal) announcement for 10 complete sets of Cattman Performance 2nd generation Coilover Suspensions, and 5 gen1 --> gen2 upgrade kits (upgrades existing gen1 kits to gen2 specs); pre-sale prices reduced from $1800 to $1600 and $800 to $700, respectively.

Parts sold first come first serve, price returns to retail when these units are gone.

Price is not dependent on minimum number ordered and will be honored for all orders received.

First units are expected to begin shipping July 2, in order received. These suckers are heavy, flat rate shipping is $35.

[Distributor inquiries welcome in a couple of months.]

++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Some Details:

I'm pleased to say that finally, at along last, we're bringing the second generation Cattman Performance Coilover Suspension to market, with a projected ship date of July 2. This will be available as a complete set or as an upgrade for the gen1 coilover design (brings it up to full gen2 specs). The upgrade kit basically replaces (and adds several new features to) everything above the primary springs, and includes the very expensive Eibach ERS take-up springs in the front that lock all of those parts quietly together.

I'm doing an introductory pre-sale on these, offering discounted prices for the first 10 full coilover sets, reduced from $1800 to $1600, and the first 5 upgrade sets (marked down from $800 to $700). I know they're not cheap, but whether through an examination of the actual costs involved, or comparison with (truly) equivalent upper-end suspensions for other cars (there are no equivalent parts for the Maxima), they are very reasonable. [Ask a good machinist to estimate the CNC time on the billet aluminum camber plate I've provided a picture of, which is even more intricately machined underneath.]

Everything is included, from the very sophisticated overtower front camber plates to all of the necessary mounting bolts and hardware. Camber plates are always sold seperately from coilover systems, but I include them because 1) I believe they are a necessary part of a good coilover system, and 2) the KYB AGXs I use will not interface with the stock top mounts and why supply an alternate fixed mount when it'd might as well be adjustable for camber.

The second generation design responds effectively to everything that could or should be changed from the original design. The performance capabilities are improved, as well as their being much more "streetable". The pings, pops and rattling inherent in the far simpler gen1 racing design are basically gone, due to the inclusion of Thorsten bearings in the front, unloading the weight off the monoballs (now Teflon lined), constant upwards and downwards pressure from the new take-up springs, and a complete redesign of the rear top mounts. The potential for breakage of the rear strut rod, where the threaded portion is attached, is effectively eliminated because the strut rod is now mounted to a rotating monoball instead of the fixed-position stock upper mount (if the car was lowered too much with the previous design, that fixed upper mount would not allow for the increased angle and would basically snap the threaded portion of the rod off sideways -- it now pivots with the monoball).

Raising the top mounts by over an inch in the front and rear is a tremendous advantage. It absolutely eliminates the possibility of bottoming out the struts -- its now physically impossible, even at full coil bind. It also provides more effective strut travel at a lower ride height, and better centers the travel of the piston in the strut body so that its not just using the bottom range because of lowering. I could go on, but not here...

Right now, the only issue regarding fitment to the gen5s is checking the bolt alignment on the front mount. They either fit, or we slightly alter the jig and make a gen5 version. I don't expect this to be an issue because the gen1 coilovers have already been fitted to a gen5. But because the solution (if one is needed at all) is undetermined, its too early to say these are ready for the gen5. Whatever's involved, it won't take much to resolve, we just have to get a car in to check it (phoenix area) and I expect to accomplish that over the next few days. [If this question and the immediate availability of a gen5 verson is not resolved during the term of this pre-sale, I'll be pleased to offer a seperate introductory sale later for the gen5.]

That's it, hope everyone enjoys this new system as much as I do, it really makes daily driving a pleasure. Barry Chafin's got the new design on his car -- as the upgrade kit -- and he's racing Solo 2 today, so we'll see how he does.

Please do not hesitate to contact me privately (cattmanperformance@earthlink.net) with any questions you may have, I will probably respond more quickly to direct email. For the time being, the discount will be limited to these first 10 full, and 5 upgrade sets, so if you want to save a couple hundred bucks, here's your best opportunity. Call as early in the week as possible (800.795.1513, 8-5 MST, M-F). [Counter to our regular policy, because this is essentially a group deal, credit cards will be charged at the time of order, rather than the time of shipment.]

Brian C. Catts
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Old Jun 23, 2001 | 04:58 PM
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awsome!
Fits the 5th gen right?
Old Jun 23, 2001 | 05:12 PM
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what part of 5 gen 1 didn't you understand?
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awsome!
Fits the 5th gen right?
Old Jun 23, 2001 | 05:36 PM
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what part of 5 gen 1 didn't you understand?
Perhaps yongjun understood better than you, my friend. In this case, 5 refers to the number five, not 5th Gen.
Old Jun 23, 2001 | 08:20 PM
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I'll take a set for my 2k. Mark me down save me a set... I'll call monday.
Old Jun 23, 2001 | 08:36 PM
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I want to be clear about the gen5s...

I know my message above is long -- sorry, that's the Cattman style -- but please read thoroughly regarding the "tentative" availability of a gen5 application. The issues are minor, but I've learned not to promise something just because I know it can be done -- I wait until I have done it.

Feel free to make an order for a gen5, but do so knowing that I'll put a hold on a coilover set for you, but not charge your card until I can be confident that we have a version that is ready the gen5 car. I'm not going to hold up the current production for lack of confirmation that we're ready to slap a set on a gen5 -- if that isn't determined by the time the sale group is released, they'll go to the gen4 buyers who have signed up. If that's the way things work out, I've committed to having a second sale for the gen5 group.

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Originally posted by max'n out
I'll take a set for my 2k. Mark me down save me a set... I'll call monday.
Old Jun 23, 2001 | 10:47 PM
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AHHHHH.... a moment of silence from upgraded coils...
Old Jun 24, 2001 | 03:25 AM
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Re: I want to be clear about the gen5s...

Originally posted by Cattman
I know my message above is long -- sorry, that's the Cattman style -- but please read thoroughly regarding the "tentative" availability of a gen5 application. The issues are minor, but I've learned not to promise something just because I know it can be done -- I wait until I have done it.

Feel free to make an order for a gen5, but do so knowing that I'll put a hold on a coilover set for you, but not charge your card until I can be confident that we have a version that is ready the gen5 car. I'm not going to hold up the current production for lack of confirmation that we're ready to slap a set on a gen5 -- if that isn't determined by the time the sale group is released, they'll go to the gen4 buyers who have signed up. If that's the way things work out, I've committed to having a second sale for the gen5 group.

Brian C. Catts
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What are the differences between your KYB AGXs shocks than the ones that are available for 4th gen Maximas already??

They are like $440 for a set of 4!!!!
Old Jun 24, 2001 | 03:32 AM
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Originally posted by Cattman
Executive Summary:

This is a pre-sale (sort of like a group deal) announcement for 10 complete sets of Cattman Performance 2nd generation Coilover Suspensions, and 5 gen1 --> gen2 upgrade kits (upgrades existing gen1 kits to gen2 specs); pre-sale prices reduced from $1800 to $1600 and $800 to $700, respectively.

Parts sold first come first serve, price returns to retail when these units are gone.

Price is not dependent on minimum number ordered and will be honored for all orders received.

First units are expected to begin shipping July 2, in order received. These suckers are heavy, flat rate shipping is $35.

[Distributor inquiries welcome in a couple of months.]

++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Some Details:

I'm pleased to say that finally, at along last, we're bringing the second generation Cattman Performance Coilover Suspension to market, with a projected ship date of July 2. This will be available as a complete set or as an upgrade for the gen1 coilover design (brings it up to full gen2 specs). The upgrade kit basically replaces (and adds several new features to) everything above the primary springs, and includes the very expensive Eibach ERS take-up springs in the front that lock all of those parts quietly together.

I'm doing an introductory pre-sale on these, offering discounted prices for the first 10 full coilover sets, reduced from $1800 to $1600, and the first 5 upgrade sets (marked down from $800 to $700). I know they're not cheap, but whether through an examination of the actual costs involved, or comparison with (truly) equivalent upper-end suspensions for other cars (there are no equivalent parts for the Maxima), they are very reasonable. [Ask a good machinist to estimate the CNC time on the billet aluminum camber plate I've provided a picture of, which is even more intricately machined underneath.]

Everything is included, from the very sophisticated overtower front camber plates to all of the necessary mounting bolts and hardware. Camber plates are always sold seperately from coilover systems, but I include them because 1) I believe they are a necessary part of a good coilover system, and 2) the KYB AGXs I use will not interface with the stock top mounts and why supply an alternate fixed mount when it'd might as well be adjustable for camber.

The second generation design responds effectively to everything that could or should be changed from the original design. The performance capabilities are improved, as well as their being much more "streetable". The pings, pops and rattling inherent in the far simpler gen1 racing design are basically gone, due to the inclusion of Thorsten bearings in the front, unloading the weight off the monoballs (now Teflon lined), constant upwards and downwards pressure from the new take-up springs, and a complete redesign of the rear top mounts. The potential for breakage of the rear strut rod, where the threaded portion is attached, is effectively eliminated because the strut rod is now mounted to a rotating monoball instead of the fixed-position stock upper mount (if the car was lowered too much with the previous design, that fixed upper mount would not allow for the increased angle and would basically snap the threaded portion of the rod off sideways -- it now pivots with the monoball).

Raising the top mounts by over an inch in the front and rear is a tremendous advantage. It absolutely eliminates the possibility of bottoming out the struts -- its now physically impossible, even at full coil bind. It also provides more effective strut travel at a lower ride height, and better centers the travel of the piston in the strut body so that its not just using the bottom range because of lowering. I could go on, but not here...

Right now, the only issue regarding fitment to the gen5s is checking the bolt alignment on the front mount. They either fit, or we slightly alter the jig and make a gen5 version. I don't expect this to be an issue because the gen1 coilovers have already been fitted to a gen5. But because the solution (if one is needed at all) is undetermined, its too early to say these are ready for the gen5. Whatever's involved, it won't take much to resolve, we just have to get a car in to check it (phoenix area) and I expect to accomplish that over the next few days. [If this question and the immediate availability of a gen5 verson is not resolved during the term of this pre-sale, I'll be pleased to offer a seperate introductory sale later for the gen5.]

That's it, hope everyone enjoys this new system as much as I do, it really makes daily driving a pleasure. Barry Chafin's got the new design on his car -- as the upgrade kit -- and he's racing Solo 2 today, so we'll see how he does.

Please do not hesitate to contact me privately (cattmanperformance@earthlink.net) with any questions you may have, I will probably respond more quickly to direct email. For the time being, the discount will be limited to these first 10 full, and 5 upgrade sets, so if you want to save a couple hundred bucks, here's your best opportunity. Call as early in the week as possible (800.795.1513, 8-5 MST, M-F). [Counter to our regular policy, because this is essentially a group deal, credit cards will be charged at the time of order, rather than the time of shipment.]

Brian C. Catts
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HOw are yours compare to JIC coil-Overs systems available for A31/A32 maximas?? They are only $1500 bucks and are 15ways adjustable.

KYB AGXs????are you sure they can be used on coil-overs????
Old Jun 24, 2001 | 04:58 PM
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hard to say...

Since I don't know anyone with JIC coilovers on their Maxima and, I suspect, that few people in the U.S. do, it would be difficult to say how they compare to anything.

Just as it should be difficult for you to talk trash about my new system on this and other forums when you have no knowledge or firsthand familiarity with the new system at all.

What I do know is that whether JIC makes an application for the Maxima or not, or whatever the price, the features we include, like billet aluminum camber plates and raised overtower mounts are not a part of their suspension package.

You have also questioned the suitability of the KYB AGX struts for coilover applications. Your familiarity with this must be limited, the AGX series is extremely popular as a coilover strut, known as a more affordable alternative to the $300/corner GAB. The fact that this is a cross-over application takes nothing away from the capabilities of this suspension; the first generation coilover design, for all its rough edges, raced very well and thoroughly demonstrated the suitability of this strut for the Maxima.

The second generation design built on what we learned in the first design and addresses everything I'm aware of that needed "smoothing out", using some fairly advanced design elements and components.

It really baffles me why someone would be instantly critical of something like this (some of his other posts have been quite negative -- "Cattman stuff sux" -- nice). If high quality, effective performance parts were widely available for the Maxima, I wouldn't be doing this. Not sure what this guy's grudge is, but criticizing something he cannot possibly have knowledge of is over the top.

Brian C. Catts
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Originally posted by MaxTuner


HOw are yours compare to JIC coil-Overs systems available for A31/A32 maximas?? They are only $1500 bucks and are 15ways adjustable.

KYB AGXs????are you sure they can be used on coil-overs????
Old Jun 24, 2001 | 11:12 PM
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Re: hard to say...

Originally posted by Cattman
Since I don't know anyone with JIC coilovers on their Maxima and, I suspect, that few people in the U.S. do, it would be difficult to say how they compare to anything.

Just as it should be difficult for you to talk trash about my new system on this and other forums when you have no knowledge or firsthand familiarity with the new system at all.

What I do know is that whether JIC makes an application for the Maxima or not, or whatever the price, the features we include, like billet aluminum camber plates and raised overtower mounts are not a part of their suspension package.

You have also questioned the suitability of the KYB AGX struts for coilover applications. Your familiarity with this must be limited, the AGX series is extremely popular as a coilover strut, known as a more affordable alternative to the $300/corner GAB. The fact that this is a cross-over application takes nothing away from the capabilities of this suspension; the first generation coilover design, for all its rough edges, raced very well and thoroughly demonstrated the suitability of this strut for the Maxima.

The second generation design built on what we learned in the first design and addresses everything I'm aware of that needed "smoothing out", using some fairly advanced design elements and components.

It really baffles me why someone would be instantly critical of something like this (some of his other posts have been quite negative -- "Cattman stuff sux" -- nice). If high quality, effective performance parts were widely available for the Maxima, I wouldn't be doing this. Not sure what this guy's grudge is, but criticizing something he cannot possibly have knowledge of is over the top.

Brian C. Catts
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If high quality, effective performance parts were widely available for the Maxima, I wouldn't be doing this. Not sure what this guy's grudge is, but criticizing something he cannot possibly have knowledge of is over the top.

**I agree with you 100%, that's why you are still in business, no offense, but my cousins own performance shops in Taiwan and they have seen or worked on so many performance brands from Europe/ Japan that it's not even funny, (imitation everywhere) nobody even tunes up maxima/cefiro in Taiwan. That's why small businesses still can survive.
Anyway, good luck on your new system.
Old Jun 25, 2001 | 09:35 AM
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Re: Re: hard to say...

Originally posted by MaxTuner


If high quality, effective performance parts were widely available for the Maxima, I wouldn't be doing this. Not sure what this guy's grudge is, but criticizing something he cannot possibly have knowledge of is over the top.

**I agree with you 100%, that's why you are still in business, no offense, but my cousins own performance shops in Taiwan and they have seen or worked on so many performance brands from Europe/ Japan that it's not even funny, (imitation everywhere) nobody even tunes up maxima/cefiro in Taiwan. That's why small businesses still can survive.
Anyway, good luck on your new system.
Cattman products may be expensive for some, but you get your money worth! ^____^

HELLO MaxTuner,
WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME YOU'VE GONE BACK TO TAIWAN????? BRO?
Can you please re-phrase this: "Nobody even tunes up maxima/cefiro in TAIWAN"

The Cefiro's in TW are MODIFIED everywhere through out TAIWAN... You should go and check them out.

SY~
Old Jun 25, 2001 | 10:07 AM
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Re: Re: hard to say...

MrMaxTuner "...nobody even tunes up maxima/cefiro in Taiwan. That's why small businesses still can survive."

Not for nothin' MrMaxTuner, Cefiros (Asian vers. of Maxima) have a respectable share in Taiwan's aftermarket performance/cosmetic products for the past 3-5 years

... as usual, thanks to Brian for his continuing efforts to bring forth innovative, progressive products such as Gen 2 coilovers...
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