The toyo has a 300 treadwear rating and the Pirelli has a 400. Both are W rated. Anyone have experience with either or BOTH of these tires? I'd like your thoughts if you have.

 

I've had the M+S and are currently on the 4's, i liked the M+S but love the 4's. The Proxes has better traction--especially in wet conditions, less road noise and much deeper tread depth. So far the Proxes are also holding up better than my old M+S'. Treadwear ratings really are only good when comparing between tires from the same manufacturer.

 

The proxes have less road noise? Thats surprising...so then why are they so much cheaper? about 27/tire cheaper than the Pirellis.

 

ive had the pirellis for another car in 215/35/18. they had awesome traction in the rain and dry, and not much road noise. those tires would take a beating in my 240 and still hold up

 

I have the Toyo Proxes 4's on my WRX.Love them.Great all season tire.I never had the Pirelli PZero's but know peolpe with them.They said it a great tire too.You can't go wrong with either one.

 

The difference is in the sidewall. The Pirellis have a decent sidewall. The Toyos have toilet paper.

I can agree, though, that the Toyos grip very well, especially in the rain.

 

Sidewall stiffness is a very important part of steering response and turn in...

 

...and cornering stability, and transitional response, and performance at the limit.

 

Pzero's are very good tires. I can't compare to the Toyo's but IMO they are quiet and sticky. But too pricey

 

Bridgestone RE 960 A/S & Yokohama Advan S4's.... check tirerack reviews
I got 4 of the B'stones for $820 mount/bal etc from my local dealer ..... fantastic in the rain and much quiter than the Badyear RSA's


245-45-18

 

Price is not really an indicator of performance. The M+S were silent when new but got noticeably noisier after the 10k mile mark and kept that way until about 45k when i replaced them.

In my opinion, having used both tires, the sidewall stiffness--or lack thereof--is pretty similar, however to the credit of both i'm comparing 235/45 M+S with 245/45 Proxes 4's.

 

I beg to differ I live in NYC I got POTHOLES in my lawn
in my experience pirellis bubble too quik the toyos is what most of my rim shop sells & recomend hands down it was NO#1 for cornering in Consumers Report for like 2 or 3 years . Oh god the handle is insane with a set of T1-s
or the newer model R1s

 

But T1's and R1's are not the Proxes4.

 

i got a set of proxes 4 on my 02. Grips like a ****, in rain and everything. best all season tires i got so far.

 

I'm currently running Proxy's 235/35/19. They've met the expectations for what they are. I've put around 10k on them, and now there is more noticable tire noise. This should be expected since they have an aggressive tread which fall in the catagory of an All Season tire. Other than that these are an excellent tire. I'll have give it hands down to Toyo.

 

I originally went from my stock Potenza RE90s(?) to the Proxes4s and it was a HUGE difference. The Toyo's handled so much better. I'm about to go to some Nexens as soon as I get them installed but I really loved the Toyo's.

FWIW, I have -0- needs for anything-Pirelli so buying a tire that was $30+/tire is a big negative.

 

I might have to take back some of what I said about the Proxes 4's sidewalls, because it seems their sidewall stiffness depends GREATLY on size. If you get it in a 40 series size (e.g. 245/40/18), the sidewall is more than firm enough. The 45 series tires seem to have a small section of the sidewall that is a little softer, but they're still fine. The 50 series sidewalls are total mush -- as in, it honestly feels like rubber without any reinforcement -- and it seems that anything above that isn't much better.

It makes sense when I think about it... You obviously need a lot of reinforcement on a low-profile tire, but someone who is going for a higher profile (50 series and up) probably does not have handling as a high priority, so it'd be better to go with a softer sidewall for a smoother ride.

I should also add that the Proxes 4s will totally murder the Pirellis in snow.

 

I am concerned with noise a little bit because the NITTO 450's that are on the car now are HORRIBLE, when I say horrible I mean just ridiculous. I do not want another tire thats going to roar like these ****ty nittos.

 

You're in luck! I used to have these in my old car and the Proxes, even the Pirelli's are nowhere near as loud as those Nitto's.

 

yes but they share the same side wall & IMO the difference between T1'S & P4 : T1s are like bubble yum ( super stick to everything it touches)
P4 are like double mint (after half hour loose flavor but still gets job done)

 

Um... No they don't. They share the tread compound, not the sidewall.

 

Thats great news, the Nitto's sound like damn 4x4 mud tires. It really is atrocious.

 

No kidding. I'd put them in the same league as the Sumitomo HTR+.

 

So would most say...

Proxes4
T1-s
R1s

Which one is the "best?"

 

What the heck is an R1s?

I'm assuming you meant T1-R. If that's the case... the T1-R is better than the T1-S, and both are better than the Proxes 4 on dry and wet roads. In the winter, the Proxes 4 is great and the T1-S and T1-R are useless. Makes sense, since the Proxes 4 is an all-season tire, whereas the T1-S and T1-R are summer tires.

 

why are the toyo's so much harder to find than the Pirelli? Found one local dealer that can get the toyos and get them fairly cheap

 

Tons of cars come from the factory with Pirellis. Virtually none come with Toyos.

Also, Toyo's biggest products are the Proxes 4, T1-S, T1-R, and RA-1, mostly in low-profile sizes. Those are all small-market tires, and whereas most people will not notice the extra performance they will definitely notice the faster wear. Pirelli's biggest products are the P6 Four Seasons, P-Zero Rosso, and P-Zero Corsa, in sizes that most cars come with. Those tires come on a LOT of cars, and they work well on a lot of cars as well (especially the P6 Four Seasons).

 

If buying through the net or phone is ok, i would suggest EdgeRacing.com - they're based out of Florida. Last set of P4's i got from them took about 3 days to get to TX. Price is pretty good to boot!

 

Are the Proxes 4 goin to wear significantly faster than the PZERO Nero M+S? If so how many miles could/shoudl I expect out of the Proxes assuming I dont rape the **** out of my car all the time (and I dont)?

 

Over time, the P-Zero Nero M+S loses its tread features until all that's left are the radial grooves. The Proxes 4, on the other hand, keeps its tread pattern until it's totally bald. It won't necessarily last any longer, but it's better if you're concerned about wear because it retains more of its performance as it wears down.

As far as how many miles you can expect... I'm pretty harsh on my tires and I got something like 20k out of my Proxes 4s. FWIW.

 

20k miles if you drive hard isn't bad, if I can get 25k thats three years...they'll start to dry rot in 3 years time.

 

How do these compare against conti extreme contact?

 

From everything I can tell both of these are better tires than the conti's. I just ordered the toyo's, found a place locally that could get them for a reasonable price.

 

yea I found a place next w/ a great price next to me also.

 

Is that right? If so do tell, I have 18's from a GB comming and am really looking foward to fitting them with Proxy4's FTW

 

Is that right? If so do tell, I have 18's from a GB comming and am really looking foward to fitting them with Proxes4's FTW

 

Maybe in dry/wet traction, but not in the snow.

 

I dotn plan to b driving that max in the snow anyway, I will hijack my moms car, lol, is that ur pic under ur name?